Trump just promised an authoritarian ‘task force’ to impose Christian ideology

[Hans Blaster]

I'm guessing you're talking about when he said he would be a dictator for one day. He said he's going to do two things. Fix the border. Which many Americans want. The the other is about energy. "After that I'm not going to be a dictator." This is what those on the left are fearmongering about?

One day too many. No dictators. Period. Zero tolerance. He isn't going to fix the border in one day. It can't be done. Nor could anything substantial be done "about energy" in one day.

 

[A2SG]

Neither I or the author are trying to refute that. Trump can't be a dictator is the whole point the author is making.

He may not meet the dictionary definition of the term...but he does seem to crave a lot more power than the President has ever had, or should ever have. And given his propensity for breaking the law (fraud, sexual assault, defamation...with 91 more indictments to go), I don't think he can be trusted with that kind of power.

You can sleep easy. Trump won't be a dictator.

He has specifically said he'd be a dictator. And we only have his word that he will stop after one day. The word, I must add, of someone guilty of massive fraud, among other crimes.

-- A2SG, when someone tells you exactly who they are, believe them!

 

[A2SG]

Strange, it's seems like I'm the only one saying that. Everyone I've replied to seems convinced it's possible.

And why do you think that might be? That Trump, himself, has said he'd be a dictator. That he is arguing, in court, for absolute Presidential immunity, giving him no accountability for any and all crimes he might commit? That he's already been proven guilty of a handful of illegal acts...and stands accused of over 90 more?

Yeah, that's a guy you can trust not to abuse power!!

-- A2SG, by all means, let's give him even more...he says he can be trusted!

 

[MrMoe]

Because you said that you read the article and didn't see anything to support the author's conclusion. Because you stated that the headline was a lie.

You said: "The op-ed has plenty of supporting evidence in the form of statements by Trump and actions that he took while President." I didn't see plenty. I saw no evidence. So I just want you to provide what you think is evidence in that article

The only thing that I'm trying to convince you of is that your disagreement with a statement does not make it a lie.

Your own words: "something is only a lie if the person saying it knows that it is untrue." So by your own admission the possibility exists that the author of the article could be lying, since we can't read their mind.

Again, something is only a lie if the person saying it knows that it is untrue.

How can we prove or disprove the author knows what they are saying is untrue?

Someone can have an opinion that the election was stolen and not be lying.

Or they could be.

They're wrong,

How can they be wrong if it's just an opinion?

and potentially willfully ignorant, but not (necessarily) lying.

If you're stating something as a fact about something you are willfully ignorant of, that's lying.

The op-ed has plenty of supporting evidence in the form of statements by Trump and actions that he took while President. The fact that you don't think that that evidence supports the author's conclusion is irrelevant. Unless you are Donald Trump or a mind reader, your opinions of what Trump means when he says or does something aren't any more factual than mine (or the op-ed's author).

Okay then copy and paste the "plenty of supporting evidence" from the article in your next reply. That's all I'm asking.

Not really. They are backed up by observations and our analysis of those observations. For instance, if I believe that Bob is smart, that's my opinion of Bob's intelligence. It would be based on the things that I've seen Bob do and heard him say. But those aren't facts - the facts may be that the "smart" things that I observed him doing were sheer dumb luck and the "smart" things he said only sounded smart because I didn't understand the topic. So, I have an opinion of Bob ("Bob is smart") that is not supported by facts. And the facts don't necessarily prove my opinion wrong either - maybe Bob is smart; just not in relation to those topics that I happened to observe his pseudo-smart words and actions for.

Intelligence is subjective. So it's not a fair comparison. Either Trump is doing what the author is claiming or he's not. That is objective.

 

[MrMoe]

yes.
But regardless of whether it is POSSIBLE, it is a clear indicator that nobody who treasures American values should be voting or supporting this man.

What's funny is that's the reason I've heard many Americans say they are voting for Trump, because they treasure American values.

 

[MrMoe]

One day too many. No dictators. Period. Zero tolerance. He isn't going to fix the border in one day. It can't be done. Nor could anything substantial be done "about energy" in one day.

He can't be a dictator, even if he wanted to be. And I'm pretty sure he was joking he said that he wanted to be a dictator for one day.

 

[MrMoe]

He may not meet the dictionary definition of the term...but he does seem to crave a lot more power than the President has ever had, or should ever have. And given his propensity for breaking the law (fraud, sexual assault, defamation...with 91 more indictments to go), I don't think he can be trusted with that kind of power.

If doesn't meet the dictionary definition of the term... Then he's not a dictator.

He has specifically said he'd be a dictator. And we only have his word that he will stop after one day. The word, I must add, of someone guilty of massive fraud, among other crimes.

-- A2SG, when someone tells you exactly who they are, believe them!

He can't be a dictator even if he wants to be, as the expert said.

 

[A2SG]

If doesn't meet the dictionary definition of the term... Then he's not a dictator.

So call it something else. A rose by any other name, etc.

Thing is, Trump craves absolute immunity for any and all criminal acts, and he has shown he will use it. That's enough.

No matter what you call him.

He can't be a dictator even if he wants to be, as the expert said.

Unless the SCOTUS rules he does have absolute Presidential immunity, and he's elected President.

Let's just hope that doesn't happen. Because I don't trust Trump won't take full advantage of the absolute immunity he desires.

-- A2SG, "sorry, Mr. Trump, you can't do that, the dictionary says so"....Yeah, I don't think that'll stop him....

 

[rambot]

What's funny is that's the reason I've heard many Americans say they are voting for Trump, because they treasure American values.

