Trump Temporarily Freezes all Federal Grant and Loan Payments

[Nithavela]

Sadly, they hate Jews more than they care about their own people.

Not quite. They hate Israelis more than they care about their own people.

Considering that they were happy to abduct non-israelis and non-jews on October 7, I'd say they hate everyone, including themselves.

 

[rjs330]

There are ways of cutting government spending without pulling the rug out from under people.

No there isn't. Cutting spending and waste will always pull the rug out from someone. Wasting money and wrong spending just to keep.people working is not the correct way to run a government or use taxpayer money.

 

[rjs330]

No, 60 mil globally a year for this really important public health measure is actually pretty good policy.

A single 50 mil condom aid shipment to Gaza is an absurd notion. Id be pretty upset if it was real thing - and I even support condoms generally as part of public health measures.

No it's not, it's terrible policy to spend Americans hard earned tax dollars on sex ed and condoms for other countries. What a waste of taxpayer funds.

 

[Pommer]

No it's not, it's terrible policy to spend Americans hard earned tax dollars on sex ed and condoms for other countries. What a waste of taxpayer funds.

The US has used soft-power for decades…now all of a sudden it’s ”bad”.
Why’s that?

 

[Job 33:6]

No there isn't. Cutting spending and waste will always pull the rug out from someone. Wasting money and wrong spending just to keep.people working is not the correct way to run a government or use taxpayer money.

You obviously don't know how government cuts work then. I gave an example above of an alternate method.

 

[wing2000]

Musk has stated US AID, the entire agency, is "beyond repair" and states it needs to be terminated, claiming his boss backs him up.

Left unsaid: What will replace it?
Or maybe MAGA sees no point in helping the less fortunate?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Something weird happened with me today. I sail with the US Navy and need to carry a years supply of medication with me. I'm going back to Norfolk Virginia tomorrow and went to pick up my meds at Walmart. What I normally paid $900 for was $9068.84 and what was normally $660 was $6486.12 for a total of $15, 549.96. Not the $1560 I was expecting. Oh well, gotta have them so there goes my gold buying money for the Middle East.

 

[rjs330]

You obviously don't know how government cuts work then. I gave an example above of an alternate method.

What cuts? Government rarely if ever cuts anything.

I most assuredly know how governement cuts work. How they work is there is ALWAYS an increase in spending. And when one side wants to cut the increase down, it's called a cut. When in reality there was no cut.

 

[rjs330]

The US has used soft-power for decades…now all of a sudden it’s ”bad”.
Why’s that?

Its always been "bad". Has it every single time been "bad"? I don't know. But I would say we are foolish with it more often than not.

 

[rjs330]

Musk has stated US AID, the entire agency, is "beyond repair" and states it needs to be terminated, claiming his boss backs him up.

Left unsaid: What will replace it?
Or maybe MAGA sees no point in helping the less fortunate?

OR maybe MAGA sees the need to be more circumspect as to who and how the money is spent. Prudence rather than waste.

 

[iluvatar5150]

OR maybe MAGA sees the need to be more circumspect as to who and how the money is spent. Prudence rather than waste.

lol, nothing about the way Musk is approaching this is "circumspect", just like nothing about the way he approached cuts at Twitter were circumspect. It's all rash and impulsive, gambling that it'll all end up going his way, with little regard to the consequences if it doesn't.

 

[wing2000]

OR maybe MAGA sees the need to be more circumspect as to who and how the money is spent. Prudence rather than waste.

Is it eliminating waste or shutting down foreign aid completely? As Musk has done in some cases..

 

[Job 33:6]

What cuts? Government rarely if ever cuts anything.

Like I said, you don't seem to be aware of how government operates saying something like this^. The IRS, the BLM, the EPA. OSHA, NOAA, FEMA, the CDC etc. governments are cutting their budgets all the time.

Additionally, even if budgets are held without increases, inflation results in reduction of the agencies size as well. EPA for example, used to have over 18,000 staff in the 90s. Now it's down to 14,000. And even under Democratic presidency we've seen these kinds of cuts. EPAs budget was cut by some 16% under Obama.

EPA’s Budget Cut Shrinks Staff to Smallest Since 1989

As GOP intensifies oversight, agency vows to continue with mission.

www.govexec.com

Oftentimes, what happens in government is, budgets are kept at a stasis, and as employees retire, their positions are not backfilled. So if you have a program of 10 staff, and let's say 3 retire at salaries of 50,000, then that 150,000 dollars can be cut and staff do not need to be laid off.

That's one option for shrinking an agency without needing to lay of hundreds of people. And if you keep the budget at a stasis, you can continue to give the remaining staff raises. That's how it works under normal circumstances.

