Trump to nominate RFK Jr. as Health and Human Services secretary

[RileyG]

Medical journals and peer-reviewed studies are "mainstream media" now?

Maybe I stated that wrong, and very poorly. Let me say it differently,

I am pro vaccine and am vaccinated. Some people didn’t like the vaccine because they thought it was rushed. They didn’t want to listen to everyone “you must get the shot” et al

No, I don’t believe vaccines cause autism or sudden death.

 

[Aaron112]

1949 — a year in medicine which will
live in infamy

 

[Aaron112]

Vitamin C and Polio
Research into vitamin C as a potential treatment for polio dates back to the early 20th century. Dr. Claus W. Jungeblut, a respected medical researcher, published papers in 1935 and 1937 indicating that vitamin C might be beneficial in preventing paralysis caused by polio. However, his work was not widely accepted, and subsequent attempts to replicate his findings often failed due to insufficient dosages of vitamin C.

 

[Aaron112]

"In the late spring of 1949 the United States
was in the grip of its worst poliomyelitis
epidemic ever. On June 10 a paper on ways
to save the lives of bulbar polio victims was
read at the Annual Session of the American
Medical Association (subsequently printed
in its journal, JAMA, September 3, 1949,
pages 1-8, volume 141, no. 1). Following the
talk members of the audience were invited to
comment. The first speaker, a leading
authority from Pasadena, focused on details
of tracheotomy techniques caused when
paralyzed breathing, swallowing and
coughing muscles of victims threatened their
lives. Why the next person was recognized is
puzzling. The only national recognition he
had received — and it was obviously very
limited — was that his picture appeared in
Ebony in 1947 for having delivered of a
deaf-mute black woman the first known
surviving, identical quadruplets in the
country. Here is the abstract of his remarks
as recorded in JAMA:
"Dr. F. R. Klenner, Reidsville, N.C.: It
might be interesting to learn how poliomyelitis was treated in Reidsville, N.C.,
during the 1948 epidemic. In the past seven
years, virus infections have been treated and
cured in a period of seventy-two hours by
the employment of massive frequent
injections of ascorbic acid, or vitamin C. I
believe that if vitamin C in these massive
doses — 6,000 to 20,000 mg in a twentyfour hour period — is given to these patients
with poliomyelitis none will be paralyzed
and there will be no further maiming or
epidemics of poliomyelitis."
The discussion period was, of course, to
be devoted to hearing relevant comments of
the world's leading authorities on the
treatment of bulbar polio symptoms, not
1. 1250 Grizzly Peak, Berkeley, CA 94708.
to airing another claim of a cure. One can
imagine the silence that must have greeted
this sweeping, out-of-place declaration by a
small-town general practitioner. Four other
speakers, three more bulbar experts and an
anesthesiologist, followed. None referred to
Dr. Klenner's remarks.
The empirical, clinical basis for Klenner's
statement is found in his paper "The
Treatment of Poliomyelitis and Other Virus
Diseases with Vitamin C", published in the
July 1949 issue of the Journal of Southern
Medicine and Surgery. "
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The Origin of the 42-Year Stonewall of Vitamin C

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Vitamin C and Polio : The Forgotten Research of Claus W. Jungeblut, M.D.

"Unlike oral polio vaccination, vitamin C has never caused polio. Yet how many people have you met, physicians included, who know vitamin C has been known to prevent and cure poliomyelitis for nearly 70 years? It was never really a secret. On September 18, 1939, Time magazine reported that "Last week, at the Manhattan meeting of the International Congress for Microbiology, two new clues turned up. (One is) Vitamin C." (9) The article describes how Jungeblut, while studying statistics of the 1938 Australian polio epidemic, deduced that low vitamin C status was associated with the disease."

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

What is his experience in health? He didn't take COVID-19 seriously. I don't see Trump helping Americans be healthy at all. Are they going to encourage healthy food in school? Are they going encourage healthy lifestyle?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Fattest, Sickest Country On Earth Concerned New Health Secretary Might Do Something Different

U.S. — Citizens in the most obese, unhealthy country on the face of the planet have expressed concern that new Health Secretary RFK might try to do a few things differently.

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U.S. — Citizens in the most obese, unhealthy country on the face of the planet have expressed concern that new Health Secretary RFK might try to do a few things differently.

