Trinity

[Peterson]

Hey, there DA,
I see you are your usual jolly self. In response, I'm afraid you said nothing, and without referring to Scriptures, except one.

When you referred to Philippeans 2, I take it you mean verse 2: "Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves."

This vey forum does not define one as a Christian unless he accepts the creeds, this being one. Accordingly, he is defined as one outside the salvific grace of Christ and condemned.

Modalism? Trinitarians don't have a clue what the trinity is in any form. They, after all their postulating, throw up there hands and say that God is a complete mystery beyond human understanding, but accept the idea of a trinity or go to hell. The meaning of this doctrine has been argued for 1800 years and people have been killed as a result, and the brightest trinitarian minds still argue over it.

An article in Christianity Today (April 28, 1997), "Adding up the Trinity," states: "For most people and sadly, for most Christians also, the Trinity is the great unknown. The Trinity, to use a familiar equation, is viewed as a riddle wrapped up inside a puzzle and buried in an enigma. A riddle, for how can any entity be at the same time multiple (three) yet singular (one)? A puzzle, for the Trinity is is so clearly contrary to any rational thought as not to warrant a second thought from sensible people. An enigma, for even if the Trinity could be understood, of what practical value, even what religious value, would it have for ordinary people?"

 

[Der Alte]

Hey, there DA,
I see you are your usual jolly self. In response, I'm afraid you said nothing, and without referring to Scriptures, except one.

When you referred to Philippeans 2, I take it you mean verse 2: "Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves."

Philippians chapter 2, especially verse 6 through 11. And OBTW even with only one passage of scripture that is more than you posted in your usupported diatribe.

This vey forum does not define one as a Christian unless he accepts the creeds, this being one. Accordingly, he is defined as one outside the salvific grace of Christ and condemned.

A false assumption not supported by the evidence, which OBTW you did not post.

Modalism? Trinitarians don't have a clue what the trinity is in any form.

Irrelevant! What does the Trinity have to do with whether or not you know and can accurately articulate modalism?

They, after all their postulating, throw up there hands and say that God is a complete mystery beyond human understanding, but accept the idea of a trinity or go to hell. The meaning of this doctrine has been argued for 1800 years and people have been killed as a result, and the brightest trinitarian minds still argue over it.

Nonsense! Go to a web browser and type Trinity and see if you don't get more hits than you can handle. Just because you never understood the Bible, Christianity, or the Trinity, doesn't mean others are similarly handicapped.

An article in Christianity Today (April 28, 1997), "Adding up the Trinity," states: "For most people and sadly, for most Christians also, the Trinity is the great unknown. The Trinity, to use a familiar equation, is viewed as a riddle wrapped up inside a puzzle and buried in an enigma. A riddle, for how can any entity be at the same time multiple (three) yet singular (one)? A puzzle, for the Trinity is is so clearly contrary to any rational thought as not to warrant a second thought from sensible people. An enigma, for even if the Trinity could be understood, of what practical value, even what religious value, would it have for ordinary people?"

Is this supposed to be relevant to anything? One out-of-context quote, supposedly from a Christian magazine, without any supporting evidence whatsoever, does NOT prove anything about anything, especially the doctrines of Christianity. Can you produce objective evidence of any controlled scientific study of this among a represenatative sampling of the various denominations?

Have you read "The Forgotten Trinity by James White, The Trinity, Evidence and Issues., by Robert Morey, or Why You Should Believe in the Trinity, by Robert Bowman? No confusion about the Trinity there and I don't recall seeing the word mystery, even once.

 

[Peterson]

DA
Try reading rule # 6. I was told that I could not post in any area that was for Christians only, and am considered by this forum to be a nonchristian based on my nonacceptence of the Creeds.

All you have to do is read some of the posts here to see that there is a lot of disagreement by trinitarians, as to who, or who is not, a trinitarian. Your reference to Philippians, has nothing to do with a triune, coequal godhead, but shows the relationship between the Father ans Son. Verses 5 and 13 tell us clearly that the Spirit is Christ and the Father in us, and in no way indicates a third person of a trinity.