What Trump is doing is somewhat backwards. He's targeting programs in which funding has already been awarded and allocating, and staff have already been hired to manage, and the private sector has already bid on those funds and hired their own staff, and Trump is pulling the rug out from under them and sending everyone home.

Or, in some circumstances he may just move staff from one agency to another to make it look like he is cutting certain areas, but in reality he's just moving people around. He may do that with the department of education. Rather than laying off 4000 people, he may just move them to another agency with another name, to make it look as if government has been cut in that area. But we will see.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Trump Administration Payment Freeze May Delay Money For Critical Preschool Program​

Head Start providers logging onto the online funding system this morning found a message warning of delays because of "potentially unallowable grant payments."

Head Start childcare programs are still unable to access federal money after Trump's funding freeze​

Dozens of Head Start programs, which provide childcare and preschool education to low-income children, have been unable to access previously approved federal funding, putting some programs at risk of having to close their doors in the coming days, according to a survey by the National Head Start Association.

The White House said Head Start programs shouldn’t have been affected by the freeze, and a judge blocked the action amid a legal challenge to the freeze. Still, more than 45 programs serving 20,000 children in 23 states have faced funding delays, according to the survey.

The Administration for Children and Families, which oversees Head Start funding and is part of the Department of Health and Human Services, didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment on the funding delays.

 

[essentialsaltes]

A tiny wrinkle in the NIH funding freeze fight, 22 states sued, and the temporary restraining order only covers those states as the injured parties.

As NIH Announces Cuts, University of Alabama Birmingham Could Lose Hundreds of Millions in Research Grants​

the school has remained in the top 1 percent of all NIH-funded institutions, public or private, UAB has said.

But Alabama is not a party to the suit.

Federal judge blocks Trump from slashing NIH funding in 22 states that sued​

Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-West Virginia) said Monday that she had been hearing from institutions in West Virginia about the cuts. “I’m concerned about it. It’s pretty drastic. So I’m thinking we need to look at this.”

WV is not a party to the suit.

Probably this wrinkle will be quickly ironed out. A number of universities have also sued, with the objective of unfreezing the funding nationally.

But in some counterfactual world, it would be interesting from a states rights perspective. Red states don't sue and have to live with the presidential fiats. Blue states stand up for their rights and obtain relief from illegal actions.

 

[wing2000]

A tiny wrinkle in the NIH funding freeze fight, 22 states sued, and the temporary restraining order only covers those states as the injured parties.

As NIH Announces Cuts, University of Alabama Birmingham Could Lose Hundreds of Millions in Research Grants​

the school has remained in the top 1 percent of all NIH-funded institutions, public or private, UAB has said.

But Alabama is not a party to the suit.

Federal judge blocks Trump from slashing NIH funding in 22 states that sued​

Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-West Virginia) said Monday that she had been hearing from institutions in West Virginia about the cuts. “I’m concerned about it. It’s pretty drastic. So I’m thinking we need to look at this.”

WV is not a party to the suit.

Probably this wrinkle will be quickly ironed out. A number of universities have also sued, with the objective of unfreezing the funding nationally.

But in some counterfactual world, it would be interesting from a states rights perspective. Red states don't sue and have to live with the presidential fiats. Blue states stand up for their rights and obtain relief from illegal actions.

...no worries. Those impacted communities and Alabama and West Virginia can bear a little pain for the cause....

btw, Arizona AG Kris Mayes has joined the suit:

Arizona universities and hospitals, including Banner and Mayo Clinic, would lose over $20 million under the rate change, according to the Arizona Attorney General’s Office.

“This money is owed to Arizonans by law,” Mayes said. “Beyond the students and institutions negatively impacted now, this will have disastrous and exponential consequences for innovation and progress, curbing our ability to combat disease and protect Americans for generations to come.”

Research funding cuts challenged by Arizona, 21 other states

Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes joined a multistate lawsuit against the Trump administration to protect medical and health research funding.

ktar.com

 

[essentialsaltes]

A tiny wrinkle in the NIH funding freeze fight, 22 states sued, and the temporary restraining order only covers those states as the injured parties.

As NIH Announces Cuts, University of Alabama Birmingham Could Lose Hundreds of Millions in Research Grants​

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican Sen. Katie Britt has been working to make sure the Trump administration's Department of Government Efficiency doesn't hit what she called “life-saving, groundbreaking research at high-achieving institutions,” including her state's beloved University of Alabama.

Sorry Senator Britt, you can either encourage your state to sue, or you can settle for borrowing Senator Collins' Concern Hat.

Ditto for Senators Moran [KS-farmers], Simpson [ID-national parks], Budd [NC-Research Triangle], and Rep. Gimenez [FL-Venezuelans].

It's DOGE time. Speak up more forcefully or lump it.

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT

This thread had a clean up of problem posts and the responses.

Do not paint an entire group with a flame. ​