With seventy-five percent of the adult population now overweight or obese, government officials expressed deep reservations about doing anything differently whatsoever. Thousands of employees within Health and Human Services have even threatened to quit if the new Secretary tries to get the country to change direction in some way.

"RFK is a nut and his ideas are crazy," said FDA employee Sharon Wilmington, as she slapped a "Heart Healthy" sticker on a box of Froot Loops. "We obviously have this thing under control."



Levity aside...

What is his experience in health? He didn't take COVID-19 seriously. I don't see Trump helping Americans be healthy at all. Are they going to encourage healthy food in school? Are they going encourage healthy lifestyle?

Why is "did they take covid seriously enough?" (a subjective standard) being used as the benchmark? Everyone is going to have a varying level of "seriousness" they see as the "appropriate amount". Up to and including "5 jabs, double masks, and using Clorox wipes on the steering wheel"

A couple of other points:

- Many of the things he's advocating for are either things democrats have asked for in the past, or things that other countries in Europe are already doing with good levels of success. (and that does include healthier food in schools and healthier lifestyle as you inquired about...in addition to tighter restrictions on sweeteners and food additives)

- It's an administrative position which means that one doesn't need to be a doctor themselves in order to get the job.

For example, many people who have the equivalent role at the state level don't have an MD, nor do several Hospital Administrators for major Hospital systems. For instance, University Hospitals here in NE Ohio is one of the top ranked hospital systems in the world. Their Chief Administrative Officer is a guy with a Law Degree and a minor in communications whose previous job was a Sr. VP of human resources for DHL.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The Surgeon General nominee has her own line of dietary supplements for "strengthening your immune system".

*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

On the plus side, she shills dubious dietary supplements and lied about her educational background.
On the minus side, she said positive things about the Trump COVID-19 vaccine and masking.
So her nomination has been pulled just before her hearings would have started.

The new nominee is RFK Jr associate Casey Means, a 'wellness influencer' with "impeccable MAHA credentials", who also shills dietary supplements.

She trained as a surgeon at Stanford University [but did not complete her residency] but has built an online following by criticizing the medical establishment and promoting natural foods and lifestyle changes to reverse obesity, diabetes and other chronic diseases.

[Her brother Calley has another role at HHS, calling for the removal of fluoride and reducing SNAP benefits.]

 

[essentialsaltes]

The new nominee is RFK Jr associate Casey Means, a 'wellness influencer' with "impeccable MAHA credentials", who also shills dietary supplements.

Meet the L.A. holistic doctor and wellness influencer who is Trump’s choice for surgeon general​

A doctor friend wonders whether her views on medicine sync with those of Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Robert Lustig, professor emeritus of pediatrics in the division of endocrinology at UC San Francisco, who is a friend of Means, told The Times he was shocked and surprised.

“What’s surprising to me is that she wanted the job, because she had difficulties adopting RFK’s full portfolio,” Lustig said, citing Kennedy’s controversial pronouncements on vaccines and fluoride in public water supplies. “She didn’t want to be part of the administration, in part because she couldn’t accede to those views. So what has changed is not clear.”

“I think she’s a terrific person,” Lustig said. “She will bring a very different mindset to the office.”

But Lustig said he believed Kennedy was flat out wrong on vaccines.

“I know why he’s wrong on vaccines,” he said. “I understand where his brain is, because I got a half hour with him on the phone, one on one. But I cannot alter my integrity to match that — and I thought that Casey couldn’t either.”

Means is an unorthodox pick for a president famed for his diet of Big Macs and Diet Cokes.

Her website features pictures of broccoli and almonds. Her Instagram page shows bright bowls of tofu scrambles with heirloom tomatoes, avocado and beet sauerkraut.

Her newsletter recounts how, at the age of 35, after she moved to L.A., she embraced the “woo woo (aka, the mystery),” set up a meditation shrine in her home and sought relationship advice from trees.

 

[Laodicean60]

“I think she’s a terrific person,” Lustig said. “She will bring a very different mindset to the office.”

But Lustig said he believed Kennedy was flat out wrong on vaccines.

“I know why he’s wrong on vaccines,” he said. “I understand where his brain is, because I got a half hour with him on the phone, one on one. But I cannot alter my integrity to match that — and I thought that Casey couldn’t either.”

