trinity question

[mannysee]

I've questioned a lot of things about the trinity... I've seen very few verses that can be interpreted as supporting the trinity and no verses that directly suggest the Father and Son being the same person... However I've seen many scriptures saying they are distinct, seperate individuals... serving the same cause... but not in equality (i.e. the Son being a servant of the father/having an individual personality).

Here's the most direct verse that I've seen though:



So.... how can you take a direct statement "There is only one God, the Father" and say that his son is equal to him?
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I was reading in Corinthians the other day.
How about in Corinthians: the chapter on spiritual gifts.
Something along the lines of, "but there are differences of administrations, but the same Spirit. There are differences of operations, but the same Lord. There are differences of ?????, but the same God works all in all."
Don't quote me on that. I don't have my bible at hand.

 

[Harlin]

Hello yeshuasavedme,

In fact, Harlin, all multiplied beings are made of many persons.

No...the human race is not a being, we are a race of human beings. Have you never heard of the word "humanbeings" before. Mankind is made of many beings, or persons. Not a being made of multiple persons.

We are made in God's image, He is not multiple persons in one being either. As I said in my earlier post, my Bible says we have One God, THE FATHER, and one Lord Jesus.

YHWH is a self existing eternal multiplicity of three Persons, in Scripture.

I am sorry yeshuasavedme, where in scripture does it describe God like you just did??....Again, my Bible says that the Father is God, and He has exalted His Son to equal with Himself.

All three Persons are YHWH; one is come in the flesh of the New Creation human being, as brother to Adam, and therefore legal Redeemer of Adam and his kingdom that the firstborn in Adam sold.

My Bible says that God sent His "only begotten Son" to redeem us, and God was through Christ reconciling the world to Himself. Christ came to reveal God, He Himself stated that the Father was the One True God (John 17:3). Christ has inherited the names and attributes of His Father, because He is the only begotten or brought forth of God. This does not however make Him the One True God it makes Him "equal" to Him.

Yes, we call the first man Adam, but that is a Hebrew word of YHWH's call for 'man', and the first Adam was made male and female -two persons- from one spirit -Malachi 2:15. and told to multiply.

What is multiplied is 'Adam' [man], one Adam being [one mankind], and the multiplication produces individual persons, male and female.

Adam is multiplied to create many beings of the same kind. Eve was brought forth out of Adam, she is of the same substance as Adam, this however does not make her Adam the man. But it does make her human or like you say "Adam" meaning mankind. She is the same "kind", not the same being. Just like God brought forth a Son, who was the same substance or kind as Himself. This Son is not the same being as the Father though, He is and individual being known as the Son.

If you will be so kind as to open your concordance and look at the original Hebrew word, 'Adam', and all the places YHWH uses it through the Old Testament, then you will see that the human persons are all called 'Adam multiplied], by YHWH.
Begin with Genesis 5:2 and Genesis 6:1-3, in Hebrew; Adam is the name of the persons, male and female, which is the one being (one spirit, Malachi 2:15), that is multiplied. When 'Adam began to multiply on the face of earth and daughters born'...that is the original, and the first Adam was dead by then....but the multiplying goes on until the eighth day of creation, when all seed of Adam will be cut off from multiplying, as the sign of circumcision given to Abra 'Ha' m is the oracle of.

Adam is a word to describe the Human race. It is also the name of the Father of the Human race, Adam the man. It does not mean that we are all "one being", we are one race, Adam, or mankind made up of lots of beings.

Yes we have one Spirit, God breathed into Adam the Spirit of life. That Spirit is passed on to life after life.

I don't see the logic of your reasoning. You are complicating things which are not complicated. You are trying to make the Bible fit within your trinity doctrine.

One being made of three persons is not logic. God is a God of order, not confusion.

God Bless,

Natasha

 

[Godfixated]

I was reading in Corinthians the other day.
How about in Corinthians: the chapter on spiritual gifts.
Something along the lines of, "but there are differences of administrations, but the same Spirit. There are differences of operations, but the same Lord. There are differences of ?????, but the same God works all in all."
Don't quote me on that. I don't have my bible at hand.

This is the first time that I have heard this argument. The verse in 1 Corinthians 12, is verse 4. 1 Corinthians 12:4, "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." This is nothing related to the trinity, it is saying that there are many manifestations, but they all come form the same Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:6, basically, says the same thing, "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all." This has nothing to do about the trinity as you can see.

 

[2ducklow]

each side looks for the majic bullet to defeat the other side. But the bible is written in such a way that intellect alone will not lead one to the truth.
John 12:38-41 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? For this cause they could not believe, for that Isaiah said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and he hardened their heart; Lest they should see with their eyes, and perceive with their heart, And should turn, And I should heal them. These things said Isaiah, because he saw his glory; and he spake of him.

John 12:43 for they loved the glory that is of men more than the glory that is of God.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Hello yeshuasavedme,



I don't see the logic of your reasoning. You are complicating things which are not complicated. You are trying to make the Bible fit within your trinity doctrine.

One being made of three persons is not logic. God is a God of order, not confusion.

God Bless,

Natasha

Hello Harlin -Natasha,
Only if you read what the Word really says, will you 'see'.

I gave you Scripture on the ONE [uncreated] YHWH, in three Persons [from eternity to eternity[, and I gave you the comparison to our created being, called 'Adam' [man] as one 'spirit' [which equals the 'being'], 'male and female', and multiplied as commanded into many billions of persons; and the comparison to the New Man as 'Spirit', with the Firstborn being the Person of the Word of God come in flesh.

In Genesis 5:2 [did you even go look at the Scripture?], How many persons, called 'Adam', does one male and one female add up to?

In Genesis 6:1,2, [did you even go look at the Scripture?], what multiplied? [Adam is the Hebrew word used for the English word, 'man' in that passage].

Again; what was the name [Genesis 5:2] of the multiplied being in Genesis 6:1,2? Was the first Adam [the first Man] alive, in Genesis 6:1,2? -No he was not; so in Genesis 6, the first Adam is dead, but Adam is multiplied. What is there in that so hard for you to grasp, except that you have believed a lie against there being persons multiplied in their own one being?


If you multiply something with it's seed in itself, does it become another kind of something or is it the same kind of something?

If you have seed in something, and you multiply it, what is the fruit called? Is the fruit some other 'kind' of something other than the kind that it was multiplied as seed from?

Is the seed of Adam [man], when multiplied, called something else other than what YHWH named the first male and female Adam [Man]?