Trump Temporarily Freezes all Federal Grant and Loan Payments

[durangodawood]

.....Like sending 50 million to Gaza for sex ed and condoms or whatever nonsense.....

You still believe that?
And are using it to form your opinions on this topic?

 

[Job 33:6]

Right now the freeze is what you need. There hasn't been enough to do what you want. By the time they finally get to something the funds have been dispursed and it's too late to get them back.

That's why you focus on preventing future allocations, rather than trying to halt already-approved funding from the past.

Freeze then prioritize the reviews. Some could be reviewed relatively quickly then released as needed.

That's completely backwards and would just result in layoffs of private and public sector Americans that are doing good work.

This is a very strange concept to a lot of people I see. How dare the government do their due diligence with taxpayers money? I mean we should just pay for everything, no questions asked right?

You can do you due diligence without laying off countless people and wrecking the economy in the process.

Yes of course there are some things that are vital and somethings that are important. The vital things can be first review. But there are boat loads of things that can wait.

Even in this scenario, the vital things are frozen. That's the problem. And you say "the vital things can be reviewed first". I don't think you understand how the government operates. There is no such thing as a rapid and efficient review of multi-billion or trillion dollar budget agencies.

Everyone gets the shaft on this one. Good programs and bad programs.

Like sending 50 million to Gaza for sex ed and condoms or whatever nonsense. Or money sent to the WHO.

Sure. Well with that said, those programs can be closed down, and you know what? If that money was dispersed before you get to it, in a country of dozens of trillions of dollars of debt, nobody would have noticed anyway. And you just save the money next go around.

The damages of halting grants and loans nationwide, especially if it will be for 3 months, would vastly exceed the pennies going toward condoms in Gaza. Whereas alternatively, the Gaza program can be ended, at a much lower cost, if future dispersions are cancelled in a professional manner.

Consider the following options:

Option A. You approve funding for a project. State government hires staff to distribute and manage that funding. The private sector spends countless dollars hiring and bidding on state government proposals. Then the federal government backtracks, removes that funding, resulting in the layoff of federal, state, and private sector workers (and manufacturers of products used by contract awardees, among others).

Or

Option B. You just let the contract expire and you simply don't renew it. Federal, state, and private sector workers have time to plan for new jobs. Nobody ends up homeless or incapable of paying their mortgage (especially those living paycheck to paycheck that can't afford a 3-month pay freeze). And the government ultimately saves the same amount of money, albeit it just takes a little longer.

There are ways of cutting government spending without pulling the rug out from under people.

 

[PloverWing]

That's why you focus on preventing future allocations, rather than trying to halt already-approved funding from the past.

This, exactly. The time to cut spending is when Congress draws up the next year's budget, and when agencies decide which projects should receive grant funding and which should not.

 

[Pommer]

This whole situation with funding really is kind of like a person with cancer, who elects a surgeon to remove the cancer, and then the surgeon pulls out a chainsaw and says that he knows how to get rid of the cancer.

And you get some people who are saying, well. We really need to get rid of this cancer.

And other people are panicking and saying, well. Is a chainsaw really the best tool?

And the president is like: " Don't worry, I'm only going to get rid of the bad parts".

But it's to be determined if the surgeon a master at surgery and can be trusted. Or if he's just going to ruin the patients life

Patient: Are there medications for pain!?
Doctor: Yes, and I already took them!

 

[Landon Caeli]

You still believe that?
And are using it to form your opinions on this topic?

It was a $45,680 delivery of condoms to Jordan.

You think we should send a $45,680 delivery of condoms to Jordan?

<SNIP>
"However, a review of the latest publicly available data from the US Agency for International Development (USAID) on condom shipments, covering 2023, reveals no such shipments to Gaza.

In fact, the only shipment to the Middle East that year was a $45,680 delivery to Jordan, which was noted as the first condom shipment to the region since 2019."<SNIP>

White House claims $50M earmarked for condom shipments to Gaza, but data proves otherwise

Review of USAID records shows no condom shipments to enclave, with only Middle East delivery being $45,680 shipment to Jordan in 2023 - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Landon Caeli]

I think it's deceptive that all the fact checkers went in full denial, rather than fixing the errors, in honesty.

...It shows they're *not* being honest in regards to Trump. And that we do send shipments of condoms to the Middle East - which is a total waste of taxpayer money.

FACT: The US actually sends 60 million dollars worth of condoms throughout the world each year!

 

[durangodawood]

It was a $45,680 delivery of condoms to Jordan.

You think we should send a $45,680 delivery of condoms to Jordan?

<SNIP>
"However, a review of the latest publicly available data from the US Agency for International Development (USAID) on condom shipments, covering 2023, reveals no such shipments to Gaza.

