True Justification, works of the Law of Moses, & Conditional Security

[Bible Highlighter]

It's sad that you have such a dim view of the people whom God has redeemed, washed in Christ's Blood, forgiven, and justified. You seem to assume that they just aren't up to being a Christian. All except yourself, of course. It frustrates you that no one else here is giving your view any real traction, mostly because we can see it is flawed, negative, and does not reflect a true and accurate understanding of the Word of God.

It's not my view. It's the view of the Bible. All who proclaim to be a part of Christ's kingdom and commit sin or iniquity will be removed by Christ's angels at the end and thrown into the fire so as to be destroyed.

"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 13:41-42).


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[Bible Highlighter]

How can you compare the love of God to anything else.

That is your problem Jason, you for some reason do not understand deep love. A love that changes someone. A love that chooses God over themself. You just cannot fathom it.

What happened in your childhood that made you so logical and not spiritual? You read the Bible without any spiritual insight, without realizing that there is spiritual and carnal. God tells us to be in the spirit and not of ourselves and our own carnal, selfish nature.

Can you not see that God Himself came to earth, not as a King, but as a servant. One who washed the feet of His disciples. One who gave everything to others.

What part of Jesus Christ do you see in yourself?

Jesus was in constant communion with the Father. In prayer.

Where is the disconnect with you? I cannot figure it out.

What did Jesus tell us to pray? As a part of the Lord's prayer, He said lead us not into temptation. Why? Because Jesus says we are to be Holy as God is Holy.


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[ToBeLoved]

It's not my view. It's the view of the Bible. All who proclaim to be a part of Christ's kingdom and commit sin or iniquity will be removed by Christ's angels at the end and thrown into the fire so as to be destroyed.

"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 13:41-42).


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However, those who are in Christ and have forgiveness of sins are no longer doer's of iniquity nor do they offend God.

God raised Jesus from the dead, His ressurection proved that His sacrifice was accepted by the Father. And those who the Father has given to the Son, no one can take them out of His hands.

So, that verse being used against Christ's Own is not Biblical.

 

[ToBeLoved]

What did Jesus tell us to pray? As a part of the Lord's prayer, He said lead us not into temptation. Why? Because Jesus says we are to be Holy as God is Holy.


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That's your answer? I want more of an answer than that. Of course we do not want to be lead into temptation. Everybody would say that.

Jesus did not die because we are holy.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jason doesn't understand what it means to be born again. Many times he had been asked to explain it but never has. Being born again cuts out the licence to sin. We can only hope that one day the light of truth dawns on him

Not true at all. Being born again is to be transformed spiritually by the Holy Ghost. One is regenerated by the Spirit. So they are born of the Spirit. One is also born by water (or born by the incorruptiable seed of the written Word of God). For faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Being transformed spiritually by God means that you have a new heart and spirit with new desires. Christ (God) then lives within a person and does the good work in their lives. A believer is transformed by the renewing of their mind and all things have become new in Christ. They are no longer trapped by the old man and his sinful ways. Jesus was manifested to destroy the works of the devil in a believer's life. For he that is born of God does righteousness. He that commits sin is of the devil. For anyone who does evil hates the light unless their deeds should be reproved.


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[Bible Highlighter]

That's your answer? I want more of an answer than that. Of course we do not want to be lead into temptation. Everybody would say that.

Jesus did not die because we are holy.

Jesus died so as to save us from our sins. Jesus did not die so that we can continue in sin. For the law was not made for a righteous man but for the lawless and disobedient. Are you lawless and disobedient?

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[Bible Highlighter]

However, those who are in Christ and have forgiveness of sins are no longer doer's of iniquity nor do they offend God.

God raised Jesus from the dead, His ressurection proved that His sacrifice was accepted by the Father. And those who the Father has given to the Son, no one can take them out of His hands.

So, that verse being used against Christ's Own is not Biblical.

Where in the Bible does it say that you can sin or work iniquity and yet such sin and iniquity does not exist? I am sorry. I just do not see that teaching in the Bible. On the contrary, the Bible says he that commits sin is of the devil.


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[stuart lawrence]

Not true at all. Being born again is to be transformed spiritually by the Holy Ghost. One is regenerated by the Spirit. So they are born of the Spirit. One is also born by water (or born by the incorruptiable seed of the written Word of God). For faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Being transformed spiritually by God means that you have a new heart and spirit with new desires. Christ (God) then lives within a person and does the good work in their lives. A believer is transformed by the renewing of their mind and all things have become new in Christ. They are no longer trapped by the old man and his sinful ways. Jesus was manifested to destroy the works of the devil in a believer's life. For he that is born of God does righteousness. He that commits sin is of the devil. For anyone who does evil hates the light unless their deeds should be reproved.


