Why? you take word literally and flesh figuratively in john 1.14. you take flesh to represent Jesus. Jesus is more than just flesh. I don't know what kind of figurative sense john 1.1 is but i know the meaning. the word was unto God, means it points to god, the word was god, is a predicate nominative, meaning god modifys the word. just as god is not literally love in "god is love" but rather love is a predicate nominative modifying god. love is a big attribute of god is the meaning of god is love and 'the word was god" means that the word has a divine quality about it in that it is god's word and that god backs up his word so that his word does not come back void to it because god is there where his word is to back it up. NOt god is his word and his word is a being and god the father is abeing and god the son is another being oh and all of um together add up to 1 being. that is the illogic of your literal intepretation of john 1.1 and condemns it as false. God's word is not nonsensical . only man's interpetations, such as yours here, are illogical. God's word makes sense.Because there is no indication whatsoever to interpret the verse figuratively. John 1:1 CLEARLY indicates ho logos is a person as much as God is. "The word was with God and the word was God."
If the word is to be taken allegorically then so is God in the passage.
actually the word translated with is the greek word pros which means towards or to, or unto. It is translated either to or unto 543 times, it is only translated with 43 times. And I believe the meaning clearly demands it be translated as unto or towards, for the word of god does point towards or unto god. but at any rate if the word is with god it cannot be god, and if the word is god it cannot be with god. you cant be with your self. Another clear indicator of the figurativeness of john chapter 1, contrary to your assertion that there is none. Unfortunately logic doesn't enter the picture in interperting john 1 .1 literally, thus you can assert that there are no indicators for you reject the logic indicators i just pointed out.johnd said:Obviously it is not to be taken figuratively and therefore the word in verse 14 refers to the person in verse 1.
I'll do you one better.
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Is that to be taken literally? No. But the existence of God is not to be called into question by such a figure of speech. He is no less God by the use of this figure of speech. And the final death knell in your line of reasoning is the verse in question:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The word was God.
The word was WITH God.
you refuse to accept the illogic of your beliefs which i have pointed out. How can god be with himself? can you see that doesn't make sense to say word (who you say is god) is with god and there is only one god when you just named two different gods. Again your illogical statements condemn your doctrine as being false.johnd said:You are simply refusing to believe the obvious points being made by the text.
I haven't changed scripture. havinga figurative interpretation of a verse of scripture isn't changing scripture. you are playing very loose with the facts here.johnd said:Such closed minded interpolation leads to every assorted misinterpretation.
johnd said:If you want to pick and choose what you believe the truth to be then you are elevating yourself or your beliefs above God. ['quote] I don't pick and choose what I believe I believe the whole bible, just because i have a figurative interpretation of john 1.14 doesnt mean i pick and choose what I believe. your assertion is absurd.
I know Jesus and God the Father intimately. You haven't demonstrated anything that prooves that i disbelieve the b ible. you jump from me having a figurative interpretation of john 1.14 to "2ducklow doesn't believe the b ible and is going to hell." that is totally ridiculous. I believe you to be a christian because you believe Jesus is the son of god and b ecause you are born again, in fact i accept everyone who is born again , no matter what else they might believe , as a brother in christ. What scripture says "unless you believe john 1.14 literally you are condemoned to hell?" tell me i want to know.johnd said:In that case you might as well pick a more self-serving faith than Christianity to use as a mask. Because all who disbelieve the God of the Bible are going to hell.
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