And that's because Trump has convinced them that he REPRESENTS American values. What he talks about doing are NOT American values but his supporters appear to REJOICE in them.
And please don't ask what those are because this threads mentions them.

And as my quick scan seemed to suggest, you will assirt that he DID say that. It's just that it can't happen because of checks and balances (nevermind that Those haven't stopped republicans too much before). Based on what Trump has said as brought up by people in this thread, which American values are beinig supported?

 

[rambot]

If doesn't meet the dictionary definition of the term... Then he's not a dictator.

URG! I which we could have such commitment to definitions of English words in OTHER debates from right leaners.

 

[rjs330]

Opinion | Trump just promised an authoritarian ‘task force’ to impose Christian ideology

The former president is still feeding the Christian right’s persecution complex

www.msnbc.com

In a Dec. 19 speech in Iowa, for example, Trump pledged, “As soon as I get back in the Oval Office, I’ll also immediately end the war on Christians. I don’t know if you feel it. You have a war. There’s a war.” Speaking just after the Colorado Supreme Court disqualified him from appearing on the state’s GOP primary ballot, Trump tied this “war” to his own legal woes. “Under crooked Joe Biden, Christians and Americans of faith are being persecuted and government has been weaponized against religion like never before. And also presidents like never before,” he added. “I always say Al Capone was treated better than I was treated.”​

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Trump has promoted the theme of Christian persecution in the past, but is elevating it again as these legal issues mount. His clear purpose is to deflect attention from his own criminal liabilities by insinuating that the same Biden administration he falsely claims is unfairly targeting him for prosecution is similarly persecuting religious Americans.​

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That Trump supporters believe him to be a "man of faith" is patently ridiculous. If I believed in such a thing as an "anti-christ", Trump would be the poster boy, A number 1 candidate.

Trump is following the pathway set by the leftist Justice warriors in the country. Set up a victimhood group make them the oppressed and and divide them by oppressed and oppressors. He's learning.

To be honest I'm tired of all of it. I'm tired of it from the left and tired of this kind of nonsense from the right as well. And don't know that Christians are being persecuted. Many on the left are persecuting or seeking to persecute those on the right, but there are an awful lot of them who don't support biblical Christianity. This is just another appeal to victimhood line the lefts appeals have been.

I'm not in favor of it from either side.

 

[Nithavela]

I'm guessing you're talking about when he said he would be a dictator for one day. He said he's going to do two things. Fix the border. Which many Americans want. The the other is about energy. "After that I'm not going to be a dictator." This is what those on the left are fearmongering about?

The funny thing about dictators is that once they are dictators, they might decide that they'd like to stay dictators. And who's going to stop them? They're dictators, after all.

 

[KCfromNC]

Trump is following the pathway set by the leftist Justice warriors in the country.

If Trump is really acting like a woke leftist, it is strange that so many on the right are so enamored of him.

Perhaps that's not actually true and instead just a lame attempt to deflect from the man's many issues, personally, legally and professionally.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

If Trump is really acting like a woke leftist, it is strange that so many on the right are so enamored of him.

Perhaps that's not actually true and instead just a lame attempt to deflect from the man's many issues, personally, legally and professionally.

"NO! YOU!!"

 

[MrMoe]

So call it something else. A rose by any other name, etc.

Thing is, Trump craves absolute immunity for any and all criminal acts, and he has shown he will use it. That's enough.

No matter what you call him.

A dictator by any other name is still a dictator? It's seems you still believe he can still become a dictator even though I provided an experts analysis saying he can't.

Unless the SCOTUS rules he does have absolute Presidential immunity, and he's elected President.

Let's just hope that doesn't happen. Because I don't trust Trump won't take full advantage of the absolute immunity he desires.

-- A2SG, "sorry, Mr. Trump, you can't do that, the dictionary says so"....Yeah, I don't think that'll stop him....

Absolute Presidential immunity ≠ dictator.

 

[wing2000]

Absolute Presidential immunity ≠ dictator.

If a President can not be held accountable for any action he is a dicator. Let's say the USSC rules against him. A Presdient with absolute immunity could simply ignore their decision....without consequence.

 

[MrMoe]

And that's because Trump has convinced them that he REPRESENTS American values. What he talks about doing are NOT American values but his supporters appear to REJOICE in them.
And please don't ask what those are because this threads mentions them.

And as my quick scan seemed to suggest, you will assirt that he DID say that. It's just that it can't happen because of checks and balances (nevermind that Those haven't stopped republicans too much before). Based on what Trump has said as brought up by people in this thread, which American values are beinig supported?

They must have been deleted because I don't see them mentioned anywhere on this thread.

URG! I which we could have such commitment to definitions of English words in OTHER debates from right leaners.

I've only see this lack of commitment to definitions from left wingers.

For example, it's left wingers who believe silence is violence.

But they also believe that words can be violence.

Also the word racism has been diluted so much it's been applied to just about everything, by the left.

Diluting the meaning of words makes debating more difficult.

 

[MrMoe]

The funny thing about dictators is that once they are dictators, they might decide that they'd like to stay dictators. And who's going to stop them? They're dictators, after all.

You're preaching to the choir. I know what the lust for power is. But since Trump can't become a dictator, this doesn't worry me.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/opinions/trump-election-2024-dictator-cooper/index.html

 

[wing2000]

I've only see this lack of commitment to definitions from left wingers.

Typical diversion.

The topic is Trump.

 

[MrMoe]

If a President can not be held accountable for any action he is a dicator. Let's say the USSC rules against him. A Presdient with absolute immunity could simply ignore their decision....without consequence.

Basically you're saying absolute presidential immunity is a license to be a dictator. And people actually believe Trump has a chance of getting this?