trinity question

[yeshuasavedme]

woah... can your post be any more confusing?

Hello DjDan,
What is confusing about you and me being two persons 'in Adam', a created being, and the Word who is come in human flesh of the New Creation [not as an Adam, but as the brother to Adam] being a Person in YHWH, the uncreated BEING?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Hello DjDan,
What is confusing about you and me being two persons 'in Adam', a created being, and the Word who is come in human flesh of the New Creation [not as an Adam, but as the brother to Adam] being a Person in YHWH, the uncreated BEING?

And also: we who are persons in Adam, who are born from above [born again] are, by the joining to the LORD, 'one spirit', in Christ, by the adoption, yet we are still 'many persons'.
But we are still in Adam, dual natured; but we are to reckon ourselves dead to the carnal nature and we are to die daily to it and we are to never make provision for that nature, called 'the flesh;' meaning the adamic nature compared to the Christ nature that we are to walk in.
Walking in the spirit means to not walk in the flesh, and walking in the spirit is being subject to the New Nature that we are adopted into, rather than the old nature, or the old man, that we come into our being, in.

1Cr 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit..

We are , while we inhabit these adamic bodies, 'in Adam', which is called 'the flesh', in Scripture, referring to the fallen nature, as opposed to being 'in the Spirit', referring to the New Man nature of Christ that we are adopted in, and 'one' Spirit in.

Jesus Christ is also dual natured; He is in YHWH as the second Person in YHWH, and He is the Firstborn 'in the New Man' called Israel [Isaiah 49] and is the Christ. He is not in Adam, never was in Adam and never will be in Adam. He is the Firstborn of the New Creation Man, brother of the [spiritually dead], Adam, who had the power and the will to ransom his dead brother's kingdom and 'marry' his spiritually brother's barren 'widow', according to the law of Kinsman Redeemer, to raise up living seed to His brother -sons of God for the glory of the Father to indwell.

He came to bring many sons 'to glory', and He is come in flesh [of the New Creation] . He humbled Himself to come and is in that flesh, still and forever, and is glorified as a human, the Firstborn over the dominion Adam and ben Adam had been given; but the day will come when He has subdued all things under Him, as Firstborn [that Adam had been given and sold] and will restore all things, as Firstborn, with the power over it to do so, over which He has dominion by His payment of the ransom, as a human being; and at that time, He will deliver the kingdom back to the Father; and then He will no longer walk only in the nature of the Firstborn in the New Man, but will then walk in the nature of YHWH, which nature He has not subjected Himself to as the human Redeemer for the purpose of being our Kinsman to redeem His human brother's dominion.

Then God will be all in all, and the temple in which all will dwell will be God and the Lamb in the regeneration of the heavens and the earth.

Okay -want Scripture? You cannot disprove the dual nature of Christ, as YHWH and as New Creation Man, or of born again Believers in Christ who were first born in Adam -but I can give you plenty of Scripture to show you His dual nature and our dual nature ,who are born again.

We are not to walk in our old man; He chose not to walk in His nature of YHWH, when He put on the garments of Kinsman, [the human flesh body of the new creation], until He restores the kingdom back to the Father, as the New human Firstborn Son of God.
He lowered Himself -or humbled Himself- and raises us by His own lowering, to make in Himself the 'One New Man'.

 

[2ducklow]

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1Cr 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit..

We are , while we inhabit these adamic bodies, 'in Adam', which is called 'the flesh', in Scripture, referring to the fallen nature, as opposed to being 'in the Spirit', referring to the New Man nature of Christ that we are adopted in, and 'one' Spirit in.

Interestingly one or the greek word hies is not in this verse although practically everyone translates it that way. a literall word for word translation would be,

ο δε (but he that) κολλωμενος (is joined) τω (to the) κυριω (Lord) εν (in) πνευμα (spirit) εστιν (is).

ο δε κολλωμενος τω κυριω εν πνευμα εστιν

ο δε κολλωμενος τω κυριω εν πνευμα εστιν

εν adjective - nominative singular neuter
heis hice
one -- a(-n, -ny, certain), + abundantly, man, one (another), only, other, some.

http://scripturetext.com/1_corinthians/6-18.htm

seems to me the correct translation is 'he that is joined to the Lord is in spirit, or in the spirit. Actually "he that is joined to the Lord is one spirit" doesn't seem to make too much sense, unless of course it is meant in some figurative sense, that is assuming that 'one spirit' is the correct translation, but;

[SIZE=+1]ejn [/SIZE]En (en);
Word Origin: Greek, Preposition, Strong #: 1722

1. in, by, with etc.