Your basic arguments with everyone seem to consist of "irrelevent, nonsense and false assumption." You'll have to do better than that.

 

[rnmomof7]

hope you wont mind guys if i share my view.

it is indeed a biblical fact that the doctrine of trinity is unscriptural for no where in the bible will you find the word "trinity" nor a passage stating that there is ONLY ONE GOD EXISTING IN THREE PERSONS...what the bible clearly states about the Diety of the Godhead is this: There is only one God, The Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live... in one Lord Jesus Christ through whom all things came and through whom we live and in the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth who guides, teaches and reminds believers into all truth.

The word "bible" is not found in the Bible either, but we use it anyway. Also the words "omniscience," which means "all knowing," "omnipotence," which means "all powerful," and "omnipresence," which means "present everywhere," are not found in the Bible either. But we use these words to describe the attributes of God.

The words incarnation and rapture are not in the bible either

if trinitarians do insist that the doctrine of trinity is scriptural, then, let them present their biblical proofs, likewise, for them to present a biblical passage supporting such.

the fact is, the doctrine of trinity talks of the First, Second & Third Person,

(a) Did God ever claim in the New Testament that He is the first person of the trinity?

(b) Did Jesus ever claim in the New Testament that He is the second person of the trinity?

(c) Did the Holy Ghost ever make a statement to any of the ecclesiastical gentlemen that He is the third person of the trinity?


at any rate, guys, have a happy christmas ) cheers!

So are you a modolist ?

2 Cor. 13:14, The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

 

[Der Alte]

DA
Try reading rule # 6. I was told that I could not post in any area that was for Christians only, and am considered by this forum to be a nonchristian based on my nonacceptence of the Creeds.

Those are the rules for posting on this forum not, as you implied, beliefs held by all of Christianity. They serve to provide a forum for those who have similar beliefs to share and fellowship, apart from the arguments of others who do not hold the same views.

All you have to do is read some of the posts here to see that there is a lot of disagreement by trinitarians, as to who, or who is not, a trinitarian. Your reference to Philippians, has nothing to do with a triune, coequal godhead, but shows the relationship between the Father ans Son. Verses 5 and 13 tell us clearly that the Spirit is Christ and the Father in us, and in no way indicates a third person of a trinity.

I fail to see how a difference in understanding of some is relevant to anything. Perhaps you could quote from the statements of faith of major denominations and show disagreement. Philip. 2:6-11, were quite relevant to my response in context of the post I was responding to.

Verse 5 and 13 are irrelevant. As I have said before “The absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence.” If I follow your logic, Jesus only had three disciples because only Peter, James, and John are named as being on the mount of transfiguration with Him.

Your basic arguments with everyone seem to consist of You'll have to do better than that.

A very transparent falsehood. Oh, I definitely say that, but I also go on and explain why something is either "irrelevant, nonsense and false assumption.," as I have just done in the previous answer. So you will have to do better than that. Some historical or Biblical support, instead of empty argumentation, would help.

 

[rnmomof7]

Those are the rules for posting on this forum not, as you implied, beliefs held by all of Christianity. They serve to provide a forum for those who have similar beliefs to share and fellowship, apart from the arguments of others who do not hold the same views.

The churches consider the title Christian is the assent to the creeds. Those that deny the trinity are not considered Christians by any Christian church.

That is why the forum, is divided that way.


Churches like the LDS , the JW"s the UCoG are outside of professing Christianity.

 

[Serapha]

We know full well that Jehovah and Jesus are not the same person because Jehovah was in heaven when Jesus was being baptized. Jehovah's voice came down from heaven and said of Jesus.....that Jesus was his beloved, the one whom he approved.

Hi there!



That statement is only true from the wording of the New World Testament.



God's voice came down from heaven to state that Jesus was His beloved Son in whom He was well pleased.

~serapha~

 

[lared]

Well pleased.....fine.

Still two persons in two different locations at the same time.

I can't help but think of the story of the Emperor's New Clothes.

 

[G4m]

My understanding on the trinity is that it is false and hides that God is love:


1Jo 4:8 he who is not loving did not know God, because God is love.

