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as of the divine origin, the son is the perfect image and the effulgent brightness of the invisible god.
yup, as of his human origin.
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However, the sun's rays can't be attributed to the Son,
.. the Son is his own individual being. Capable of individual thought, but intentionally serving his Father and God. The Son isn't simply "how God works" ... he's his own individual being, an individual personal force, a fellow-servant of God, and our king/messiah/lord.
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1st Corinthians 14:33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints.
Athanasian Creed, The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.”
Against Praxeas 9 [A.D. 216], Keep always in mind the rule of faith which I profess and by which I bear witness that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are inseparable from each other.”
Against Praxeas 25 [A.D. 216], These three [Father, Son, and Holy Spirit] are, one essence, not one person.”
Dogmatic Letter on the Trinity 8:2 [A.D. 381], To those who accuse us of a doctrine of three Gods, let it be stated that we confess one God, not in number but in nature.”
Question; Is the Father 33.3% [1/3] or is he 100% [3/3]? And is the Son 33.3% [1/3] or is he 100% [3/3]? And is the Holy Spirit 33.3% [1/3] or is he 100% [3/3]? We cannot have three parts who are all 100% since we come up to 300%.”
Fundamental Doctrines 1:1:6 [A.D. 225], God, therefore, is not to be thought of as being either a body or as existing in a body, but as a simple intellectual being, admitting within himself no addition of any kind.”
Treasury of the holy Trinity 11 [A.D. 424], The nature of the Godhead, which is simple and not composite, is never to be divided into two.”
Question; How do you have three in one?”
The Trinity doctrine is very confusing, for it states that three are one and one is three and yet one is not three and three is not one”.
To force a choice upon us between accepting Yehoshua HaMoshiach [ben David] as a lunatic, liar, or the Eternal God himself cleverly diverts us from the truth about his real identity.
what does it mean to say that i am a part of god?
is god a pie that can be divided into 6 billion pieces of humanity or
a machine that is composed of parts.
God is ONE. either he is in you and you are in him or not.
there is no such thing as "well im not really that good,
maybe only 1/4 of the father is in me. that is nonsense..
god is one and omnipresent. that means he and nothing but the whole heis present in every point of spacetime and and every cell of your body. if you ponder that a little bit, you would perhaps come to the conclusion that "god is one" is not a "quantitative" aspect of god as the naive monotheists believed but it is a "qualitative" attribute. which means he is the only one, the entirety. there is nothing outside of him.
what does it mean to say that i am a part of god?
is god a pie that can be divided into 6 billion pieces of humanity or
a machine that is composed of parts.
God is ONE. either he is in you and you are in him or not.
there is no such thing as "well im not really that good,
maybe only 1/4 of the father is in me. that is nonsense..
god is one and omnipresent. that means he and nothing but the whole heis present in every point of spacetime and and every cell of your body. if you ponder that a little bit, you would perhaps come to the conclusion that "god is one" is not a "quantitative" aspect of god as the naive monotheists believed but it is a "qualitative" attribute. which means he is the only one, the entirety. there is nothing outside of him.
We Trinitarians also believe God is not divided (Athanasian Creed Verse 4), but God is ONE.
As for "he and nothing but the whole he is present in every point of spacetime and every cell of your body", St. Augustine of Hippo wrote about this topic in his Confessions. He would say: "Then there is more God in the elephant than in the ant, because there is more cells in the elephant?"
A pie? No, God is infinite. God is everywhere and everything. So we are all a part of God.
Nice graphic... but does the graphic allow the Father and Son to be the "same being" though one directly tells us the other is greater than him? When one knows things the other does not? When one calls the other his "Father and God?" and when one can be completely dead while the other is not dead?
The bible says that Jesus sacrificed his very soul, that he forfeited even his spirit for us... not just letting "his body die so that his spirit immediately returned" ... but that his very spirit/soul died. If other "persons" were members of the same "being... do they have individual spirits/souls? Or, was the Father dead while Jesus was dead?
That's the problem... if they have individual bodies, wills, minds, spirits, and souls... in what way are they "one being" beyond an illustrative, theoretical sense (as a husband and wife are "one flesh," and as Jesus mentioned all are "one" in John 17)?
but this is exactly what i am trying to point out to you.
your belief that you are a part of god that you have concluded from the fact that god is infinite and that god is everything is inconsistent and irrational.
because you cannot rationally justified that infinity can have parts called you. how can an infinity have parts? can you grab a handful of infinity and say here is a part of infinity.? this is me. it has no basis in reality,except as an arbitrary belief.
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Kinda like this one? Hey it's a pretty triangle so it must be true.
How neatly you fit the Creator of the universe into a 2 dimensional drawing.
Sort of like Johnny Quest or Fred Flintstone. Where is that infinite part?
Of course you can. I can grab a handful of water from the ocean and say I have a part of the ocean in my hand...and not diminish the ocean one bit.
sands are discrete particles. the beach is a collection of this countable particles. so what you have in your hand is finite sands. that you got from the finite beach.Or I can grab a single grain of sand from the beach and claim to hold a part of the infinity of space in my hand. The part is not infinite... that's a "duh".
I am that grain of sand to God's universe.
nope. they are integers in a number set theory.Numbers (1,2,3,4 etc) are parts of the universe of infinite numbers...
nope. they are integers in a number set theory.
infinity is not a number,
it's a concept..
How neatly you fit the Creator of the universe into a 2 dimensional drawing.
Sort of like Johnny Quest or Fred Flintstone. Where is that infinite part?
Why do you bother? I didn't say infinity was a number. I said numbers were a part of a universe of infinite numbers. An infinite universe of numbers... an infinite set...get the CONCEPT?
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