KJV Word Usage and Countin 1874 by 141 with 134 among 117 at 112 on 46 through 37 miscellaneous 321

εν is never translated as one and is overwhelmingly translated as 'in'.

 

[Godfixated]

I have always thought it hilarious how people can take verses that show clear distinctions between Jesus Christ and God and use that in a Trinitarian argument.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Interestingly one or the greek word hies is not in this verse although practically everyone translates it that way. a literall word for word translation would be,

ο δε (but he that) κολλωμενος (is joined) τω (to the) κυριω (Lord) εν (in) πνευμα (spirit) εστιν (is)..

You are deceptively twisting what the Greek says, to say what you want it to say.
The Greek says 'heis' Spirit , and is a further comment from Paul on the one Spirit that we are all baptized into who are born again, and made one Spirit in Christ, by that joining, or adoption, contrasted [but!] to the one flesh that one joined to a harlot is, with the harlot.


1 Corinthians 6:15; Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make [them] the members of an harlot? God forbid.
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
T - 1Cr 6:17 - But [[SIZE=-1] de] [/SIZE]the person who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust
NKJV - 1Cr 6:17 - But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson
NASB - 1Cr 6:17 - But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit {with Him.}
New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation
RSV - 1Cr 6:17 - But he who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.
Webster - 1Cr 6:17 - But he that is joined to the Lord is one spirit.
Noah Webster Version 1833 Info
Young - 1Cr 6:17 - And he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit;
Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info
Darby - 1Cr 6:17 - But he that [is] joined to the Lord is one Spirit.
J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info
ASV - 1Cr 6:17 - But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
American Standard Version 1901 Info
HNV - 1Cr 6:17 - But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit.
Hebrew Names Version 2000 Info
Vulgate - 1Cr 6:17 - qui autem adheret Domino unus spiritus est
Jerome's Latin Vulgate 405 A.D. Info

 

[yeshuasavedme]

You are deceptively twisting what the Greek says, to say what you want it to say.
The Greek says 'heis' Spirit , and is a further comment from Paul on the one Spirit that we are all baptized into who are born again, and made one Spirit in Christ, by that joining, or adoption, contrasted [but!] to the one flesh that one joined to a harlot is, with the harlot.


1 Corinthians 6:15; Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make [them] the members of an harlot? God forbid.
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
T - 1Cr 6:17 - But [[SIZE=-1] de] [/SIZE]the person who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust
NKJV - 1Cr 6:17 - But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson
NASB - 1Cr 6:17 - But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit {with Him.}
New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation
RSV - 1Cr 6:17 - But he who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.
Webster - 1Cr 6:17 - But he that is joined to the Lord is one spirit.
Noah Webster Version 1833 Info
Young - 1Cr 6:17 - And he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit;
Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info
Darby - 1Cr 6:17 - But he that [is] joined to the Lord is one Spirit.
J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info
ASV - 1Cr 6:17 - But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
American Standard Version 1901 Info
HNV - 1Cr 6:17 - But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit.
Hebrew Names Version 2000 Info
Vulgate - 1Cr 6:17 - qui autem adheret Domino unus spiritus est
Jerome's Latin Vulgate 405 A.D. Infohttp://www.blueletterbible.org/versions.html#vul

'Adam' is 'one' [created] spirit, male and female, created to multiply it's own self to bring forth [human] sons of God [the human house for the Father to indwell], which sons were to be multiplied by the seed placed within the firstborn in Adam for the multiplication of Adam.
Malachi 2:15; And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue [remnant] of the spirit. And wherefore one [spirit]? That he might seek a godly seed [=sons of God]. ..

Genesis 5:2; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Isa 57:16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls [which] I have made.


YHWH is ONE [self existent] SPIRIT, the "BREATH WHO [or THAT] BREATHES" and was always and is always a multiplicity of three persons, 'ONE SPIRIT'.

