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Here's 2 out of 3. You won't see the 3rd until you can see the first two. As you say, God does hide His deeper truth.
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Of course, this only shows there to be 2 persons of God and after reading some of your threads, I'm sure you'll reject it as scriptural proof of a trinity and rightly so because the HS is not in this text.
But, you'd have to concede there are 2 persons called God as this shows the Father speaking of the Son.
Can you concede this point of truth?
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdomWhere does it say anything about God being three persons in Heb. 1:8; it is not there. The word three persons is a non scrpitural religious term. God is one.
Here is a SIMPLE word game for you. Show me a verse which states that Jesus is a person? Show me a verse which states that anyone in scripture is a person? If you cannot find a verse that has the word "person" and any human being together in God''s word, you have no argument. SO SIMPLE!
As I said the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are called or referred to as God, but they are distinct from each other. All three have distinct minds, wills, and selves.
There is no text that says God is made up of three persons. You cannot produce it; manufacture it or dream this information to be in Gods Word; it is not there. You are wrong and no matter how many ways to spin it there is no trinity with out three person.
IF Jesus is equal to God then that proves that he is not God, IF I am equal to you that proves that I am not you.
Plus, unbelieving Jews accusing Jesus of being anything proves nothing.
You are wrong. It does not. alpha and omega are greek letters, the OT wasn't written in Greek.
god personifies his spirit in the bible at times at times he doesn't, when the word of God says "the Holy spirit descended like a dove" the holy Spirit is being spoken of as if it were a seperate being , just as mary spoke of her soul as if it were a seperate being, that is personification.
If I say "My heart goes out to the lost" I have personified my heart in that I have spoken of it as if it were another being other than me, which it is not, In fact my heart isn't even a being but I spoke of it as if it were.
No he does not seperate a portion of himself, that is your doctrine not mine. God is one is my doctrine, and he is the holy spirit and he is God the father, God the father is the holy spirit and god speaks of his spirit sometimes AS IF it were another being, which is personification. I say it's personification you say it's 2 beings that are one being. 2 beings are one being is illogical, personifications are not illogical. If you think you can just decide something is logical and therefore it is logical, you are very mistaken.
What scripture was that please? I'd likely miss it if I was to try trawling back through the pages.
That doesnt make sense when dealing with Divinity, and yet your comments support my point rather well.
We are both human beings. On that basis, we are equal. What do we share? Being human. Our essence is humanity. Now, if Jesus is equal to God- what does He share with God? God's essence is Divinity. Divinity is not created- it just is. It is unique to God. You can I can't be Divine because we are created in His image (check out the Hebrew on that!)m can we? Therefore, we are not equal with God. Now, who is equal with God? Jesus.
Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Sorry...but Jesus is God.
Please deal with the text I already provided. This is your last chance.
then you have 2 gods, just as you have 2 humans in your analogy.That doesnt make sense when dealing with Divinity, and yet your comments support my point rather well.
We are both human beings. On that basis, we are equal. What do we share? Being human. Our essence is humanity. Now, if Jesus is equal to God- what does He share with God? God's essence is Divinity. Divinity is not created- it just is. It is unique to God. You can I can't be Divine because we are created in His image (check out the Hebrew on that!)m can we? Therefore, we are not equal with God. Now, who is equal with God? Jesus.
some bibles have something different for rev. 1.11.CM said:Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Sorry...but Jesus is God.
god is everywhere. He was then and is now. How did he descend like a dove? I could only offer a guess since the bible doesn't say how he descended like a dove. My guess is that it is just a figurative expression to give us some understanding of what he did. Just as the bible says 'the arm of the Lord" or "sit at the right hand of god" or when the God says stuff like "my soul " Just personifications to give us some idea of what god means. NOt exact.CM said:So...where was God? Explain how this theory of yours actually works.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdomWhere does it say anything about God being three persons in Heb. 1:8; it is not there. The word three persons is a non scrpitural religious term. God is one.
Going through the verses either side of this with an interlinear bible, you can see that there is a different root word used that has been translated as God, each time. It suggests a translation error.
Being without sin, Jesus was righteous.
the word is the same on either side and therefore not a translation error.
Can you concede there are 2 Gods; the Father speaking to the Son and calling him God. ANd we know that Jesus called the father, God.
No, Jesus did not descend from anywhere. He was born of Mary and was as much flesh and blood as you and I. He did not come into existence until the point of conception. Prior to that, Jesus existed only in God's mind as the method of salvation for us all and in the scriptures, telling us what the plan was.
God had a savior long before He had a sinner; who are you to say Jesus did not exist before He was conceived of Mary. I agree Jesus was manifested in the Flesh and did not desend from anywhere; but God is one; and there is no trinity or 2 God's but one.
1 Peter 1:19but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. 20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you 21who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
Jesus was not slain at the foundation of the world he was slainmuch much much later, at the time of Pontius Pilate, Most all christians know that. So obviously this verse is saying that God foreknew that Jesus would be slain from the time of the foundation of the world.ichabod said:Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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(Young) 1 Peter 1:20 foreknown, indeed, before the foundation of the world, and manifested in the last times because of you,
There is no question that the Greek word here is foreknown and not foreordained. 1 pet. 1.20 proves nothingabout a preexcistant christ.
Jesus was not slain at the foundation of the world he was slainmuch much much later, at the time of Pontius Pilate, Most all christians know that. So obviously this verse is saying that God foreknew that Jesus would be slain from the time of the foundation of the world.
Is not Jesus God?
Does not God have not a beginning or end; or is Jesus god?
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