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Trickle down theory, did it work?
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jamesrwright3
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...and not because they decided to go with the biggest gas sucking machines they could produce instead of more efficient ones.
tulc(that had nothing to do with it I'm sure)
Nope not really. Those machines had high profit margins and the companies were still in trouble even before there was the high cost of oil and the financial crisis.
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LOL if they walked off the plantation they would be returned if found
Remember the Dred Scott case?
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bexcellent
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Good Point! Why should we worry about it when they can just pluck the money off the government money tree?
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FTPolice
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Of course. He was free to leave. He may have died of starvation or been killed, but he was compensated with food, clothing and shelter so clearly he stayed of his own volition. There were free black men in the north. How hard could it have been to lie about your identity anyway? He was just too lazy to lie about his name then climb up the corporate ladder or start his own business.
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The top-down, undemocratic structure of corporate power places all meaningful economic choices in the hands of owners... workers have no choice but to accept the terms of exploitation they are given, or they suffer and/or starve in a money-driven society that offers no alternatives. All attempts to democratize productive forces or create meaningful social alternatives have been brutally crushed over the last couple of centuries.
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If I and most people in this country are not seeing these relative improvements, why should I support them?
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You have seen those improvements by the standard of living we enjoy today.
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Oh I agree there are problems, but the problems are the institutions themselves. Can you tell me how Bush has control of the budgets of every single university, even private ones? One of the problems has been easy credit for students which gets kids indebted and provides incentive for colleges not to control costs since they can pass on any increase to the student.
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Da Comrade. Owners are not workers. They simply sit around taking money from the proletariat. Forget white collar and blue collar: the future must be brown collar! All attempts to create Social Alternatives and democratize the use of private property have been defeated. However, why should owners be able to make the decisions about their property? It clearly goes against Our Leader's vision for the New Progressive USSA. It is time for the worker's Revolution. Let the streets run red! Obama for all!
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TheNewWorldMan
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And consider back then, at least among the white population, one working man could support a family in a home.
Nowadays, both husband and wife have to work full-time just to make ends meet, and even then many can't afford a home.
Our standard of living peaked over thirty years ago, if you measure it by how a long an average worker had to work to afford housing, transportation, health care, and leisure.
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billwald
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Housing - After WW2 people were happy to have a 1000 sq ft house on a 5000 sq ft lot. Now days people buy 3 of them to tear down for the vacant land.
Car - since WW2 a basic new car has cost about a half year's pay. The difference is that 50 years ago the warranty was 12 months, 12,000 miles. Tires and batteries were good for two years.
Health care would be cheaper if people were satisfied with 1950's health care and meds.
leisure - you gots to be kidding. 50 years ago leisure was a card game on Friday night. Has the cost of that increased?
Car - since WW2 a basic new car has cost about a half year's pay. The difference is that 50 years ago the warranty was 12 months, 12,000 miles. Tires and batteries were good for two years.
Health care would be cheaper if people were satisfied with 1950's health care and meds.
leisure - you gots to be kidding. 50 years ago leisure was a card game on Friday night. Has the cost of that increased?
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There has never been any answer so eloquently given and yet so wrong at the same time. I could spend a lot of time ripping this Marxist diatribe apart. But I won't. I simply don't have the time or the inclination.It is apparent that you hate the rich. That's fine. I can think of other ways to waste your life but whatever. You want to hurt the rich? Here's all you have to do. Put a one time 50% tax on the total value of all trust funds. And if you really want to get them, then go out and tax tax-free municiple bonds. I seriously doubt if the democrats would go for that since most of them live on trust funds and have huge amounts of money in tax-free municiple bonds.
The one chance that we really had for the workers to maintain control of a large portion of capital and the means of production is to privatise social security. Allow my DH to take the money that the government steals from us and invest it in our name in whatever way we want for our retirement. And guess who shot that down? Your freinds in the democrat party. And why would they shoot it down. Because then we wouldn't be dependent on them.
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Which is lower as compared to previous decades, and far lower when compared to how much work we in the bottom 90% are currently doing... for those in the upper 10%, things are going grandly, but even that won't last if they continue to shirk us, the ones who make this economy run.
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