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Trump Temporarily Freezes all Federal Grant and Loan Payments

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Grants and loans from the federal government cover everything. Transportation, bridge replacements, potholes, roadway repairs and up keep
Yes, so let's make sure the money is being used appropriately instead of building bridges to no where.
They cover medical benefits for countless. Medicaid and Medicare save countless lives, every day (although these are incredibly expensive).
People's benefits under theae programs were still going to fetch their funding.
Education, special education, head start, assisting educational facilities in the poorest of areas that are already on the brink of collapse as it is.
So let's make sure the money is doing what it's supposed to be doing. Makes perfect sense.
Food and housing programs. Yes, some people abuse the system, we get that. But others sincerely need food. And simply starving them by cutting off their food supply is a sloppy approach to addressing other problebmatic areas.
Abusing the system is rampant and millions is being wasted and stolen from the American people. Let's make sure the money is going where it's supposed to be going. Makes sense.
People think that it's just the federal government that would take a hit. Not quite. Everything is delicately connected. If you go in throwing grenades at ants, you're going to bring the whole house down.
Rather than talk about each i dividual point i just want to say that making the claim that all this money is actually doing all the things you mentioned is ridiculous. It is utterly irresponsible to claim all the money that is being sent out is being used exactly for the things you claim it's being used for. Taking a hard look at it before it leaves the coffers is the responsible thing to do.

Do you believe that all this money, billions of dollars is being spent wisely and it's all going to exactly what it's supposed to do? None if it is being wasted?

Eh, what's a few.million here or a few million there in waste? Or maybe a billion here or there.

There is an insidious group of people on the left who claim that who would sabotage any attempt to get spending under control. And to do that rhey use fear as a weapon.
 
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...in response to a lawsuit from non-profit organizations.

23 states are also filling a separate lawsuit as well.



A federal judge blocked President Trump’s federal aid freeze Friday, finding that Democratic state attorneys general who sued are likely to prevail in their claims that it is illegal.

U.S. District Judge John McConnell signaled at a hearing earlier this week that he would grant the motion from 22 states and Washington, D.C., for an immediate injunction.

“Are there some aspects of the pause that might be legal and appropriate constitutionally for the Executive to take? The Court imagines there are, but it is equally sure that there are many instances in the Executive Orders’ wide-ranging, all-encompassing, and ambiguous ‘pause’ of critical funding that are not,” .....

“The Court must act in these early stages of the litigation under the ‘worst case scenario’ because the breadth and ambiguity of the Executive’s action makes it impossible to do otherwise,” he continued.

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McConnell’s order prevents the administration from adopting the OMB directive or cutting off the states’ federal grant funding. The block will last until the judge can consider the states’ motion for a longer injunction, which has not yet been filed.

The case, filed in federal court in Rhode Island, is one of two major challenges. The federal aid freeze is already on hold under a separate case brought by nonprofits and public health groups in D.C., but that hold only lasts until Monday, when the judge is set to conduct an additional hearing.


 
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Do you believe that all this money, billions of dollars is being spent wisely and it's all going to exactly what it's supposed to do? None if it is being wasted?

Write to your congress person.
 
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By the way incase anyone needs to know there is still a freeze on spending. Money is still being withheld pending reviews. Man I'm glad we have some common sense coming back to government.

If there is, it's in violation of a court order.
 
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Write to your congress person.
I don't need to. It's the Executive branch that's sending the money out and it's their job to make sure it's being used properly. And the Executive branch is starting to look at it.

I do have realistic expectations. With as big as government is and as bureaucratic as it is, I don't expect that Trumps Executive branch is going to end 50 years of government wasteful spending in just 4 years time. But I sure hope he gets a good foothold on it and gets the ball rolling. It sounds like he's working on it and I say it's a good start.
 
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If there is, it's in violation of a court order.
Nope, as explained there were other orders that froze spending before the one that the court stopped. Those are still in effect. It was only one order that got stopped.
 
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Yes, so let's make sure the money is being used appropriately instead of building bridges to no where.
Anyone who knows anything about roadway construction and bridge repairs knows that nobody is going around building bridges to nowhere.
 
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Nope, as explained there were other orders that froze spending before the one that the court stopped. Those are still in effect. It was only one order that got stopped.
By the way incase anyone needs to know there is still a freeze on spending. Money is still being withheld pending reviews. Man I'm glad we have some common sense coming back to government.

