Trolls????

[Serapha]

Hello, just to let you know, one of the arguments that many Christian scholars and critics try to make is that the Book of Mormon is indeed Christian in it's theology, but the LDS Churches practices and doctrines otherwise that developed later over time afterwards are not.
So, critics can't have it BOTH WAYS.

It is either/or, but you can't have it both ways, cause both can't be true.
Thus, another example that critics don't know anything about the Church.
They just throw out whatever personal opinion they have from their first look, not at all based on what is actually "true" or not, from balanced and thorough scholarship.

Hi there!





The book of mormon is not supported by historical evidences, archaeological evidences, or linguistical evidences, but only by the church itself and its members.


I don't "ask" for it to be "both ways".


Now... I said, as long as you are trolling, that I would keep preaching.


It's time that you made a decision... whether to keep your faith in a weakened, watered-down Jesus or put your faith in a Christ that changes people and circumstances.


~serapha~

 

[Serapha]

Hi! Your data is a bit old (1982). I can't find it at the moment the well known work I'm refering too.
However, I also heard from another individual that the most recent work now indicates 70,000 +, but I've never seen those statistics personally, so I didn't use them.

Hi there!



It doesn't matter what the "data" says... it only matters what God's word says...


"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ"


~serapha~

 

[BigMack]

LOL Are you saying that it has grown from 21 denominations to 70,000.

All this proves is you did not read the article.

I thought it was 30,000, where have I been?

Blessed you friend .

 

[unbound]

Hello, just to let you know, one of the arguments that many Christian scholars and critics try to make is that the Book of Mormon is indeed Christian in it's theology, but the LDS Churches practices and doctrines otherwise that developed later over time afterwards are not.
So, critics can't have it BOTH WAYS.

It is either/or, but you can't have it both ways, cause both can't be true.
Thus, another example that critics don't know anything about the Church.
They just throw out whatever personal opinion they have from their first look, not at all based on what is actually "true" or not, from balanced and thorough scholarship.

Christians know that satan can be very deceptive. He will tell you a 9 truths in order for you to believe one lie. Ill agree that many of the lines in the BoM are true, they were copied directly from the Bible. On the other hand, the LDS have believed the one lie, that God is not the ONLY God for eternity.

Isaiah 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isaiah 44:
24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;


Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Isaiah45:
5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

 

[Suzannah]

I don't know what the data says. I don't care. There's only a few numbers I care about:
One Christ.
One Resurrection
Three persons in one essence.

Light from Light, True God of True God. Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us!

 

[A New Dawn]

Christians know that satan can be very deceptive. He will tell you a 9 truths in order for you to believe one lie. Ill agree that many of the lines in the BoM are true, they were copied directly from the Bible. On the other hand, the LDS have believed the one lie, that God is not the ONLY God for eternity.

Isaiah 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isaiah 44:
24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;


Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Isaiah45:
5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Boy, I'm sure glad I'm not LDS.

These are great scriptures.

 

[rnmomof7]

I thought it was 30,000, where have I been?

Obviously on another forum :>)

Welcome Mack !!

 

[Suzannah]

I just remembered another special number:

One Incarnation

 

[rnmomof7]

Christians know that satan can be very deceptive. He will tell you a 9 truths in order for you to believe one lie. Ill agree that many of the lines in the BoM are true, they were copied directly from the Bible. On the other hand, the LDS have believed the one lie, that God is not the ONLY God for eternity.

Isaiah 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isaiah 44:
24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;


Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Isaiah45:
5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Excellent observation

 

[usetheforce]

What's excellent about it? We believe the same scriptures.....

 

[usetheforce]

The book of mormon is not supported by historical evidences, archaeological evidences, or linguistical evidences, but only by the church itself and its members.

That statement is blatatly false, for there is plenty of evidence for all three.
Of course, that is if you have the Faith to look for it without judgement, and then to find it without judgement, and then to study it honestly without judgement.

Start reading:

http://www.ancientamerica.org/
http://farms.byu.edu
http://www.fairlds.org
http://www.nephiproject.com

.... because there is Plenty in those three areas. So a person definately doesn't have to only rely on the Church or it's members. I didn't when I converted.

