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You are blaming Trump for what both parties have allowed, the rich get richer plus an unsustainable debt.
He's the one. That gave the rich tax breaks, when he was in office.
 
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I am not impressed with it. I see it as inflationary and nothing is mentioned about debt or the deficit which will harm the country in the future. All this shows he is ignorant of economics like the rest of the politicians and the status quo.
OK. You are now running for the Presidency of the USA. What are your policies on fixing the debt and deficit problems? Do you really think that proposing them out loud now will get you elected? Or does a one-term president have the freedom to do what must be done to avoid a financial catastrophe?
How do you help American workers by giving corporations a tax cut?
Unless the corporation enjoys an unregulated monopoly, tax cuts will pass through to consumers as competition causes downward pressure on prices. Also, spurs corporate investment increasing jobs, sends less money to the bloated Leviathans in Washington (starve the beast).
Lowering the Fed funds rate to 1% probably through QE will enable corporations and investors to buy up assets, thus making it hard for Americans to own homes or pay rent, not to mention all the zombie companies created with virtually free money.
What makes it harder on borrowers is government borrowing that crowds out the consumer in the credit markets.
 
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You are blaming Trump for what both parties have allowed, the rich get richer plus an unsustainable debt.
The Republicans do borrow slower, and that's a good thing.

What do the rich do with their wealth? They invest their money in companies that they vet as good bets. What does the government do with deficit spending? Often times, use other people's money to buy votes.
 
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He's the one. That gave the rich tax breaks, when he was in office.
Did the tax breaks spur growth and create jobs? If you are talking about rich households, I agree. Didn't Biden continue Trump's tax plan till 2024? I am not sure he rolled back anything that he campaigned on.
 
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What are your policies on fixing the debt and deficit problems?
How does any household fix its debt?
Do you really think that proposing them out loud now will get you elected?
Probably not but it shows Trump is as dumb as all the rest. I disagree with his policy because it's inflationary.
to do what must be done to avoid a financial catastrophe?
What is this financial catastrophe you speak of?
Unless the corporation enjoys an unregulated monopoly, tax cuts will pass through to consumers as competition causes downward pressure on prices. Also, spurs corporate investment increasing jobs, sends less money to the bloated Leviathans in Washington (starve the beast).
I get you some pass through but the downward pressure comes from demand/ supply.
Also, the tax cuts can also be used to pay CEO outrageous salaries and stock buybacks. Is any CEO with 20 million unless he is the owner of the company?
What makes it harder on borrowers is government borrowing that crowds out the consumer in the credit markets.
The government borrows money from the sale T bills and bonds.
The Republicans do borrow slower, and that's a good thing.
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you tell me how much the government had to borrow for all its wars since 2000?

What do the rich do with their wealth? They invest their money in companies that they vet as good bets. What does the government do with deficit spending? Often times, use other people's money to buy votes.
What the rich did with their wealth because of low interest rates pushed real estate prices beyond reach for me and many other Americans. Created zombie companies and the current commercial real estate crisis.
 
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How does any household fix its debt?
Answer a question with a question is a deflection.
Probably not ...
There you go. The third rail problem affects both parties.

Inflation at the end of Trump's term is reported at 2.3%.

What is this financial catastrophe you speak of?
Answer a question with a question is a deflection.
I get you some pass through but the downward pressure comes from demand/ supply.
Also, the tax cuts can also be used to pay CEO outrageous salaries and stock buybacks. Is any CEO with 20 million unless he is the owner of the company?
Yes. And that is the point. The demand curve does not shift but the supply curve does based on after-tax-income increases; the supply curve to shifts to the right (cp) lowering prices.

What salary do you consider fair for CEO's?
Can
you tell me how much the government had to borrow for all its wars since 2000?
No. However, I suppose I could but what would that exactly mean in this thread on Trumponomics, he was only president from 2016 -2019? If you have researched the data, kindly post it.
What the rich did with their wealth because of low interest rates pushed real estate prices beyond reach for me and many other Americans. Created zombie companies and the current commercial real estate crisis.
Some perhaps. Do you have some data to back up this assertion?
 