I've listened to Dr. Lustig talk about fatty liver on YouTube about the dangers of sugar and added sugar on the liver, and the reason for non-alcoholic fatty liver. I believe we do need a different mindset for American health in government because the status quo isn't working. The sad thing is he's been talking about sugar since 2012, but our government is run by the food corporations and big sugar. I hope RFK changes this.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I've listened to Dr. Lustig talk about fatty liver on YouTube about the dangers of sugar and added sugar on the liver, and the reason for non-alcoholic fatty liver. I believe we do need a different mindset for American health in government because the status quo isn't working. The sad thing is he's been talking about sugar since 2012, but our government is run by the food corporations and big sugar. I hope RFK changes this.

We are quite possibly the fattest country around but money talks. Quite loudly. There will be no permanent change. And, as Michelle Obama found out, you can't force or legislate health on people.

 

[Fantine]

I am not against whole foods and health/wellness but not as a replacement for vaccines and meds when illness is present.
It disgusts me to see profiteers using their office for personal gain, but of course that's what the person who appoints them does. Ugh.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I am not against whole foods and health/wellness but not as a replacement for vaccines and meds when illness is present.
It disgusts me to see profiteers using their office for personal gain, but of course that's what the person who appoints them does. Ugh.

Shoot, I forgot, they don't have whales in Arkansas. Look, go down to Gulf Shores on the beautiful Gulf of America and cut the head off of a dead whale. It cures just about anything.

 

[Laodicean60]

And, as Michelle Obama found out, you can't force or legislate health on people.

This is true, but we can force legislate the food corporations to keep from poisoning us. I was against the NY tax on sodas, but years later found out about sugar, and now I agree with it.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The Surgeon General nominee has her own line of dietary supplements for "strengthening your immune system".

*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

So she's a grifter...

Her website features pictures of broccoli and almonds. Her Instagram page shows bright bowls of tofu scrambles with heirloom tomatoes[*], avocado and beet sauerkraut.

Her newsletter recounts how, at the age of 35, after she moved to L.A., she embraced the “woo woo (aka, the mystery),” set up a meditation shrine in her home and sought relationship advice from trees.

... and a moron.

[* heirloom tomatoes aren't "healthier", but the might be tastier. The varieties bred for commercial production and transport have thicker skins to protect during transport and are typically picked earlier (and often [shudders] refrigerated). Any of the classic garden F1 hybrids will taste better than most supermarket tomatoes. What heirlooms do offer is they aren't bred for commercial mass production and come in a wider variety of shapes, colors, and flavors than commercial tomatoes or the classic F1 garden hybrids. The "heirloom" label guarantees that they aren't bred for "toughness".]

 

[wing2000]

This is true, but we can force legislate the food corporations to keep from poisoning us. I was against the NY tax on sodas, but years later found out about sugar, and now I agree with it.

..incidently, the UK just signed a trade deal to allow American soda and cereals to be imported...(Brits be warned....don't buy our overly processed "food").

 

[probinson]

I am not against whole foods and health/wellness but not as a replacement for vaccines and meds when illness is present.
It disgusts me to see profiteers using their office for personal gain, but of course that's what the person who appoints them does. Ugh.

I'm curious. Does it also disgust you to see pharmaceutical companies profiteering from people's illnesses?

 

[Laodicean60]

..incidently, the UK just signed a trade deal to allow American soda and cereals to be imported...(Brits be warned....don't buy our overly processed "food").

Did you forget that our food corporations follow EU laws when making their food? It's been discussed on these threads already.

 

[wing2000]

Did you forget that our food corporations follow EU laws when making their food? It's been discussed on these threads already.

Is the UK following EU law or it's new trade deal with the US?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

So she's a grifter...

... and a moron.

[* heirloom tomatoes aren't "healthier", but the might be tastier. The varieties bred for commercial production and transport have thicker skins to protect during transport and are typically picked earlier (and often [shudders] refrigerated). Any of the classic garden F1 hybrids will taste better than most supermarket tomatoes. What heirlooms do offer is they aren't bred for commercial mass production and come in a wider variety of shapes, colors, and flavors than commercial tomatoes or the classic F1 garden hybrids. The "heirloom" label guarantees that they aren't bred for "toughness".]

I grew heirloom tomatoes that were ok for transport. San Marzano. I heard someone crossed tobacco with tomatoes, both are nightshades. Taste horrible but you can't stop eatting them.
That gave me the idea to cross eggplant and tomato, again, both nightshades. That way you would only need one vegetable to make eggplant parmesean.

 

[Laodicean60]

Is the UK following EU law or it's new trade deal with the US?

What kind of word salad is this?