There are persons in the one Adam being, and each Adam person is from Adam, of Adam, in Adam, all the way back to the firstborn in Adam, our first father from whom we have come into our being as 'man' =Adam.

But YHWH has never had another 'different' than YHWH with Him, for He alone is YHWH, and His persons number three and only three.

In Adam, all [persons] die. In Christ, all [persons who are joined to Christ by the One Spirit of adoption] are made alive.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I have always thought it hilarious how people can take verses that show clear distinctions between Jesus Christ and God and use that in a Trinitarian argument.

And it is only ignorance of the Word of God that would make you so cocksure of your deception, my friend, for all born again Believers are fully aware of their own dual nature; that of the old man -Adam- and that of the New Man -Christ. Christ was likewise fully aware of His own dual nature, for He willingly chose to lower Himself to walk in the flesh of the New Man, as our Kinsman to redeem us so that we could walk in His New Man nature as sons of God, adopted in His One Spirit.

We receive One Spirit who are born of Him, but are yet in our old nature bodies, and we are to reckon ourselves dead to sin, alive to God; walk not after the flesh [the Adam nature] but after the Spirit [the Christ nature]; make no provision for the flesh [the Adam nature] but to 'Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to [fulfil] the lusts [thereof]'., and so on and so forth, until the day we lay aside these garments passed to us in Adam, by dying and departing, or at the 'laqach' of the Church, and put on the new garments of the New Man's body, made in His New Man image.

 

[Godfixated]

So are we both God and man, as well? That is sure what your argument sounds like. Of course we have an Old natural man and a New Man who is God in Christ in us the hope of glory. This "dual nature" applies to Jesus Christ nowhere in the Word of God. One place in the Word does make it clear who Jesus is and what His job is right now. 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God; and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ." As far as this verse is concerned, there is no dual nature, just one God and one Mediator, who according to this verse are two separate individuals. Here is another verse, John 14:28, "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto ye. If ye loved, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." This verse is another verse that makes a clear distinction between God and Jesus Christ.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

So are we both God and man, as well? That is sure what your argument sounds like. Of course we have an Old natural man and a New Man who is God in Christ in us the hope of glory. This "dual nature" applies to Jesus Christ nowhere in the Word of God. One place in the Word does make it clear who Jesus is and what His job is right now. 1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God; and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ." As far as this verse is concerned, there is no dual nature, just one God and one Mediator, who according to this verse are two separate individuals. Here is another verse, John 14:28, "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto ye. If ye loved, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." This verse is another verse that makes a clear distinction between God and Jesus Christ.

No we are not God. We who are born again are in Adam by nature and born again in Christ by the New Man nature that we are joined to at the adoption -when we repent and call on His name for salvation [Yeshua].

All the rest you said above only speaks of His human nature, which the eternal Word of God -second Person in YHWH of hosts, is come in the flesh of forever and is walking willingly in even now, as He sits on His throne as a glorified human being, in His Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world Mercy Seat body.
He put on the garments of the Kinsman to be the Redeemer Kinsman avenger.
Isa 59:17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance [for] clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.

Only the Kinsman can ransom and avenge what is sold ,according to the biblical law of kinsman redeemer; and the Word of God, YHWH of hosts, second Person in YHWH, is come as Kinsman-Redeemer and is returning as Avenger.

He is returning as Son of Man to reign over His purchased kingdom in the same human body of flesh =the garments of vengeance, that He put on to ransom His human [spirituall dead] brother's, [Adam] kingdom, in, and to marry Adam's barren 'widow' in.
Revelation 19:11-13; And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
And he [was] clothed with a [garment] vesture baptized in blood [baptized in death]: and his name is called The Word of God.
The Word was with God and the Word was God, and the Word became [human] flesh.
There was no God formed before YHWH and neither shall there be after Him, but this ONE, the WORD, is in YHWH and is YHWH, and is the Person called the Word of God and is not the Father; in the same manner that I am a female person in Adam, born again in Christ, but I am not the person of the firstborn in Adam as I am not the person of the Firstborn in the New Man -but I am joined to the Spirit in the New Man by adoption.