The thread refers specifically to the freezing of Federal loans and grants....
 
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Yes, so let's make sure the money is being used appropriately instead of building bridges to no where.

People's benefits under theae programs were still going to fetch their funding.

So let's make sure the money is doing what it's supposed to be doing. Makes perfect sense.

Abusing the system is rampant and millions is being wasted and stolen from the American people. Let's make sure the money is going where it's supposed to be going. Makes sense.

Rather than talk about each i dividual point i just want to say that making the claim that all this money is actually doing all the things you mentioned is ridiculous. It is utterly irresponsible to claim all the money that is being sent out is being used exactly for the things you claim it's being used for. Taking a hard look at it before it leaves the coffers is the responsible thing to do.

Do you believe that all this money, billions of dollars is being spent wisely and it's all going to exactly what it's supposed to do? None if it is being wasted?

Eh, what's a few.million here or a few million there in waste? Or maybe a billion here or there.

There is an insidious group of people on the left who claim that who would sabotage any attempt to get spending under control. And to do that rhey use fear as a weapon.
The point is that, you don't want to freeze money going to important projects and necessities, in an effort to stop the wasteful money. Ideally you would freeze grants or loans with some precision to focus in on specific things. Rather than just a blanket freeze that stops everything.
 
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This whole move by the left to stop the freeze and review process could totally backfire on them. If it goes up the courts and gets a ruling in favor of Trump it becomes settled law.

They shoild have just let this play out and see what happens. The panic was a product of Democrats and the left wing media.

And I have a feeling that if they would have left well enough alone that monies would have been reviewed and released for the most needed issues. While questionable ones would have been stopped.
 
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From the court order issued on January 31: [23 States vs Trump]

"During the pendency of the Temporary Restraining Order, Defendants shall not pause, freeze, impede, block, cancel, or terminate Defendants’ compliance with awards and obligations to provide federal financial assistance to the States, and Defendants shall not impede the States’ access to such awards and obligations, except on the basis of the applicable authorizing statutes, regulations, and terms.

If Defendants engage in the “identif[ication] and review” of federal financial assistance programs, as identified in the OMB Directive, such exercise shall not affect a pause, freeze, impediment, block, cancellation, or termination of Defendants’ compliance with such awards and obligations, except on the basis of the applicable authorizing statutes, regulations, and terms.

Defendants shall also be restrained and prohibited from reissuing, adopting, implementing, or otherwise giving effect to the OMB Directive under any other name or title or through any other Defendants (or agency supervised, administered, or controlled by any Defendant), such as the continued implementation identified by the White House Press Secretary’s statement of January 29, 2025. ECF No. 44"

 
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This whole move by the left to stop the freeze and review process could totally backfire on them. If it goes up the courts and gets a ruling in favor of Trump it becomes settled law.

They shoild have just let this play out and see what happens. The panic was a product of Democrats and the left wing media.

And I have a feeling that if they would have left well enough alone that monies would have been reviewed and released for the most needed issues. While questionable ones would have been stopped.

....I see, when presented with facts, one falls back on an ideological argument.
 
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The point is that, you don't want to freeze money going to important projects and necessities, in an effort to stop the wasteful money. Ideally you would freeze grants or loans with some precision to focus in on specific things. Rather than just a blanket freeze that stops everything.
Cmon' man every project is considered is considered an important project and a necessity by the left. It's doesn't matter if the money is being wasted by the principles involved or misused. Just the fact that it's going out is all that matters.
Not every grant is worthy of being issued. These things need heavy reviews and those receiving them need heavy review and oversight.

Our spending has got to be gotten under control. And rhe people of America have gotten too used to government handouts. It's time to get control of the spending. There are worthy causes out there for sure. But this country is so heavily in debt that it's ridiculous. And it's time to stop the, "let's spend the money and figure out if it was a good investment later" strategy.
 
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They shoild have just let this play out and see what happens.
I tend to agree. If/when planes start crashing into each other, grants and loans stop, and there's a money crunch among those who supported Trump, then perhaps there will be cause for alarm.

I think the best move the critics of Trump can make is just let Trump trump. Approve his cabinet, let him run amuck unencumbered for a couple of years.