In fact, the only shipment to the Middle East that year was a $45,680 delivery to Jordan, which was noted as the first condom shipment to the region since 2019."<SNIP>

White House claims $50M earmarked for condom shipments to Gaza, but data proves otherwise

Review of USAID records shows no condom shipments to enclave, with only Middle East delivery being $45,680 shipment to Jordan in 2023 - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Probably a good idea as part of a public health support.

What really bothers me is people are lied to in an completely absurd way - $50M of condoms in one aid shipment to Gaza. And they are primed to believe it. Then they use that lie to inform their political allegiances.

People need to get hold of their own minds or we're really headed off the rails..

 

[Landon Caeli]

Probably a good idea as part of a public health support.

What really bothers me is people are lied in an completely absurd way - $50M of condoms in one aid shipment to Gaza. And they are primed to believe it. Then they use that lie to inform their political allegiances.

People need to get hold of their own minds or we're really headed off the rails..

Its easy to mistake 50K and 50M... And it's easy to mistake Palestine with Jordan.

But why can't those countries get their own condoms? Or get them from someone else - why is it yours and my responsibility?

It's actually even against my religion.

 

[Landon Caeli]

@wing2000, this is why the nation fired your party. For wasting money on your globalism!

 

[wing2000]

@wing2000, this is why the nation fired your party. For wasting money on your globalism!

....eh, it's not "my party". It's my country which has created tremendous wealth for 70 years based on the principle of free trade. It's ashame you don't realize what you got.

 

[durangodawood]

Its easy to mistake 50K and 50M...

Yeah a person can "misspeak."

But if you hear that, why in the world would you run with it before checking it out. Its preposterous.

Oh I know why! Because it feeds in to what you want to believe about the management of govt under the party youre conditioned to despise.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Yeah a person can "misspeak."

But if you hear that, why in the world would you run with it before checking it out. Its preposterous.

Oh I know why! Because it feeds in to what you want to believe about the management of govt under the party youre conditioned to despise.

You know our money management is actually even worse. We donate 60 million in condoms globally every year. That's more than the 50 million that was suggested about Gaza.

...that's ridiculous that were paying for the birth control of the whole world.

 

[durangodawood]

You know our management is even worse. We donate 60 million in condoms globally every year. That's more than the 50 million that was suggested about Gaza.

No, 60 mil globally a year for this really important public health measure is actually pretty good policy.

A single 50 mil condom aid shipment to Gaza is an absurd notion. Id be pretty upset if it was real thing - and I even support condoms generally as part of public health measures.

 

[Landon Caeli]

No, 60 mil globally a year for this really important public health measure is actually pretty good policy.

A single 50 mil condom aid shipment to Gaza is an absurd notion. Id be pretty upset if it was real thing - and I even support condoms generally as part of public health measures.

Should be a job for the UN. Or some "group" of countries. It's not the United States job to control the world population. If anything...

....Or if it is our job, then the whole world belongs to us to do whatever we please.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Should be a job for the UN. Or some "group" of countries. It's not the United States job to control the world population.

The US is not the only country providing condoms as a component of medical aid packages.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

My reading of that article included seeing this:

Moreover, the claims about the alleged condom shipment did not appear to match what the government had previously said about its aid efforts in Gaza. A September 2024 U.S. Agency for International Development report says not one dollar of the $60.8 million used to fund condoms and contraceptives distributed by the agency worldwide last year was allocated to the Palestinian territory.

The same report shows that the only contraceptives sent to the Middle East were distributed to the Jordanian government in the form of $45,680 worth of oral and injectable medications — not condoms.

 

[Pommer]

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Was there a point that went along with your post?

 

[Nithavela]

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It's actually quite amazing. Those guys will turn ANYTHING they can get their grabby hands on towards killing jews.

Pipes? Build missiles.
Concrete for rebuilding? War tunnels.
Food aid? Steal it, sell it to the palestinian civilians and then buy weapons with the money.
Condoms? Fire bombs.

If Hamas would put this kind of energy towards improving the life of the people of Gaza, it would be heaven on earth.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

It's actually quite amazing. Those guys will turn ANYTHING they can get their grabby hands on towards killing jews.

Pipes? Build missiles.
Concrete for rebuilding? War tunnels.
Food aid? Steal it, sell it to the palestinian civilians and then buy weapons with the money.
Condoms? Fire bombs.

If Hamas would put this kind of energy towards improving the life of the people of Gaza, it would be heaven on earth.

Sadly, they hate Jews more than they care about their own people.

 

[BCP1928]

Sadly, they hate Jews more than they care about their own people.

Not quite. They hate Israelis more than they care about their own people.