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Paul S

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Ann M said:
Finally.....

April 5

In Africa, during the persecution of the Arian king Genseric, the holy martyrs who were murdered in the church on Easter day. The lector, while singing "Alleluia" at the lectern, was pierced through the throat by an arrow.


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That's it. :)

That was read during Eastertide this year, but it can fall during Lent or Passiontide.

And what's that smiley doing?
 
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Ann M said:
You know that you're up there with my "Body Combat" instructor, hey? I have a love/hate relationship with BOTH of you!! :p

And yet you always come back for more. :D

I've already provided the next question, too.
 
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On the Saturday before the Sunday which falls between January 2nd and 5th inclusive;
of if there be no Sunday between those days, then on January 1st

Festum sanctíssimi Nóminis Jesu.


The Feast of the most holy Name of Jesus.

On the Saturday before the Sunday which may fall on the 7th to the 12th of January inclusive,
and if there be no Sunday therein, then on the weekday which is nearest to the Office of the Holy Family

Festum sanctæ Famíliæ Jesu, Maríæ, Joseph; ex qua Christiánis familiis sanctíssima proponúntur exempla, et opportuna invocántur auxilia.
The Feast of the Holy Family of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, by which a most holy example is afforded to Christian families who properly invoke their aid.

On the Saturday before Septuagesima Sunday
Dominica Septuagesimæ, in qua depónitur Canticum Dómini Allelúja.
Septuagesima Sunday, on which the canticle of the Lord, Alleluia, ceaseth to be said.


:scratch: :scratch: hold on we're missing something here.....



If Septuagesima Sunday is on January 18, how many Sundays after Epiphany are celebrated?


There is one Sunday after Ephinany, but there are NO "Sundays after Epiphany" :p :p
 
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Ann M said:
You realise (of course) That the last time (that I can find) that Septuagesima was on January 18 was in 1845? :eek:

Septuagesima Sunday was January 19 that year, just as it will be in 2008.

The last time it was on January 18, which means the earliest possible Easter of March 22, was 1818. The next will be 2285. It's the rarest of all possible dates.

And you're right about the Holy Family and no "Sundays after Epiphany".

Until 1962, the Mass for the First Sunday after Epiphany, by the way, is no longer celebrated, since there was no place for it. When the Octave was suppressed, the ferias of that week became free.

In the Missal, there are six Sundays after Epiphany. Where do the other five go?
 
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Paul S said:
Septuagesima Sunday was January 19 that year, just as it will be in 2008.

The last time it was on January 18, which means the earliest possible Easter of March 22, was 1818. The next will be 2285. It's the rarest of all possible dates.

My mistake. crumbs... :idea: But did you know that the one before that was 1761!
Paul S said:
In the Missal, there are six Sundays after Epiphany. Where do the other five go?

:scratch: Another trick question?

Or are they the ones that end up at the other end of Easter and become Ordinary Sundays between Pentecost & Advent?
 
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Ann M said:
My mistake. crumbs... :idea: But did you know that the one before that was 1761!

Yep. :)

There have only been 15, but a few don't count because they occurred before Nicaea, when the rules were odd, and we don't know when Easter was celebrated then.


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:scratch: Another trick question?

Or are they the ones that end up at the other end of Easter and become Ordinary Sundays between Pentecost & Advent?

Nothing tricky here. You're right about them getting moved to after Pentecost, but be a bit more specific. :)

And in some years, one of them cannot be moved to this time. Under the 1962 rubrics, it's dropped that year, but before then, where did it go?
 
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If there should be more than twenty-four Sundays after Pentecost, the Masses after the twenty-third will be of those Sundays after Epiphany which were passed over, and the following is the order to be observed:

If there be twenty-five Sundays, on the twenty-fourth is said the Mass and Gospel of the Sixth Sunday after Epiphany.

If there be twenty-six Sundays, on the twenty-fourth is said the Mass and Gospel of the Fifth, and on the twenty-fifth, that of the Sixth after Epiphany.

If there be twenty-seven Sundays, on the twenty-fourth is said the Mass of the Fourth; and on the twenty-fifth, that of the Fifth; on the twenty-sixth, that of the Sixth after Epiphany.

If there be twenty-eight, on the twenty-fourth is said the Mass of thr Third; on the twenty-fifth, that of the Fourth; on the twenty-sixth, that of the Fifth; on the twenty-seventh, that of the Sixth after Epiphany.

The Mass and gospel of the twenty-fourth are always to be said on the last Sunday after Pentecost.


And I don't know :)
 
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Ann M said:
Are you sure? I seem to be coming up with alot of references for Sermons for the Third Sunday after Epiphany for 2005 :scratch:

Any of them Catholic? I'm guessing not.

A lot of the Protestant churches who follow the Catholic calendar still have "Sundays after Epiphany" and "Sundays after Pentecost" instead of "Ordinary Time", but they've dropped Septuagesima. Without Septuagesima, there would indeed be a Third Sunday after Epiphany.

Another quick search reveals Anglican and Lutheran sermons and readings for the Ninth Sunday after Epiphany, which doesn't exist on the Catholic calendar, six being the maximum.
 
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Paul S said:
And to get all I can out of this series of questions ;), how many Sundays after Pentecost are there if Easter is on April 25?

The year is 2038.

Sunday Cycle A
Weekday Cycle 2
Last Week/Ord/Before Lent 9
First Week/Ord/After Lent 11
Baptism of the Lord 10 January
Last Sunday/Ord/Before Lent7 March
Ash Wednesday 10 March
Easter 25 April
Ascension Thursday 3 June
Pentecost 13 June
Holy Trinity 20 June
Corpus Christi 27 June
Advent 28 November

23 Sundays.
Thanks to here and here.
 
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