Jesus is the truth of love:

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith to him, `I am the way, and the truth, and the life, no one doth come unto the Father, if not through me;

The Holy Spirit is God, but not a separate person:

Rom 5:5 and the hope doth not make ashamed, because the love of God hath been poured forth in our hearts through the Holy Spirit that hath been given to us.

Even Jesus, the truth, will submit to God, love so all that is left is love:

1Co 15:28 and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.

 

[Eliot]

The trinity is not a teaching in the "Bible".
You can debate over this until you are "blue in the face".
To understand where this trinity teaching starts to come in conflict with the real message, someone needs to study the origin of the name Jesus (Iesous)
And the generic titles "God, Lord", then maybe your eyes will begin to "see".

 

[Der Alte]

The trinity is not a teaching in the "Bible".
You can debate over this until you are "blue in the face".
To understand where this trinity teaching starts to come in conflict with the real message, someone needs to study the origin of the name Jesus (Iesous)
And the generic titles "God, Lord", then maybe your eyes will begin to "see".

I have heard all of that "sacred name" nonsense before at Eliyah's and other boards. And please do not insult our intelligence with some nonsense about the name Jesus or IesouV being the Greek god of healing or "healing Zeus" because it is rubbish.

Just for your information, Zeus was NOT pronounced the way Americans pronounce it, i.e. Zoose, rhymes with loose. In Greek the letter Z,z, is pronounced Tz, like the ts in the word lets. The e is not silent, it is pronounced as "eh," similar to the "e" in exit. And what none of the people who try to pass this junk off know, the u, was NOT pronounced as "u" it has a sound which does not occur naturally in English, sort of like pronouncing "oo" with the teeth together without rounding the lips. So "Zeus" would be pronounced as "Tzehüs" NOT "Zoose" therefore IesouV does not, in any way shape or form have any connection to the Greek deity Zeus.

And most of us have heard the irrelevant nonsense about the letter "J" So what? Many languages still pronounce the name the same way as the ancient Greeks, Ieeaysoos and every scholar I know of when reading Greek also pronounce it that way. Your other arguments about Lord and God are just as flimsy. But if you think you know something post it here and I will gladly show you the truth.

And I really don't care to hear any nonsense from His Slops "To Babble on," Koster's "Get Out of Here My Sheeple." or White's "Fossilized Customs"

PS: If you like I can post a link to a discussion I had with Lew White who wrote "Fossilized Customs" and he admits that none of the names he lists at his website, which supposedly honor "Zeus" actually do. But he disappeared from the discussion after saying that.

 

[Eliot]

Greetings Der Alter, [Edited by a moderator]
The mighty one of the Hebrews, the Scrolls, letters, are one subject,

The "Bible" filled with Greek, is another.

Whats in a name?

My Hebrew redeemer consists of letters handed down by the Almighty Himself, not Orthodox Jews and Roman Catholics.

YHSH' (The ' symbol in ancient originally written, was the symbol of an "eye" (a round circle with a dot in the center called the 'Ayin', this Ayin in the Hebrew scripts "translates" in English as "eye/s, yes indeed, The 'eyes' of the Almighty are in the very name of my Hebrew redeemer as well as every other important letter symboizing a specific characteristic, yes, the ONLY name that can redeem you.

Now lets take a look at your "Savior" from the Greek god "Salvator",

Jesus= Iesus=Iasus=Iesous=Ieso.

Now remeber, its not the English letters that matter, but the vocalization someone uses.

You said "eeaysoose" (Jesus) is no connection with "Zeus", lets take a closer look:

"Je" taken from "Ye", this prefix meaning "He is" andthe suffix soos/sus?
The closest meaning this suffix carries is of "Horse" in Hebrew, "He is Horse"?

Zeus was known as the "Horseman" or "Centaur" (half man half horse)

Any connection? I'll let you decide.

As far as "Saced" name, take a closer look at this "sacred" name, Yes, sacred deriving from another Greek "god"

P.S. thank you for correcting me on the Greek god "Soter" rather than the Latin version "Salvator", I would hate to Greek mixed up with "pig latin".

