True Human Being?

[Lady Donna Marie]

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[Ken Rank]

Eve too was created sinless until her and Adam decided to change that.

I don't think "decided to change that" truly portrays the story. Eve was deceived, and there is a huge difference between falling for a lie and deliberately rebelling. Now Adam KNEW, and he still chose to eat. We can speculate why, I have some thoughts, but for this thread, I am not sure that one line is accurate. Respectfully.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What is it like to be a True Human Being?

For multitudes of multitudes, horrible.

 

[Lady Donna Marie]

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[Ahermit]

What is it like to be a True Human Being?

For multitudes of multitudes, horrible.

So, for many it would be horrible to be a True Human Being. Why?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What is it like to be a True Human Being?

So, for many it would be horrible to be a True Human Being. Why?

No.
You did not ask what "would be horrible".
You asked "what is it like".

See what the Bible says , not what men think, to see what human beings are, and what their future is too, i.e. what they all are destined for, mostly.

Always, always, always, stick with Scripture.

 

[Ahermit]

No.
You did not ask what "would be horrible".
You asked "what is it like".

See what the Bible says , not what men think, to see what human beings are, and what their future is too, i.e. what they all are destined for, mostly.

Always, always, always, stick with Scripture.

And where is your scripture?

Seriously, you are referring to humans who are basing life on 'self', as opposed on our innermost being (living being/soul). If we did base our life on what we know is true (innermost being), then we would be true human beings.

Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Proverbs 20:27 The spirit of a man is the lamp of the LORD, searching out his inmost being.

1John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

The true human being references life from. . .
john 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

And where is your scripture?

First I must ask if you believe all Scripture is Inspired by Yahweh and is Truth as Jesus Says with all the Apostles and disciples in the NT.
Also, so there's no misunderstanding (we might never be in agreement if this is seen otherwise) >
do you believe it is horrible for a soul (a person) to be resurrected to judgment instead of to life with Jesus ?

 

[Ahermit]

First I must ask if you believe all Scripture is Inspired by Yahweh and is Truth as Jesus Says with all the Apostles and disciples in the NT.
Also, so there's no misunderstanding (we might never be in agreement if this is seen otherwise) >
do you believe it is horrible for a soul (a person) to be resurrected to judgment instead of to life with Jesus ?

Yes to the first; though others may interpret Scripture according to what they want to hear.

All will be judged by Truth, regardless if they themselves believe they live the life with Jesus.

Revelation 22:14 "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

It is bad enough to awaken to the Truth while still alive, and discover that your whole life was for nothing (empty of any truth). And in that 'knowing' to realize that nearly everybody else, including most so-called Christians, will discover the same _ that their soul has been denied, by self, all their life, even though they do not think so.

In regards to a person as a soul, and personality, is based on their collections of beliefs, regardless if they are true or not. What beliefs are true, will remain with the soul. Whatever beliefs are not true, and still harbored in the soul, will stop the soul entering through the gates into the city.

Revelations 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood."

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It is bad enough to awaken to the Truth while still alive, and discover that your whole life was for nothing (empty of any truth). And in that 'knowing' to realize that nearly everybody else, including most so-called Christians, will discover the same _ that their soul has been denied, by self, all their life, even though they do not think so.

That seems pretty horrible to me too.

Also, in the Apocalypse (Revelation) , "the rest of mankind will REFUSE TO REPENT...." referring to two-thirds at least, of the population of earth, when one third (believing or not) has been killed as written ...

So for most humans, which are mostly doomed, it is pretty horrible, isn't it ?

And where is your scripture?

 

[Ahermit]

That seems pretty horrible to me too.

Also, in the Apocalypse (Revelation) , "the rest of mankind will REFUSE TO REPENT...." referring to two-thirds at least, of the population of earth, when one third (believing or not) has been killed as written ...

So for most humans, which are mostly doomed, it is pretty horrible, isn't it ?

But these humans are not 'true', or living the way, the truth, and the life of a Being.

For the Being, the spirit of God within, which knows the truth, does not recognize what is not true.

Luke 13:27 "But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'

Only the 'self' constructed identity, as being a some-body, feels and thinks death as horrible. It fears losing all its life long work for validity (all because it already knows it is invalid).

Matthew 10:39 "Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it."

Is often misunderstood when it comes to 'self', or the false-self. For what do we use to find our life but our ego-self which only looks for what it wants and needs for validity. Whatever it finds will be empty of truth, because we can never find truth by our 'self'. The best we can do is no longer trust self, but have unconditional faith in what we know is true. So, we lose self for the sake of Truth to find REAL life. Hence, the false human self becomes the true human being.