 

[unbound]

What's excellent about it? We believe the same scriptures.....

And here we are again.....Ok, tell me, usetheforce. Tell me how you can believe these scriptures and also believe men will also become Gods.

 

[Serapha]

What's excellent about it? We believe the same scriptures.....

Hi there!

he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things;

Do you believe that Jesus Christ makes all things? or that he is just a spirit brother to every other creation?


~serapha~

 

[Serapha]

That statement is blatatly false, for there is plenty of evidence for all three.
Of course, that is if you have the Faith to look for it without judgement, and then to find it without judgement, and then to study it honestly without judgement.

Start reading:

http://www.ancientamerica.org/
http://farms.byu.edu
http://www.fairlds.org
http://www.nephiproject.com

.... because there is Plenty in those three areas. So a person definately doesn't have to only rely on the Church or it's members. I didn't when I converted.

You're talking to the wrong member when you post those sources....


Grief....

You need to "READ" this forum.


~serapha~

 

[Serapha]

BWT...





There's plenty of responses to your "links" that have gone unanswered on this forum... perhaps, in your "knowledge" you would care to take on some of those unanswered questions?



I particularly like George Potter's article concerning the "Biblical Scholarship Supports the Book of Mormon"... the suggestion that the bom was supported by the Documentary Hypothesis. That response is still unaddressed as was my posting yesterday concerning the tombs in mesoamerica which held bodies with broken bones in the arms, something that is unattainable in studying the bom concerning warfare.


You've barked up the wrong tree on archaeology, my friend.


~serapha~

 

[usetheforce]

Yes, but you've only "glossed" over the sites, you haven't actually honestly studied most of the materials.
I've been here and lots of other places observing peoples interactions about this Church for some time, so I'm very familiar with your words.

This is my coming out party!

 

[Serapha]

Yes, but you've only "glossed" over the sites, you haven't actually honestly studied most of the materials.
I've been here and lots of other places observing peoples interactions about this Church for some time, so I'm very familiar with your words.

This is my coming out party!

Hi there!

so I'm very familiar with your words.

Okay, you win.


enlighten me... what did I say that you are familiar with?


~serapha~

 

[AFD]

Well, I certainly do like to give the benefit of any doubt...so I went to the source and verified the veracity of the now "infamous rumour". I am smart enough to comprehend what I read. What I read was a planned attack by some LDS posters, two to be exact if I recall correctly, AFD and Winnie G, who did indeed show up here with hostile attitudes, and many offensive statements. Indeed, at the "source" there were even posts naming people from CF who were to "be avoided". How nice. How "Christian". How childish.
Please do not tell me that I misread or did not understand their intentions or in any way imply that I am not smart enough to add 1+1.

Suzannah...don't look now but you ARE wrong. I NEVER posted names of people on here to avoid because I DON'T KNOW WHO TO AVOID.

My intentions were simple. I was under the impression that a small group of LDS posters were here answering questions and needed help. I wasn't aware it was a bunch of close minded "so-called Christians" who had only anti-mormon intentions and were attacking LDS and the church.

Truthfully I'm sad to see that's what it is. I've engaged in many discussions about the church that were very civil. But you see, that required the other participants to also act civially.

 

[Serapha]

I only ask that if you are going to address particular archaeological or historical evidences, that you open a new thread and that you don't hi-jack this one.


~serapha~

 

[happyinhisgrace]

That statement is blatatly false, for there is plenty of evidence for all three.
Of course, that is if you have the Faith to look for it without judgement, and then to find it without judgement, and then to study it honestly without judgement.

Start reading:

http://www.ancientamerica.org/
http://farms.byu.edu
http://www.fairlds.org
http://www.nephiproject.com

.... because there is Plenty in those three areas. So a person definately doesn't have to only rely on the Church or it's members. I didn't when I converted.

These are ALL lds idea promoting sites which we on this forum have read and been directed to repeatedly. Do you have any nuetral or non-lds sites you can direct us to?

Grace