True or False Rom. 2:13

[Soyeong]

OK. True or false? "For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13 This statement by Paul is the greatest non-christian statement that has ever been written by a true Christian.

There is a significant difference between saying that we will be saved by obeying the law and that it is obeyers of the law who will be saved. We can not earn our salvation, but rather we are saved by faith, or in other words by being in a trusting relationship with God, which is exemplified through obedience to His law.

 

[Steeno7]

Of course, thats why i keep his words inside my heart and mind always. Its a work of the spirit teacher. The spirit teacher teaches me all things through the spirit of truth. The words and commands of Christ are the truth. The spirit teacher also reminds me of everything that Christ and His apostles have spoken. That's proof that he is within myself, because it is the work of the spirit within myself..

It is Christ Himself who is the Word. It is Christ Himself who is the Truth. Your language is cause for concern.

 

[Soyeong]

Ummmm, because it's not??

Galatians 3:12
"...the Law is not of faith"

That is speaking of works of the law, not God's law.

 

[Steeno7]

That is speaking of works of the law, not God's law.

LOL. Oh, okay.

 

[Soyeong]

If there is any possibility you might be declared righteous by God through obedience of the OT code, the law of sin and death, there is no reason for Jesus Christ's murder.
Good luck. You need it

I have never suggested that we are declared righteous through obedience of the OT code, and in fact I just said the opposite, that we can't earn our salvation. Paul said that God's law is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) and contrasts it with the law of sin (Romans 7:21-23), so they are not the same thing.

 

[Soyeong]

LOL. Oh, okay.

Context is important:

Galatians 3:10-12 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”[d] 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”

 

[Soyeong]

Gal. 3:12 is referencing the law of sin and death, the Sinai code. Rom. 2:13 & Gal. 3:19 isn't. Look hard head. Even if God himself were to instruct you, and he won't, you will even argue with him. Good luck. You need it.

Again, Romans 7:21-23 very clearly contrasts God's law, which Paul delights in, with the law of sin.

 

[SAAN]

It is trusting not in yourself, but in Christ alone.

Trusting in Christ to do what exactly?

 

[Soyeong]

He's not incorrect, you are. He's saying that if you want to be under the Law, then you are under all of it, and its demand for righteousness is not your best effort, but doing what it demands. Doing all of what it demands. How are you doing at that??

Deuteronomy 16:19 You shall not pervert justice. You shall not show partiality, and you shall not accept a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and subverts the cause of the righteous.

This is one of many verses that talks about people who are righteous. These are not people who kept God's law perfectly, but theydid try to keep God's law.

 

[Steeno7]

Deuteronomy 16:19 You shall not pervert justice. You shall not show partiality, and you shall not accept a bribe, for a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and subverts the cause of the righteous.

This is one of many verses that talks about people who are righteous. These are not people who kept God's law perfectly, but theydid try to keep God's law.

You are clutching at straw as usual.

 

[Soyeong]

Rom. 7:21-23 is referencing the law written on stones by the finger of God. Rom. 2:13 is not referencing that law. Scram.

You shouldn't pick and choose which law Paul is talking about to fit your theology. The law of God is more than what He wrote on stone and is also what is being talked about in Romans 2:13.

 

[Soyeong]

You are clutching at straw as usual.

Just pointing out the obvious.

 

[Steeno7]

Context is important:

Galatians 3:10-12 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”[d] 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”

Yes the context is the Law. The Law is not of faith.

 

[Soyeong]

Yes the context is the Law. The Law is not of faith.

Galatians 3:10-12 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”[d] 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”

The context is works of law, not God's law.

 

[Steeno7]

Just pointing out the obvious.

No, you're just pointing out the lengths you are willing to go to in order to cling to the lie.

 

[Steeno7]

Galatians 3:10-12 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”[d] 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”

The context is works of law, not God's law.

Does it say the works of the law are not of faith, or does it say the law is not of faith?

 

[Soyeong]

No, you're just pointing out the lengths you are willing to go to in order to cling to the lie.

1 Samuel 26:23 The Lord rewards every man for his righteousness and his faithfulness, for the Lord gave you into my hand today, and I would not put out my hand against the Lord's anointed.

Again, there are many examples of people being described as righteous who did not keep the law perfectly. I'm not sure why you refuse to accept this obvious truth. Or would say that this verse isn't talking about anyone because there is no one who would qualify that the Lord would reward?

 

[Steeno7]

Trusting in Christ to do what exactly?

Save you.

 

[Steeno7]

1 Samuel 26:23 The Lord rewards every man for his righteousness and his faithfulness, for the Lord gave you into my hand today, and I would not put out my hand against the Lord's anointed.

Again, there are many examples of people being described as righteous who did not keep the law perfectly. I'm not sure why you refuse to accept this obvious truth. Or would say that this verse isn't talking about anyone because there is no one who would qualify that the Lord would reward?

There are none who are righteous, none. Romans 3:10

 

[Soyeong]

Does it say the works of the law are not of faith, or does it say the law is not of faith?

The context is works of law. God's law was always intended to be kept by faith in a way that built a relationship between Him and His people:

Habakkuk 2:4 “Behold, his soul is puffed up; it is not upright within him, but the righteous shall live by his faith.

In other words, the righteous trust God to lead them into doing what is right and God have instructions for how to do what is right in His law. However, when you have works of law that are about what you need to do in order to become justified, then there is no faith involved.