Those that identify with self, as a some-body, will die with their body.
Those that identify with being, as a no-body, will not experience death; only their body will.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I think that that's a pretty horrible way of trying to see whatever it is .....

 

[Ken Rank]

According to Genesis 1:26-27 Adam and Eve were created before the instructions of the tree of good and evil.

26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Then in Genesis 3:1 it brings up Eve telling the serpent about the tree that God told them not to eat.

Genesis 3:1
1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

So from what I am getting from the Bible they both knew equally and both choosed to disobey whether they were tricked by the serpent themselves or by the serpents influence that was allowed to be in Eve after she disobeyed. Adam could have said no, but he didn't. Adam could have been looking out for Eve, but was elsewhere. Eve could have said no, but didn't. They both had their own will to freely choose and they both freely choose to directly disobey the words from God.

That's why I said they decided to change because they had a life that was full of everything they needed, but after disobeying they received a life that meant all would have to die. Sometimes people are tempted when they don't know what something means and or don't trust/believe what is given to them and end up suffering the consequences of their actions. Adam and Eve were told that they would die. My guess this that they didn't know what dying meant until they were confronted with God and knew there was a big difference in the life they had to the life they were going to live.

They may have been created before the instruction not to eat was given, but they hadn't sinned (broken a commandment/instruction) until the command to not eat was given. Sin is the breaking of commandments (1 John 3:4) but we don't see rebellion in this story... we see somebody acting because they were deceived. There is a difference between knowing what God wants and falling prey to some kind of lie or deception.... and knowing what God wants and deliberately choosing against His will. Eve wasn't given the commandment from God, Adam was and Eve was deceived. If anything, Adam rebelled because he KNEW what God wanted. However, we could view his action as a messianic picture... sacrificing himself for his bride.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What is it like to be a True Human Being?

The word Human is not in the Bible. The idea though is that man has the breath of life. He is spiritual and has a spiritual soul. This is different from the soul that dwells in animals or our physical body.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The word Human is not in the Bible. The idea though is that man has the breath of life. He is spiritual and has a spiritual soul. This is different from the soul that dwells in animals or our physical body.

It may well be.
As written: Yahweh (the Creator) is not human ("not man") that He could lie.

 

[Ahermit]

Genesis

The word Human is not in the Bible. The idea though is that man has the breath of life. He is spiritual and has a spiritual soul. This is different from the soul that dwells in animals or our physical body.

How is having a spiritual soul different to having a soul dwelling in our physical body?
Are you saying we have two souls?

 

[joshua 1 9]

How is having a spiritual soul different to having a soul dwelling in our physical body? Are you saying we have two souls?

Actually I got that from Rabbi Friedman on youtube. He talks about what can and can not die. The body returns to the earth and the soul goes to Heaven.

"Rabbi Friedman is a renown Jewish Rabbi, inspirational speaker, and teacher who imparts wisdom with no-nonsense and gentle humor. He offers guidance about how to live a Jewish life full of meaning. In the video, “The Soul and the Afterlife: Where do We Go from Here”, he discusses the Jewish belief, Hell, life after death, the nature of the soul, and so on. He begins with a few charming anecdotes, which illustrate the fluidity of belief about the afterlife that exists in Judaism, and goes on to examine closely the different aspects of this subject."

 

[joshua 1 9]

It may well be.
As written: Yahweh (the Creator) is not human ("not man") that He could lie.

That is why Adam is a paradox. He stands between Heaven and Earth. To either connect or to seperate. "In the beginning God created Heaven and earth"(Genesis 1:1) On the sixth day God created man. "God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth.” (Genesis 1:28)

In the word Adam the A represents the first letter of the alphabet. This is the beginning or the head. The d represents the door and who has control over the door. Jesus said: I am the door. The m represents living water. The river of life that proceeds from the Throne of God.

 

[Ahermit]

Actually I got that from Rabbi Friedman on youtube. He talks about what can and can not die. The body returns to the earth and the soul goes to Heaven.

"Rabbi Friedman is a renown Jewish Rabbi, inspirational speaker, and teacher who imparts wisdom with no-nonsense and gentle humor. He offers guidance about how to live a Jewish life full of meaning. In the video, “The Soul and the Afterlife: Where do We Go from Here”, he discusses the Jewish belief, Hell, life after death, the nature of the soul, and so on. He begins with a few charming anecdotes, which illustrate the fluidity of belief about the afterlife that exists in Judaism, and goes on to examine closely the different aspects of this subject."

So you do not know . . .

Genesis
How is having a spiritual soul different to having a soul dwelling in our physical body?
Are you saying we have two souls?

 

[joshua 1 9]

So you do not know . . .

I do not know, this came from man. It is not something the Holy Spirit was showing me.