 

[Der Alte]

Greetings Der Alter, your god being part of Mithraism, what truth could you possibly show me?

Mithraism you say? Do you know anything about Mithraism? If you think you do, you are deluded. The Mithra cult arrived in Rome about 100 AD, 70 years AFTER Christianity and died out about 400 AD. And they left no written records NONE. There is NOT one single written document of the Mithra cult in existence. The only thing modern scholars know about the cult is from carvings and statues left behind in their prayer grottoes.

The mighty one of the Hebrews, the Scrolls, letters, are one subject,

Oh you presume to teach me about Hebrew? Here translate this for me.

ככלב שב על-קאו כסל שונה באולתו​

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Whats in a name?

My Hebrew redeemer consists of letters handed down by the Almighty Himself, not Orthodox Jews and Roman Catholics.

YHSH' (The ' symbol in ancient originally written, was the symbol of an "eye" (a round circle with a dot in the center called the 'Ayin', this Ayin in the Hebrew scripts "translates" in English as "eye/s, yes indeed, The 'eyes' of the Almighty are in the very name of my Hebrew redeemer as well as every other important letter symboizing a specific characteristic, yes, the ONLY name that can redeem you.

The ancient Paleo-Hebrew Ayin was a circle but it did not have a dot in the center and it also means sixty and "pride, see link below." And I'll need more than you saying so to accept any of this. Do you have any historical documentation, something written by real Hebrew Jews?

http://www.therain.org/know/palheb.html

Now lets take a look at your "Savior" from the Greek god "Salvator",

"Salvator" is Latin, NOT Greek! The Greek word for savior is "Soter"

Jesus= Iesus=Iasus=Iesous=Ieso.

Only two are correct. Yeshua transliterated into Greek is Iesous- then transliterated into Latin as Iesus. There is NO Iasus or Ieso!

Now remeber, its not the English letters that matter, but the vocalization someone uses.

You said "eeaysoose" (Jesus) is no connection with "Zeus", lets take a closer look:

I notice you ignored all the Greek grammar information I posted about the Greek pronunciation of "Zeus." In Greek Zeus is pronounced "Tzehüs." The last syllable of Zeus does not sound anything like the last syllable of Iesous, and vice versa.

"Je" taken from "Ye", this prefix meaning "He is" andthe suffix soos/sus? The closest meaning this suffix carries is of "Horse" in Hebrew, "He is Horse"?

Nothing but garbage, mixing up two or three languages. Which language are you claiming that "Ye" means "he is? It is certainly NOT Hebrew or Greek. Since the name "Iesous" is Greek why would any word in Hebrew, or any other language, have anything to do with it?

I know let's try this nonsense with some other Biblical names. For example, Moshe, "mo" in English means motor, and "she" means a female. So Moshe means, she motors. David in Hebrew is pronounced "Daweed", weed is slang for marijuana. So David's name means "the marijuana." I have a lot more, now just how outrageous do you want to get?

Zeus was known as the "Horseman" or "Centaur" (half man half horse)

Any connection? I'll let you decide.

Zeus was NOT known as the horseman and he was NOT a centaur! Post some evidence, if you can. But I am already a way ahead of you. This cannot be backed up because it is total nonsense.

As far as "Saced" name, take a closer look at this "sacred" name, Yes, sacred deriving from another Greek "god"

Nonsense! Post some evidence. And I mean something historical NOT more unsupported rubbish from your so-called leaders.

 

[DCP 32° K.T]

Please pardon the interruption.

...ככלב שב על-קאו כסל שונה באולתו...

Proverbs 26:11 minus a Yodh. Anyone can cut and paste from a Hebrew text.

Ok, I've had my fun. Please return to the festivities.

 

[Eliot]

Greetings Der Alter,
you are getting confused on what I am trying to say about names.

From your comment "Mo" and "she", I can tell you don't understand that names carry meanings, there is a prefix and a suffix.

The meaning of the name is the message that is being delivered to whom they were instructed to deliver it to,

There are names and titles, there greek names and Hebrew names, all with different meanings.