There are Persons in Adam; persons in YHWH; and Persons in Christ.
YHWH is BEING, Breath, Life' Adam is [spiritually dead] human being, Christ is Living Human Being Son of God.
Baptized into Christ I am a member of His body, the spiritual body.
Born in Adam I am a member of the spiritual body of Adam .
Born again in Christ, I am a membr of His Spiritual body, so says the Word of God.

 

[2ducklow]

You are deceptively twisting what the Greek says, to say what you want it to say.
The Greek says 'heis' Spirit ,

show me where the word 'heis' or in greek letters 'εις' ιs in either the textus receptus or WH. they both read exactly the same which I have below

ο δε κολλωμενος τω κυριω εν πνευμα εστιν

I don't know why seemingly every bible translates it 'one spirit' but it isn't because the greek word 'heis' is in 1 cor. 16.7. you have accused me of twisting scriptures . well you have made a false claim that hies is in 1 cor. 16.7




.

 

[Bananna]

Okay I'm slow I know it guys but what is the beef?

The intent of the passage does not change whether you incert the number ONE where it is not written or not. No verse stands alone.

1Cr 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make [them] the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

There is a true problem with taking verses out of their intended context or even translating them out of their intended context.

Either way you translate it... what is the point?
The passage as a whole has dificulties, giving neither side support. It is just an example of inconsistant translating.

Duck did I miss your translation comments on 1 corinthians 6:14? Where is "both" translated?
bananna

 

[Godfixated]

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[Godfixated]

No we are not God. We who are born again are in Adam by nature and born again in Christ by the New Man nature that we are joined to at the adoption -when we repent and call on His name for salvation [Yeshua].

All the rest you said above only speaks of His human nature, which the eternal Word of God -second Person in YHWH of hosts, is come in the flesh of forever and is walking willingly in even now, as He sits on His throne as a glorified human being, in His Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world Mercy Seat body.
He put on the garments of the Kinsman to be the Redeemer Kinsman avenger.
Isa 59:17 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance [for] clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.

Only the Kinsman can ransom and avenge what is sold ,according to the biblical law of kinsman redeemer; and the Word of God, YHWH of hosts, second Person in YHWH, is come as Kinsman-Redeemer and is returning as Avenger.

He is returning as Son of Man to reign over His purchased kingdom in the same human body of flesh =the garments of vengeance, that He put on to ransom His human [spirituall dead] brother's, [Adam] kingdom, in, and to marry Adam's barren 'widow' in.
Revelation 19:11-13; And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
And he [was] clothed with a [garment] vesture baptized in blood [baptized in death]: and his name is called The Word of God.
The Word was with God and the Word was God, and the Word became [human] flesh.
There was no God formed before YHWH and neither shall there be after Him, but this ONE, the WORD, is in YHWH and is YHWH, and is the Person called the Word of God and is not the Father; in the same manner that I am a female person in Adam, born again in Christ, but I am not the person of the firstborn in Adam as I am not the person of the Firstborn in the New Man -but I am joined to the Spirit in the New Man by adoption.

There are Persons in Adam; persons in YHWH; and Persons in Christ.
YHWH is BEING, Breath, Life' Adam is [spiritually dead] human being, Christ is Living Human Being Son of God.
Baptized into Christ I am a member of His body, the spiritual body.
Born in Adam I am a member of the spiritual body of Adam .
Born again in Christ, I am a membr of His Spiritual body, so says the Word of God.

In John 1:1, it says," In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." This is one of those so called "vague" verses that people just put their own meaning to. If you look at the Greek texts, you immediately see that the word "with" in the verse is the Greek word pros and it means to be together with, but distinctly independent of. So obviously can't mean what most Trinitarians think it means. Pros is used in John 1:2, as well. "The same was in the beginning with (pros) God." If you read the context of the rest of John 1, it never even hints that Jesus Christ is God, but that Jesus was in God's foreknowledge. It, also, mentions that we were in God's foreknowledge, also. So, technically, we were with Him in the beginning, as well. So John 1:1 can be seen as this,"In the beginning was God, and the Word made flesh was together but distinctly independent of God, and the foreknowledge of Jesus Christ was God." You Trinitarians make it so easy sometimes because I am able to repeat myself over an over.

