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True Human Being?
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It depends on how you mean "true." When I worked in a bicycle shop, if a bicycle rim was misaligned, it was said to be "out of true." We would correct that by tightening and loosening various spokes as necessary to bring it into alignment. That is called "truing a wheel."
"Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is." 1 John 3:2 NKJV
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"True" is another way of saying "faithful."
A true human being living in the flesh type of "true" or do we mean our journey with Christ type of "true" human being? If you know what I mean..
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In order to have an answer that means anything, you need to define what "true human" is, or at least, how you are using the word "true?"
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Allowing the Holy Spirit to bring you through the sanctification process.
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I used to participate on a forum at a true hermits' site, Hermitary - the hermit, hermits, eremitism, solitude, silence, and simplicity, which is an excellent site if you're interested in the eremitic life. I found it slightly humorous that they had a forum at all, but then I realized they had something like 12 postings a year. You'd post something and get your first response a month later and your second six months after that. Now they have no forum at all.
Regarding a True Human Being, I think we'd have to say the biblical account of Adam and Eve tells us what a true human being looks like. I think this is the entire point of the account: "This is, unfortunately, what a human being is." I don't know that it would be accurate to say that a human being who is supernaturally redeemed and transformed thereby becomes a True Human Being. He or she becomes a Sanctified and Transformed Human Being.
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Until I hear his definition of "true," then I might take the other position. Since God didn't create Adam equal to God, and even created him knowing he would fall (yes, I can prove that), then being truly human is to be less than divine. It is the divine the true human should seek, but is in and of himself, not divine.
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That's a reasonable point. I take the orthodox position that Christ is fully human and fully divine. If he is fully human, then it seems reasonable to me that he not only reveals true divinity but also true humanity.
@AvisG makes an interesting point in regards to Adam and Eve representing God's ideal for humanity. My hesitation in that regard is I am torn between an Irenaean and an Augustinian view of the state of first humanity. If they were created "perfect" and then fell it makes sense they are the ideal. If, on the other hand, they were created spiritually immature in order to grow into maturity, then Christ is the ideal into which we are being transformed from one degree of glory to another, so to speak.
Whatever the case, I know I have a ways to go.
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I agree in principle however...where Adam (and Yeshua) were born without sin...we aren't. We are born into a condition they weren't. Don't misunderstand...I believe we can walk in righteousness and deeply desire it, which, in the end, it probably as good an answer to the OP as we can muster.That's a reasonable point. I take the orthodox position that Christ is fully human and fully divine. If he is fully human, then it seems reasonable to me that he not only reveals true divinity but also true humanity.
@AvisG makes an interesting point in regards to Adam and Eve representing God's ideal for humanity. My hesitation in that regard is I am torn between an Irenaean and an Augustinian view of the state of first humanity. If they were created "perfect" and then fell it makes sense they are the ideal. If, on the other hand, they were created spiritually immature in order to grow into maturity, then Christ is the ideal into which we are being transformed from one degree of glory to another, so to speak.
Whatever the case, I know I have a ways to go.
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At the age of 77, it's ever growing fatigue, stiffness, a shrinking energy pool, joint and muscle pain, loss of family and friends as they die before you, and the growing realization that it's OVER. What you have done is what you could do, it's too late to start over, and the future is simply an increasing physical/mental struggle to hold what capability you have, and shed what you can no longer support, till it's over, and IF you're Born Again, then a new eternal beginning.
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Great analogy. I check my wheels regularly, especially before a race.
Great verse too. So, the true human being is like the spirit of God within us. Do you know what that is like to live life as a spirit of God with a human body?
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