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What's more puzzling is why anti-trump people expect pro-trump to share in their anti-trump beliefs, views and attitudes.
Just hope beyond hope that they will wake up and actually see what's going on? Become "woke", if you will.
 
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What's more puzzling is why anti-trump people expect pro-trump to share in their anti-trump beliefs, views and attitudes.
If the beliefs are based on facts, we want them to at least acknowledge the reality.
 
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If the beliefs are based on facts, we want them to at least acknowledge the reality.
Pro-trump people disagree with what anti-trump people call facts. That's how viwes, attitudes and beliefs work. Side A sees what side B claims as nonsense, distortions and lies that side B has been brainwashed into accepting. And vice versa.
 
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What's more puzzling is why anti-trump people expect pro-trump to share in their anti-trump beliefs, views and attitudes.
I expect it to happen for many, but too late.

Such is the way with "conservatives". Remember when they were all hot for the Iraq war? And then sloooowly came around to their no new useless wars position. Too late to make a difference tho.

Somewhere down the road many maga people will look back and be like what was I thinking?
 
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Pro-trump people disagree with what anti-trump people call facts.
There is only one reality. The one we all share. Facts are things that accord with reality.
 
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There is only one reality. The one we all share. Facts are things that accord with reality.
That depends on what the so-called facts are about and what they're based on.
 
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I expect it to happen for many, but too late.

Such is the way with "conservatives". Remember when they were all hot for the Iraq war? And then sloooowly came around to their no new useless wars position. Too late to make a difference tho.

Somewhere down the road many maga people will look back and be like what was I thinking?
Who among the popular commentators for conservatives have taken a useless war position? I'd be more interested in what they're saying about it, than what a CNN poll reports as far as gauging the attitude of conservatives.
 
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What's more puzzling is why anti-trump people expect pro-trump to share in their anti-trump beliefs, views and attitudes.
I think a lot of the anti-Trump people would settle for the pro-Trump people applying their standards consistently instead of turning around and amplifying everything they said they didn't like.
 
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I think a lot of the anti-Trump people would settle for the pro-Trump people applying their standards consistently instead of turning around and amplifying everything they said they didn't like.
That complaint goes both ways.
 
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That complaint goes both ways.
I'm sure it does, but the flip-flopping in the Democratic party is neither as extreme nor as quick. If the pro-Trumpers actually cared about corruption to the degree that they claimed they did with regards to Hunter Biden (who, at most, leveraged his name to land some gigs), they wouldn't be so accepting of Trump and his family blatantly profiting off the office. They're selling $12,000 commemorative coins based on events he's staging as president:

Usually, when I see Dems going back on things, they twist themselves in knots trying to figure out a way to justify it, whereas the Trump crowd doesn't seem to notice or give it a second thought.
 
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I'm sure it does, but the flip-flopping in the Democratic party is neither as extreme nor as quick. If the pro-Trumpers actually cared about corruption to the degree that they claimed they did with regards to Hunter Biden (who, at most, leveraged his name to land some gigs), they wouldn't be so accepting of Trump and his family blatantly profiting off the office. They're selling $12,000 commemorative coins based on events he's staging as president:

Usually, when I see Dems going back on things, they twist themselves in knots trying to figure out a way to justify it, whereas the Trump crowd doesn't seem to notice or give it a second thought.
If anti-trump people really cared about corruption they wouldn't have defended Hunter Biden or pretended nothing happened. See what I mean?
 
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If anti-trump people really cared about corruption they wouldn't have defended Hunter Biden or pretended nothing happened. See what I mean?
Not really. The real Hunter stuff was totally overwhelmed by a mountain of lies from "Biden-crime-family" enemies. Most of the "defense" we heard was just people trying to dig out from that avalanche of falsehoods.

Its the inverse with the Trump situation, unfortunately for America.
 
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Not really. The real Hunter stuff was totally overwhelmed by a mountain of lies from "Biden-crime-family" enemies. Most of the "defense" we heard was just people trying to dig out from that .

Its the inverse with the Trump situation, unfortunately for America.
Sounds pretty subjective to me.
 
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Sounds pretty subjective to me.
Yeah it would take a novella to unpack it for you in a well documented way. Just you having noted my assertion is enough for now.
 
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Who among the popular commentators for conservatives have taken a useless war position? I'd be more interested in what they're saying about it, than what a CNN poll reports as far as gauging the attitude of conservatives.
Loads of maga people right here were hoping for the much more isolationist position Trump said he supported. They also cheered for Tulsi as DNI for that exact reason. As for documenting the extent of all this, once again, Im ok with leaving it as an assertion and just appealing to your own memory.
 
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What makes you assume that you know more about it than I do?
Its been hard to tell just when you're arguing about what you think or about what maga people think. So Im not really sure sure which positions belong to you personally.
 
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I'm an independent observer if that helps.
Not really. I mean, everyone thinks they are seeing clearly.

But I am curious about what independent means. Like you don't think the various political outcomes that are on the table matter?

Anyway, Im off for a long bike ride. Enjoy your Saturday!
 
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Mankind can never fix problems by using the same methods that created them. History shows when taking sides we just run in circles. The humourous part is that people actually think that the elites even care what we think unless it is to their advantage. Why play their game? Its not helping you. Separate yourselves from them and join with each other in the ways it used to be pre-corporatism when opportunity and wealth was shared and not replaced by arguments over rights rather than living responsibly. Self has to take full responsibility for self. Trailing along after some imagined leaders accomplishes nothing.
 
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If anti-trump people really cared about corruption they wouldn't have defended Hunter Biden or pretended nothing happened. See what I mean?
No, I don't. As already pointed out, most of the claims against him were lies. Nobody on the right was screaming about him because he cheated on his taxes or because he smoked crack in a motel. If that had been the long and short of it, Dems would've all shrugged and moved on with their lives. No, the right was screaming about Hunter because they wanted to paint his dad as being in cahoots, enriching himself by indulging in conflicts of interest - which never happened.

We knew they were lying about what happened. What was less obvious until Trump took office for the second time was how much they were lying about caring about this sort of thing.
 
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No, I don't. As already pointed out, most of the claims against him were lies. Nobody on the right was screaming about him because he cheated on his taxes or because he smoked crack in a motel. If that had been the long and short of it, Dems would've all shrugged and moved on with their lives. No, the right was screaming about Hunter because they wanted to paint his dad as being in cahoots, enriching himself by indulging in conflicts of interest - which never happened.

We knew they were lying about what happened. What was less obvious until Trump took office for the second time was how much they were lying about caring about this sort of thing.
The stuff said against Trump are lies all lies. That's what they say isn't it? The same stuff you're saying?
 
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