 

[2ducklow]

Duck did I miss your translation comments on 1 corinthians 6:14? Where is "both" translated?
bananna

Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) 1 Corinthians 6:14 o <3588> de <1161> qeoV <2316> {AND GOD} kai <2532> {BOTH} ton <3588> {THE} kurion <2962> {LORD} hgeiren <1453> (5656) {RAISED UP,} kai <2532> {AND} hmaV <2248> {US} exegerei <1825> (5692) {WILL RAISE OUT} dia <1223> {BY} thV <3588> dunamewV <1411> autou <846> {HIS POWER,}

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Well it seems to be to be saying.
'But God raised up the Lord and will raise up us by his power, '

I believe &#959; &#948;&#949; is sometimes translated as 'but' or 'but that'.

I suppose &#8216;both&#8217; is inserted for idiomatic purposes, that is to say, to make it more like how we would express it. But the word translated 'both' is the greek word 'kai' which primarily means just 'and'.

 

[Bananna]

G-dfixated,

Yes good point, but word is not called himself and the word and God are not called they. I really think that Yehoshuah does not come to the picture untill after John the baptist is discribed way down in John 1:14

The light/life is YHVH the God of John and the God of Yehoshuah(Jesus). Like the Torah was a type of mediator between God and man... Yehoshuah comes to be the mediator between God and man.
kai o logos sarx egeneto
"And the logos flesh became"
ple're's charitos kai ale'theias
filled (or infected by) grace and truth

Bananna

 

[Bananna]

Duck you are fast... thanks.
bananna

 

[yeshuasavedme]

show me where the word 'heis' or in greek letters '&#949;&#953;&#962;' &#953;s in either the textus receptus or WH. they both read exactly the same which I have below



I don't know why seemingly every bible translates it 'one spirit' but it isn't because the greek word 'heis' is in 1 cor. 16.7. you have accused me of twisting scriptures . well you have made a false claim that hies is in 1 cor. 16.7
.

They translate it one spirit because the word for one is there.

one [Strong's [[1520] [SIZE=-1]

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]heis
Also, you ignore the context of the passage, comparing the fornicator being joined to the flesh of a harlot; 'one flesh', 'but' [don't leave out the 'but'] the Believer is joined to the Spirit of the LORD; one Spirit. Your way makes no sense to the context of comparison to the one flesh vs the one Spirit.

Also, you added a word that is not in the passage in John 4:24; "God is Spirit", not 'a' spirit; if the Holy Spirit had wanted John to write that Jesus said that God was 'a'spirit, then he would have used the word 'heis', which is used in 1 Corinthians 6:17. You add to and take away to twist the doctrine of the Word. Some translators did add that word, but many did not because it is not there.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1144159679-5440.html#24

[/SIZE]NLT - Jhn 4:24 - For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth."
New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust
NKJV - Jhn 4:24 - God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson
NASB - Jhn 4:24 - "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation
RSV - Jhn 4:24 - God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.
Webster - Jhn 4:24 - God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him, must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
Noah Webster Version 1833 Info
Young - Jhn 4:24 - God [is] a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.'
Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info
Darby - Jhn 4:24 - God [is] a spirit; and they who worship him must worship [him] in spirit and truth.
J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info
ASV - Jhn 4:24 - God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
American Standard Version 1901 Info
HNV - Jhn 4:24 - God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
Hebrew Names Version 2000 Info
Vulgate - Jhn 4:24 - spiritus est Deus et eos qui adorant eum in spiritu et veritate oportet adorare
Jerome's Latin Vulgate 405 A.D. Info
[SIZE=-1] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]
[/SIZE] http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1144159294-2722.html#17

 

[2ducklow]

They translate it one spirit because the word for one is there.

one [Strong's [[1520] [SIZE=-1]

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]heis[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1] You can quote a thousand translations that have 'one' in it byt you can't find any greek bibel that has heis or &#949;&#953;&#962; in it.
Here is a greek english interlinear. underline the word heis if you can find it. This is the textus receptus. you will notice that they translate the greek word en (not heis, heis isn't even in it) as one.[/SIZE]

(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) 1 Corinthians 6:17 o <3588> de <1161> {BUT HE THAT} kollwmenoV <2853> (5746) {IS JOINED} tw <3588> {TO THE} kuriw <2962> {LORD,} en <1520> {ONE} pneuma <4151> {SPIRIT} estin <2076> (5748) {IS.}