This why it was very important not to change any "jot or tittle" because it altered or changed the persons name, and the meaning, and the replacement of names, such as what the Greeks and Romans have done to the Scrolls (Notice I didn't say Bible, as you are probably aware of this titles origin).

So, I'm was not trying to say "Ye" as in "Yesturday", similiar to the example you gave, the prefix of "Ye" (in a name) carries the meaning of "He is".

So I ask you "who is He" IN THE NAME of eay'soos?

until next time...

 

[Der Alte]

Please pardon the interruption.


Proverbs 26:11 minus a Yodh. Anyone can cut and paste from a Hebrew text.

Ok, I've had my fun. Please return to the festivities.

Then why don't you cut and paste something from a Hebrew text? And there was a reason I posted that. The person I was addressing was presuming to teach me something about Hebrew I was trying to see if he could actually read the language.

 

[Eliot]

Der Alter says: Mithraism you say? Do you know anything about Mithraism? If you think you do, you are deluded. The Mithra cult arrived in Rome about 100 AD, 70 years AFTER Christianity and died out about 400 AD. And they left no written records NONE. There is NOT one single written document of the Mithra cult in existence. The only thing modern scholars know about the cult is from carvings and statues left behind in their prayer grottoes

Eliot:
No documents left of Mithraism? Study christianitys history and you will see plenty of them. Notice there are no original herbew documents of the second agreement either? hmmm.. I wonder who destroyed them, perhaps it was the same people that destroyed the hebrews, yes, that would make sense.

Der Alter:
Oh you presume to teach me about Hebrew? Here translate this for me.

ככלב שב על-קאו כסל שונה באולתו

Eliot:
I cannot without looking in a book, I 'm a student, not a teacher.


The ancient Paleo-Hebrew Ayin was a circle but it did not have a dot in the center and it also means sixty and "pride, see link below." And I'll need more than you saying so to accept any of this. Do you have any historical documentation, something written by real Hebrew Jews?

Eliot:
You are incorrect, in (perhaps Archaic) Hebrew, it is and meant "eye/s", Ifd you grab a concordance and look up "eye/es, the majority of them trace back to the symbol 'Ayin' (the eye) as well as the name of the Hebrew redeemer in Hebrew letters, yes, YHSH'= EYES
Sorry, your Greek Savior does not measure up. And no it does not mean "sixty" (as in the numbers of man)

Der Alter:
Salvator is Latin, NOT Greek! The Greek word for savior is "Soter

Eliot:
Thank you for correcting me, however, they are still the same "Greek god".


Der Alter:
Only two are correct. Yeshua transliterated into Greek is Iesous- then transliterated into Latin as Iesus. There is NO Iasus or Ieso!

Eliot:
You are incorrect, notice the "sh" and the false Aleph in "Yeshua"?
Noitcie the "S" and "S" and "O" in Iesous? No transliteration, why? because "Iesoos" does not sound like "Yeshua". My proof? common sense.


Der Alter:
I notice you ignored all the Greek grammar information I posted about the Greek pronunciation of "Zeus." In Greek Zeus is pronounced "Tzehüs." The last syllable of Zeus does not sound anything like the last syllable of Iesous, and vice versa.[/font][/size]

Eliot:
Please describe to me in english letters how the last syllable in Zeus sounds.



Der Alter:
Nothing but garbage, mixing up two or three languages. Which language are you claiming that "Ye" means "he is? It is certainly NOT Hebrew or Greek. Since the name "Iesous" is Greek why would any word in Hebrew, or any other language, have anything to do with it?

Eliot:
Der Alter, you said "Since the name "Iesous" is GREEK why would any word in Hebrew, or any other language, have anything to do with it?
You are 100% correct about "Iesous" being GREEK and almost correct about words, HEBREW NAMES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH GREEK.


Der Alter:
I know let's try this nonsense with some other Biblical names. For example, Moshe, "mo" in English means motor, and "she" means a female. So Moshe means, she motors. David in Hebrew is pronounced "Daweed", weed is slang for marijuana. So David's name means "the marijuana." I have a lot more, now just how outrageous do you want to get?

