Trump removed art from American ambassador's house

[The Barbarian]

Oh, and people who work for Donald Trump, who fires anyone who says things he doesn't like.

And now we are back on the third-grade playground.

That's pretty much Donald Trump's character. For example, when Lt. Col. Vindman did his duty and reported Trump's attempt to get a foreign power to get information on a political rival, Trump first fired him (in spite of the fact that military whistle-blowers are required to be protected from retaliation) and then intervened to block his approved promotion.

He's a vicious and vindictive person. No wonder everyone who was still working for him, cooperated.

No leader can allow individuals to be on his staff when it becomes clear the only reason those individuals are on the staff is to undermine or attempt to undermine him.

Retaliation for such testimony is corrupt.

To people of character, a difference of opinion does not constitute sufficient grounds to go running to the media crying and wailing about how mean the boss is.

To people of character, Trump's statements are offensive and unpatriotic. If he doesn't want it to get out, he should avoid doing it.

And while this particular scandal isn't going to bury him, it's just one more of dozens that have voters disgusted with him.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Technically, it's not theft. Yes, he took things that did not belong to him, but they are government property, so in a sense a president is allowed to take government property for his own use, in many cases.

That is why we talked about morality instead of legality.

 

[Arc F1]

You don’t hold the President of United States to any higher moral standard than a guy throwing a brick through a supermarket window ?

The President didn't break the law. Big difference.

 

[The Barbarian]

That is why we talked about morality instead of legality.

Yep. It was a boorish grab of something Trump saw, and figured he could get away with taking. It's the way he thinks. Morality and legality have no restraint on him. His moral standard is "can I get away with it?"

Technically, he didn't steal it. It didn't belong to him, but it is federal property and in this case, he could just grab it and take it back to his office.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

The President didn't break the law. Big difference.

For me abusing the powers of the highest elected office in the United States on personal whim would be a greater wrong than breaking a restaurant window.

Well if electorate is fine with their leader doing some legal looting to redecorate his own office and the inherent stupidity of doing that publicly who am I to argue.

 

[Arc F1]

For me abusing the powers of the highest elected office in the United States on personal whim would be a greater wrong than breaking a restaurant window.

Well if electorate is fine with their leader doing some legal looting to redecorate his own office and the inherent stupidity of doing that publicly who am I to argue.

How is it abuse? He had the authority to remove it.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

How is it abuse? He had the authority to remove it.

Let’s go with Biblical reference on this.

Bathsheba | Description & Biblical Account

King David had the authority to order her husband to front lines in order to to get him killed.

You can have authority to do things while still abusing that said authority.

Is this a hard concept to grasp ?

 

[Arc F1]

Let’s go with Biblical reference on this.

Bathsheba | Description & Biblical Account

King David had the authority to order her husband to front lines in order to to get him killed.

You can have authority to do things while still abusing that said authority.

Is this a hard concept to grasp ?

How many people did he kill while removing the art? Were they covid related deaths?

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

How many people did he kill while removing the art? Were they covid related deaths?

How is this relevant for your justification of abusing the powers of the office of POTUS ?

Everything is OK as long as President doesn’t personally shoot someone ?

And what has Covid to do with looting some ambassadors furnishings?

 

[Arc F1]

How is this relevant for your justification of abusing the powers of the office of POTUS ?

Everything is OK as long as President doesn’t personally shoot someone ?

And what has Covid to do with looting some ambassadors furnishings?

It's not any worse than comparing it to king David.

 

[The Barbarian]

King David killed one man for personal reasons. Trump delayed action on the pandemic for personal reasons, and 36,000 people died because of his decision.
Social distancing a week earlier could have saved 36,000 US lives, study finds

I'd say it would be unfair to King David to consider the two as equivalent.

 

[Sistrin]

How is it abuse? He had the authority to remove it.

Context. This story simply provides another opportunity for those driven by hate for President Trump to flaunt their hate. That is all that is going on here.

 

[renniks]

Again, nobody is saying it was criminal.

Then why is it news?

 

[renniks]

I mean seriously, who cares? For all you know the ambassador told him to take them. This is like a gossip column, not news.

 

[Arcangl86]

Then why is it news?

IDK. Why was Obama's tan suit news? People have certain expectations of how the President is supposed to act, and when they act differently, people like to talk about it. I think this story was overblown, but it also sort of fallen out of the media cycle already.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Context. This story simply provides another opportunity for those driven by hate for President Trump to flaunt their hate. That is all that is going on here.

It just demonstrates Trump’s lack of character and common sense. Why so many Christians feel this is irrelevant for their chosen leader is beyond me.

 

[The Barbarian]

Context.

Context is Donald Trump saw stuff he wanted for himself in an Ameican Embassy, and took it. Now it's in his office. This story provides another window into his morals and character. He could get away with it, so he did it.

Like Donald Trump, the art work that was taken turned out to be a tacky copy of the real thing. So it's kind of appropriate that he grabbed it for himself.

That is all that is going on here.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

It just demonstrates Trump’s lack of character and common sense. Why so many Christians feel this is irrelevant for their chosen leader is beyond me.

A spokesperson for the WH said that it's common for such things be borrowed from one government building and sent to another.

The artwork in this case was moved from a US Embassy and to the White House.

The pieces of art, weren't even on display for anyone to see them, but kept in another room.

In other words, the President didn't steal them, just had them moved to the White House.

Is error was thinking there were authentic, which turns out not to be true.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

A spokesperson for the WH said that it's common for such things be borrowed from one government building and sent to another.

Sure. If it is that common you can surely find another instance where sitting President has been grabbing ambassadors - fake lol - stuff and installing them on his own premises ?

I am sure right wing media would have totally ignored if Obama had made a blunder like that.

Not like “spokesperson” for the WH would mislead us to cover his boss and his job. Right ?

Now if some people want to lie to themselves about this to feel warm at night it is all fine but believing this happens all the time but nobody just bothered to report it before is just disengagement from reality.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Sure. If it is that common you can surely find another instance where sitting President has been grabbing ambassadors - fake lol - stuff and installing them on his own premises ?

I am sure right wing media would have totally ignored if Obama had made a blunder like that.

Not like “spokesperson” for the WH would mislead us to cover his boss and his job. Right ?

Now if some people want to lie to themselves about this to feel warm at night it is all fine but believing this happens all the time but nobody just bothered to report it before is just disengagement from reality.

I don't know if other presidents had done similar, I was merely stating what the WH spokesperson said.

I would think most presidents don't notice such trivial stuff at the embassies and could care less about bringing them to the WH.