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

why is the absence of 'a' in john 4.24 a big deal but the absence of 'heis' in 1 cor. 6.17 not a big deal? En in greek means in so "he that is joined to the LORD is in (en) spirit." no greek bible anywhere has heis in 1 cor. 6.17.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

[SIZE=-1] You can quote a thousand translations that have 'one' in it byt you can't find any greek bibel that has heis or &#949;&#953;&#962; in it.
Here is a greek english interlinear. underline the word heis if you can find it. This is the textus receptus. you will notice that they translate the greek word en (not heis, heis isn't even in it) as one.[/SIZE]


http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

why is the absence of 'a' in john 4.24 a big deal but the absence of 'heis' in 1 cor. 6.17 not a big deal? En in greek means in so "he that is joined to the LORD is in (en) spirit." no greek bible anywhere has heis in 1 cor. 6.17.

It is the Testus Receptus at blueletterbible.org, from which the translations say one spirit. Jerome used it in the 400's AD and told us that it is one spirit.


It is a big deal because the word is also used in the same passage for those who are joined to a harlot, being made one flesh with her by that joining, The one flesh of the prior verses is contrasted to the one Spirit with the conjunction, 'but', and the comparison is that we who are true born again Believers are joined to the LORD, "one Spirit". The Church is one Church because it is one Spirit, one body,persons who are members of Christ, though many persons.

In Adam, we [multiplied Adam being are billions and billions to the power of 'X'] human persons and are all 'one spirit' =one being called Adam [you seem to have also missed the context of the one spirit of Adam that I posted plenteous Scriptures to show the fact of]; and in YHWH =One Being who just is, the BREATH THAT [or Who] BREATHES [very literal translation of Exodus 3:14] or LIFE that LIVES, the three YHWH Persons are all One Spirit.

There is a firstborn in Adam, a Firstborn in Christ, and in YHWH there is a co-equal Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit .
The Word of God put on a New Nature, that of created humanity, in which He is come as Kinsman-Redeemer and soon coming Avenger.
If He had not come as Kinsman, He would not have had the legal authority to ransom His spiritually dead brother's sold Kingdom and marry the spiritually dead brother's barren widow.

You miss the message all round, of redemption through the blood on the true Mercy Seat , which is the YHWH of hosts come in human flesh as the solid gold Mercy Seat on which His human blood was received while it hung on the cross -and the veil is split from that moment for all who are cleansed by the blood and clothed [spiritually, with the Spirit of Christ -and at the redemption of the body with the body made in His New Man image], to enter into the presence of the glory on high.

Born again Believers have dual natures, Adam and Christ; one, a spiritually dead [cut off as son of God] nature; and one, the nature of the New Man, the Israel as opposed to the Adam [Isaiah 49], and the Firstborn in the New Man, our everlasting Father as to that humanity, is the WORD of GOD, the YHWH of hosts, second Person.
We who are born again have to die daily to the old nature that is in us, and live on purpose in the New nature that is a gift to us who have called on the name of the LORD, Jesus Christ, for salvation.

Some people refuse the New Nature, the New Birth, which is the clothing we must be dressed in to enter into the presence of the Holy Father [the joining to Him, one Spirit] -as the parable teaches about the man invited to the wedding feast who did not dress for it, and was cast into the lake of fire.
From Mattthew 22;

"The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
...
Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth".

YHWH [second Person] humbled Himself to descend to walk in the human nature of the New Creation Man to lift us up by His redemption and adoption, to be joined to His New Man nature and to walk in that Spirit, with Him as our 'Firstborn'. The wedding, or the marraige, is to come at the adoption of the body, which will be made in His image. All in Adam can be adopted and 'married', that is, to be made living sons of God by the Word of God in flesh adopting us into His New Man nature and adopting our bodies into His New Man image, also.

.I shall be satisfied when I awake in Thy image'.

 

[2ducklow]

It is the Testus Receptus at blueletterbible.org, from which the translations say one spirit. Jerome used it in the 400's AD and told us that it is one spirit.

I see you can't admidt that heis is not in the textus receptus or any greek bible. even though i quoted the verse in greek from the textus receptus showing irrefuteably that heis is not in the textus receptus. if you can't admidt to the facts how can anyone possibly debate with you?