Eliot:
The prefix 'Mo' and suffix "she" are English letters which in hebrew carry the meaning of "to draw out" Every hebrew letter/symbol has a specific meaning attached to it, you do not take the letters out of the name to form another word as you have done. Poor example.




Der Alter:
Zeus was NOT known as the horseman and he was NOT a centaur! Post some evidence, if you can. But I am already a way ahead of you. This cannot be backed up because it is total nonsense.

Eliot:
since you are way ahead of me, post it for me.



Der Alter;
Nonsense! Post some evidence. And I mean something historical NOT more unsupported rubbish from your so-called leaders.

Eliot:
My only leader is the Mighty one of the Hebrews and my only teacher is the Hebrew redeemer.​

 

[Der Alte]

Greetings Der Alter,
you are getting confused on what I am trying to say about names.

From your comment "Mo" and "she", I can tell you don't understand that names carry meanings, there is a prefix and a suffix.

I understand perfectly. I read both Hebrew and Greek. I made several statements and asked questions you have not responded to the bulk of either of my posts.

The meaning of the name is the message that is being delivered to whom they were instructed to deliver it to,

There are names and titles, there greek names and Hebrew names, all with different meanings.

This why it was very important not to change any "jot or tittle" because it altered or changed the persons name, and the meaning, and the replacement of names, such as what the Greeks and Romans have done to the Scrolls (Notice I didn't say Bible, as you are probably aware of this titles origin).

I know the nonsense that unorthodox sects spout about the origin of the word "Bible." None of the information is supported by historical evidence. It is all concocted by people claiming to be Bible scholars. People like you, who can't locate a Hebrew verb, or parse a Greek verb if their life depended on it.

So, I'm was not trying to say "Ye" as in "Yesturday", similiar to the example you gave, the prefix of "Ye" (in a name) carries the meaning of "He is".

So I ask you "who is He" IN THE NAME of eay'soos?

until next time...

There is NO "who is he," about the name "Iesous." Are you having trouble understanding what I post? According to you, the name "Iesous" is supposed to have something to do with a nonexistent Greek deity, with the same or a similar name, and it also is supposed to have something to do with a Greek healing deity, and, still according to you, it is supposed to have something to do with the Hebrew word for horse which is pronounced "soose," rhymes with the English word "loose." So which one is it? It cannot be all three.

"the prefix of "Ye" (in a name) carries the meaning of "He is." I asked you, in what language is this supposed to be? There is no word similar to that in either Hebrew or Greek which means, "he is."

So since the name "Iesous" is Greek, any word, in any other language, which may sound something like it is totally irrelevant.

You were mixing the Hebrew word for horse, "soose" with a word from some unknown language to make the Greek name "Iesous" mean "he is horse." I showed how ridiculous and absurd that is by doing the same thing with Hebrew names.

Since you cannot seem to understand what I said, I will say it once again. The Greek name IesouV/"Iesous" has absolutely nothing to do with any so-called Greek deity, which supposedly existed prior to the birth of the Messiah. Also the name "Iesous" has absolutely nothing to do with a Greek healing deity. And last the name "Iesous" has absolutely nothing to do with the Hebrew word for horse and the nonexisent word "Ye," from some unknown language.

 

[Der Alte]

Eliot:
No documents left of Mithraism? Study christianitys history and you will see plenty of them. Notice there are no original herbew documents of the second agreement either? hmmm.. I wonder who destroyed them, perhaps it was the same people that destroyed the hebrews, yes, that would make sense.

If you have evidence about Mithraism, post it. You made a false accusation about my faith. Back it up! What second agreement are you talking about. If it was destroyed then how do you even know it existed? More, false information and nonsense from the leaders of your sect.

Der Alter:
Oh you presume to teach me about Hebrew? Here translate this for me.

ככלב שב על-קאו כסיל שונה באולתו​

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Eliot:
I cannot without looking in a book, I 'm a student, not a teacher.

If you are not a teacher and you cannot even read Hebrew, why are you presuming to tell anyone about Hebrew names?