I tend to think he'll leave office the next time just like the last time, with the lowest approval rating(s) of any president to date.
That, however, is speculation on my part.
 
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This whole move by the left to stop the freeze and review process could totally backfire on them. If it goes up the courts and gets a ruling in favor of Trump it becomes settled law.

They shoild have just let this play out and see what happens. The panic was a product of Democrats and the left wing media.

And I have a feeling that if they would have left well enough alone that monies would have been reviewed and released for the most needed issues. While questionable ones would have been stopped.
The panic stems from the trump administration announcing a catastrophic effort while simultaneously not providing clarity as to what it is they are actually going to do.

It would be like saying that you're going to throw out thanksgiving dinner without clarifying if you mean a specific dish, or the whole shabang.
Cmon' man every project is considered is considered an important project and a necessity by the left. It's doesn't matter if the money is being wasted by the principles involved or misused. Just the fact that it's going out is all that matters.
Not every grant is worthy of being issued. These things need heavy reviews and those receiving them need heavy review and oversight.

Our spending has got to be gotten under control. And rhe people of America have gotten too used to government handouts. It's time to get control of the spending. There are worthy causes out there for sure. But this country is so heavily in debt that it's ridiculous. And it's time to stop the, "let's spend the money and figure out if it was a good investment later" strategy.
The fact that everyone agrees that there are worthy programs and necessities out there, that tells us that if we want to cut spending, we have to be careful about how that's done.

It's really that simple, doing a blanket freeze on everything would be absolutely catastrophic for our country. There would be so many people losing their jobs that it would just be ridiculous.

And so the Trump administration has to provide clarity on how exactly they're going to Target these particular grants or loans, the administration can't simply freeze everything and figure it out later, that's just going to end up destroying everything. Everything not just the federal government but down to the level of the private sector that receives those funds as well, in addition to State positions that distribute the funds as well, everyone from the top down would be disastrously impacted.

It would be like if a person had cancer, and you have a doctor performing surgery, and instead of the doctor going and removing the cancer, the doctor instead just takes a shotgun and threatens to shoot a big chunk of the person's body out to get rid of the cancer.

These kinds of things take precision and Care, you can't just go in and knock a whole section of someone's body out.

And so naturally, the person panics and says, what do you mean you're going to blow this whole section of my body out?

And Trump says "well, we only want to remove the parts that fit our agenda".

Well, what is that supposed to mean?

No further clarity is given. It's up to people's imaginations.
 
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This whole situation with funding really is kind of like a person with cancer, who elects a surgeon to remove the cancer, and then the surgeon pulls out a chainsaw and says that he knows how to get rid of the cancer.

And you get some people who are saying, well. We really need to get rid of this cancer.

And other people are panicking and saying, well. Is a chainsaw really the best tool?

And the president is like: " Don't worry, I'm only going to get rid of the bad parts".

But it's to be determined if the surgeon a master at surgery and can be trusted. Or if he's just going to ruin the patients life
 
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I tend to agree. If/when planes start crashing into each other, grants and loans stop, and there's a money crunch among those who supported Trump, then perhaps there will be cause for alarm.

I think the best move the critics of Trump can make is just let Trump trump. Approve his cabinet, let him run amuck unencumbered for a couple of years.

I tend to think he'll leave office the next time just like the last time, with the lowest approval rating(s) of any president to date.
That, however, is speculation on my part.
On the other hand great things could happen and he stays on as dictator for life.
 
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The point is that, you don't want to freeze money going to important projects and necessities, in an effort to stop the wasteful money. Ideally you would freeze grants or loans with some precision to focus in on specific things. Rather than just a blanket freeze that stops everything.
Right now the freeze is what you need. There hasn't been enough to do what you want. By the time they finally get to something the funds have been dispursed and it's too late to get them back.

Freeze then prioritize the reviews. Some could be reviewed relatively quickly then released as needed.

This is a very strange concept to a lot of people I see. How dare the government do their due diligence with taxpayers money? I mean we should just pay for everything, no questions asked right?

We've gotten so used to sucking at the teet of government and our fellow taxpayers that we are horrified at the prospect that our pet project might be at risk.

Yes of course there are some things that are vital and somethings that are important. The vital things can be first review. But there are boat loads of things that can wait.

Like sending 50 million to Gaza for sex ed and condoms or whatever nonsense. Or money sent to the WHO.
 
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