True Justification, works of the Law of Moses, & Conditional Security

[stuart lawrence]

Stuart: Also, I do not break the moral law on the inside on a daily basis. This lets me know that you do not keep the moral law because you don't think it is possible that I can do so (or anyone for that matter). But I am here to tell you ... that with God... all things are possible.


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So if you don't break the moral law on the inside on a DAILY basis you obviously do break it to reply as you did, so my statement was right
You see Jason, you cannot live up to in your own life what you demand of others
Do you really think there is a pass mark of obedience to the law to attain heaven? There is only one 100% perfect obedience. According to james you have broken the whole law(james2:10) by slipping sometimes breaking the moral law on the inside. You need to open your eyes to the truth

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Again, the presumption of Protestants that they are the only ones that count, despite the fact that they are a minority in the Christian world.

I am not Protestant. I am not affiliated with any major branch that has a denominational name. I am merely a Christian that believes in the Word of God and seeks to honor what God says in it (By letting Christ and His words live in me).


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[stuart lawrence]

So you think the pages of the New Testament is a literal letter to be ignored?


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The Pharisees had the literal letter but they didn't understand the message did they

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So if you don't break the moral law on the inside on a DAILY basis you obviously do break it to reply as you did, so my statement was right
You see Jason, you cannot live up to in your own life what you demand of others
Do you really think there is a pass mark of obedience to the law to attain heaven? There is only one 100% perfect obedience. According to games you have broken the whole law(james2:10) by slipping sometimes breaking the moral law on the inside. You need to open your eyes to the truth

Confession of sin gets us right with God (1 John 1:9). Not as a license to sin or to continue in our sin thinking we will forever be enslaved to it, but so that we can overcome sin.


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[Bible Highlighter]

The Pharisees had the literal letter but they didn't understand the message did they

Yes, and you are failing to explain what 1 Peter 4:1 and Galatians 5:24 are actually saying.

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[stuart lawrence]

Confession of sin gets us right with God. Not as a license to sin or to continue in our sin thinking we will forever be enslaved to it, but so that we can overcome sin.


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Whoever keeps the whole law and stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it james 2:10you break it. Now place those scriptures before me please, attach them to Thi reply

 

[stuart lawrence]

Yes, and you are failing to explain what 1 Peter 4:1 and Galatians 5:24 are actually saying.

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Gal 5:24 tells us in our new nature we crucify the sinful nature and its passions, we don't want them. But we still fail because the flesh has not been born again. As you fail Jason, just like the rest of us

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Yes, James is saying you cannot be a respecter of persons otherwise you are breaking the whole law. Unlike Paul (who referred to the Law as in reference to the Law of Moses), James is talking about the current Law of God for the New Covenant believer. James is not teaching us that we can live however we like and still be saved. On the contrary, he says faith without works (God directed works) is dead.


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[stuart lawrence]

Confession of sin gets us right with God (1 John 1:9). Not as a license to sin or to continue in our sin thinking we will forever be enslaved to it, but so that we can overcome sin.


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Now you are forgetting what you said it meant to be born again aren't you. No licence to sin for those born again

 

[stuart lawrence]

Yes, James is saying you cannot be a respecter of persons otherwise you are breaking the whole law. Unlike Paul (who referred to the Law as in reference to the Law of Moses), James is talking about the current Law of God for the New Covenant believer. James is not teaching us that we can live however we like and still be saved. On the contrary, he says faith without works (God directed works) is dead.


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You are forgetting again what born again entails. Don't keep forgetting!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Gal 5:24 tells us in our new nature we crucify the sinful nature and its passions, we don't want them. But we still fail because the flesh has not been born again. As you fail Jason, just like the rest of us

There is your addition to Scripture. You ADD and say but we still fail (Which changes the entire meaning of that verse).


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[Bible Highlighter]

You are forgetting again what born again entails. Don't keep forgetting!

I can say the same for you. Born again means you are a new creation in Christ. A new born again person is not going to be like the old man, but they are going to be like the new man where all things are new in Christ.


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[stuart lawrence]

There is your addition to Scripture. You ADD and say but we still fail (Which changes the entire meaning of that verse).


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So are you condemned Jason for failing to crucify your flesh on the inside?

 

[stuart lawrence]

I can say the same for you. Born again means you are a new creation in Christ. A new born again person is not going to be like the old man, but they are going to be like the new man where all things are new in Christ.


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But you fail jadon don't you. Do you think God is going to overlook your faliures and condemn everyone else for theirs? Rom2:1-3

 

[stuart lawrence]

I can say the same for you. Born again means you are a new creation in Christ. A new born again person is not going to be like the old man, but they are going to be like the new man where all things are new in Christ.


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In your new nature you cannot sin, but in your flesh you can, as you do don't you

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So are you condemned Jason for failing to crucify your flesh on the inside?

It's an eventual result for all true believers. They that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. It is the maturity that they have reached in Christ. Granted, I said before that I believe Solomon and Samson were saved. I also believe the Tax Collector who cried out to have mercy on his being a sinner was saved, too. I believe there are cases where people have honestl struggled with sin and were saved. But I do not believe God would condone others into thinking that sin is no big deal (salvation wise), though. Sin always causes a separation between God and man. It is only thru Jesus whereby we can have salvation. For there is no other name under Heaven whereby we can be saved.

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[Bible Highlighter]

In your new nature you cannot sin, but in your flesh you can, as you do don't you

So you believe (like other OSAS proponents) that when you sin, you do so physically but not spiritually?

In other words, you believe that Christ automatically forgives all future sin. So you believe that the saint do not need to worry salvation wise if they indulge in porn on occasion, or if they lie, or if they have hate or unforgiveness in your heart towards someone.


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[stuart lawrence]

It's an eventual result for all true believers. They that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. It is the maturity that they have reached in Christ. Granted, I said before that I believe Solomon and Samson were saved. I also believe the Tax Collector who cried out to have mercy on his being a sinner was saved, too. I believe there are cases where people have honestl struggled with sin and were saved. But I do not believe God would condone others into thinking that sin is no big deal (salvation wise), though. Sin always causes a separation between God and man. It is only thru Jesus whereby we can have salvation. For there is no other name under Heaven whereby we can be saved.

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You are forgetting again. What did you say born again entails? No born again christian can believe sin is no big deal

 

[stuart lawrence]

So you believe (like other OSAS proponents) that when you sin, you do so physically but not spiritually?

Inyour new nature you do not sin in your flesh you do, did you not know that? Paul tells us that is the struggle spirit against flesh, if the flesh wins the flesh sins if the spirit wins you follow after the spirit

 

[Bible Highlighter]

But you fail jadon don't you. Do you think God is going to overlook your faliures and condemn everyone else for theirs? Rom2:1-3

Explain Romans 2:1-12 about how God will render to every man according to his deeds?