Eliot:
You are incorrect, in (perhaps Archaic) Hebrew, it is and meant "eye/s", Ifd you grab a concordance and look up "eye/es, the majority of them trace back to the symbol 'Ayin' (the eye) as well as the name of the Hebrew redeemer in Hebrew letters, yes, YHSH'= EYES
Sorry, your Greek Savior does not measure up. And no it does not mean "sixty" (as in the numbers of man)

Had you bothered to read my post, I linked to a website which lists and explains the Paleo-Hebrew alphabet. There were only 2 Hebrew alphabets, Paleo-Hebrew and modern Hebrew which came into use after the Babylonian captivity.

However, I did make a mistake. The letter "Ayin, means, "Numerically it is the number 70 which is universality, Israel and her restoration."

Der Alter:
Salvator is Latin, NOT Greek! The Greek word for savior is "Soter

Eliot:
Thank you for correcting me, however, they are still the same "Greek god".

Wrong again! You didn't even know the correct word. There was NEVER a Greek deity named "Soter or a Latin one named "Salvator"!" More false teaching of your sect leaders. Or do you pretend that your "Mighty One" revealed this to you?

Eliot:
You are incorrect, notice the "sh" and the false Aleph in "Yeshua"?

Noitcie the "S" and "S" and "O" in Iesous? No transliteration, why? because "Iesoos" does not sound like "Yeshua". My proof? common sense.

What false Aleph are you talking about? Your common sense doesn't mean much here. If you knew anything about Greek you would know, in that language, there is NO way to represent the sound of ש or "sh." So when the Greeks wrote the name "Yeshua," they had to write a sigma "s" to represent the "sh" sound. And the "alpha," of Greek, indicates a feminine name so it was replaced by a final sigma,"V", a masculine ending. And the "o" is added to make the sound "oo." The "u" alone is pronounced as "ü."

If you knew your scripture you would know that even some Israelites could not pronounce the "sh" sound.

Jdg 12:6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.​

Eliot:
Please describe to me in english letters how the last syllable in Zeus sounds.

If you would actually read my posts you would know that, I have posted it twice.

• The Z of Zeus is pronounced "Tz"
• The epsilon "e" is not silent it is pronounced "eh."
• The upsilon, "u" is pronounced like an "oo" sound with the teeth together, and without rounding the lips. Like the German "ü" or the "eu" as in the French "bleu." The sound does not occur in English words.
•Final sigma, "[font=symbol[/font]," is pronounced the same as English "s."​

So Zeus is pronounced "Tzehüs" NOT "zoose." That is the American pronounciation.

Eliot:
Der Alter, you said "Since the name "Iesous" is GREEK why would any word in Hebrew, or any other language, have anything to do with it?
You are 100% correct about "Iesous" being GREEK and almost correct about words, HEBREW NAMES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH GREEK.

Then why were you talking about the Hebrew word for horse having something to do with the Greek name "Iesous?"

Eliot:
The prefix 'Mo' and suffix "she" are English letters which in hebrew carry the meaning of "to draw out" Every hebrew letter/symbol has a specific meaning attached to it, you do not take the letters out of the name to form another word as you have done. Poor example.

Then why did you take the "Ye" out of "Iesous" and claim it means "he is" and the "sous" and claim it means "horse?"

And OBTW in Hebrew the modifier "he" or "he is," would not be a prefix but a suffix.

Der Alter:
Zeus was NOT known as the horseman and he was NOT a centaur! Post some evidence, if you can. But I am already a way ahead of you. This cannot be backed up because it is total nonsense.

Eliot:
since you are way ahead of me, post it for me.

So you are just making false claims and false accusations that you can't back up?

Eliot:
My only leader is the Mighty one of the Hebrews and my only teacher is the Hebrew redeemer.

Did your "Mighty One," give you the false information about Mithra and Hebrew and Greek names? Do you see visions or hear voices or exactly how did your "Mighty One" communciate all the information you posted?

 

[Eliot]

Der Alter,

In Strongs Hebrew Concordance, look at the "Bible" verses using 'Horse', you will see
#5489 cuc soos; from an unused root mean. to skip, a horse...

Its not the english letters that make any difference, it is the sound coming from your lips.