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You started off alright! Being born again is a supernatural change in the believers life. They in their heart want to obey God for the law has been placed I their most inward parts. God will condemn no one who in their heart wants to obey him and has accepted hiscson as their saviour. If a person was not born again your message would have some credence, but they have been so it foes not

 

[stuart lawrence]

Jesus died so as to save us from our sins. Jesus did not die so that we can continue in sin. For the law was not made for a righteous man but for the lawless and disobedient. Are you lawless and disobedient?

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But how can Jesus save a person from their sins under your belief? It isn't possible.
A few of you have different views, but you all cling to a law of righteousness. Sadly roughly 80% or more of churchgoers do, i once did myself, but God was gracious to me and opened my eyes to the truth. So i know exactly where you are at jadon

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You started off alright! Being born again is a supernatural change in the believers life. They in their heart want to obey God for the law has been placed I their most inward parts. God will condemn no one who in their heart wants to obey him and has accepted hiscson as their saviour. If a person was not born again your message would have some credence, but they have been so it foes not

Then what you believe is not fair to Adam and Eve. You are better than they are. But see, God is not a respecter of persons. They once walked with God and sin caused a break between them and God. Why do you think we are any better?


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[stuart lawrence]

Where in the Bible does it say that you can sin or work iniquity and yet such sin and iniquity does not exist? I am sorry. I just do not see that teaching in the Bible. On the contrary, the Bible says he that commits sin is of the devil.


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You see Jason, on the inside you break the moral law of God, but you excuse it. That is what people with your beliefs fo.
You have to dumb down the standard the law sets. But see down you are troubled because you cannot practice what you preach

 

[Bible Highlighter]

But how can Jesus save a person from their sins under your belief? It isn't possible.
A few of you have different views, but you all cling to a law of righteousness. Sadly roughly 80% or more of churchgoers do, i once did myself, but God was gracious to me and opened my eyes to the truth. So i know exactly where you are at jadon

Actually no. More people believe in OSAS today than anything else. It is the popular teaching today of a doctrine that tickles people's ears.

Also, my salvation is based on God's grace by trusting that He died for me in my place. Salvation is not in anything I do. Salvation is in what Christ did for me and what He continues to do in my life.


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[Bible Highlighter]

You see Jason, on the inside you break the moral law of God, but you excuse it. That is what people with your beliefs fo.
You have to dumb down the standard the law sets. But see down you are troubled because you cannot practice what you preach

I believe 1 Peter 4:1, and Galatians 5:24. You may not believe those verses, but I do.


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[Meowzltov]

The law and Prophets was a reference to the old testament writings, foreseeing The Christ and the New Covenant, in which the Kingdom of God is preached.

When those good old Bereans got out their Bibles and searched them, guess what they were searching? The law and the prophets.

 

[Meowzltov]

Actually no. More people believe in OSAS today than anything else. It is the popular teaching today of a doctrine that tickles people's ears.

Again, the presumption of Protestants that they are the only ones that count, despite the fact that they are a minority in the Christian world.

 

[stuart lawrence]

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Then what you believe is not fair to Adam and Eve. You are better than they are. But see, God is not a respecter of persons. They once walked with God and sin caused a break between them and God. Why do you think we are any better?


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nope, as Paul said. No good thing dwelleth I his flesh so it is for all of us. I am no better than Ada and eve in my flesh, neither are you, but the christian is born again of the spirit

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Stuart: Also, I do not break the moral law on the inside on a daily basis. This lets me know that you do not keep the moral law because you don't think it is possible that I can do so (or anyone for that matter). But I am here to tell you ... that with God... all things are possible.

For I asked you to send me a PM in regards to if you did certain grievious sins on a daily basis or not. Your sllence shows to me that you would be embarrased to admit the fruits of your belief.


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[Bible Highlighter]

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nope, as Paul said. No good thing dwelleth I his flesh so it is for all of us. I am no better than Ada and eve in my flesh, neither are you, but the christian is born again of the spirit

I agree that I am nothing and that Christ is everything and there is none good but God. I believe it is God that does the good work thru me (By a changed or regenerated spirit He gave me).


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[stuart lawrence]

I believe 1 Peter 4:1, and Galatians 5:24. You may not believe those verses, but I do. Also, I do not break the moral law on the inside on a daily basis. This lets me know that you do not keep the moral law because you don't think it is possible that I can do so (or anyone for that matter). But I am here to tell you ... that with God... all things are possible.


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I believe 1 Peter 4:1, and Galatians 5:24. You may not believe those verses, but I do.


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But you only have the literal letter ad I once had. You are not sinless on the inside Jason. So you have not crucified your flesh ad you state it must be crucified

 

[Bible Highlighter]

But you only have the literal letter ad I once had. You are not sinless on the inside Jason. So you have not crucified your flesh ad you state it must be crucified

So you think the pages of the New Testament is a literal letter to be ignored?


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