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Answer a question with a question is a deflection.
I figured you would understand. Stop Spending or get a different job with higher pay. With the government's higher tax receipts and less spending same principle.
Inflation at the end of Trump's term is reported at 2.3%.
What does this have to do with the price of rice in China? We are talking about this next economic plan and it's inflationary.
The demand curve does not shift but the supply curve does based on after-tax-income increases; the supply curve to shifts to the right (cp) lowering prices.
Wrong, the demand curve shifted in 2020 with stimulus checks and then the supply chain shock. Demand and supply affect each other. The monetary policies of the Federal Reserve are solely designed to slow demand down that is why Powell wants to see unemployment rise. (Phillips Curve)
What salary do you consider fair for CEO's?
The question you didn't answer is 20 million dollars a good wage for the CEO's. how about 100 million? Take the time to look you'll see that not all the tax breaks trickled down.
No. However, I suppose I could but what would that exactly mean in this thread on Trumponomics, he was only president from 2016 -2019? If you have researched the data, kindly post it.
You are the one who says Republicans spend slower were you trying to make Republicans sound better than Democrats? In my eyes, both parties are spending us into oblivion. I've mentioned in the OP about debt. This thread is about what he plans to do in 2024 and it stinks in my opinion.
Some perhaps. Do you have some data to back up this assertion?
For one I tried to buy a house in 2021 and 22 and was overbid 6 times by investors 20k over asking price. The data is on the internet and you can look it up.
 
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How does any household fix its debt? Stop Spending or get a different job with higher pay. With the government's higher tax receipts and less spending same principle.
The question was: What are your policies on fixing the debt and deficit problems? Which categories below would your policies target to reduce spending? (Over 50% of spending is mandatory.)

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We are talking about this next economic plan and it's inflationary.
Maybe. Cheap energy produced in the USA would lower prices for almost everything we buy and reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

What do you propose as alternatives?
Wrong, the demand curve shifted in 2020 with stimulus checks and then the supply chain shock. Demand and supply affect each other. The monetary policies of the Federal Reserve are solely designed to slow demand down that is why Powell wants to see unemployment rise. (Phillips Curve)
First, Trump wasn't president after January 24, 2021.

Second, the supply chain shock preceded Biden's and the Democratic controlled Congress passage along party-lines the $1.9 billion Covid Relief handouts on March 11, 2021:

Republicans in Congress opposed the bill, claiming it to be unaffordable,[72] and claiming the bill only benefitted Democratic-led states. Though the bill provided some funding for Republican-leaning states, 61% of aid would go to states that voted for Biden in November 2020.[125]
Some Democrats argued the bill's provisions were similar to policies Republicans had supported in the Trump administration; Republicans responded by arguing that such measures were no longer necessary, as the economy was no longer in a recession and COVID-19 vaccines were now being administered.[72]

Third, the Fed is not solely designed or tasked to slow demand. The Fed is also tasked to maintain full employment. Powell's monetary policies are not intended to raise unemployment but to constrain the inflationary effects of the irresponsible fiscal policies of the Biden administration.
The question you didn't answer is 20 million dollars a good wage for the CEO's. how about 100 million? Take the time to look you'll see that not all the tax breaks trickled down.
I did answer the question. The CEO's income is determined, as it should be, by the Compensation Commitee of the Board of Directors. And their income is often largely determined by their performance and awarded in stock options. Are you now also claiming that CEO's have special tax breaks? Got any evidence in support?
You are the one who says Republicans spend slower were you trying to make Republicans sound better than Democrats? In my eyes, both parties are spending us into oblivion. I've mentioned in the OP about debt. This thread is about what he plans to do in 2024 and it stinks in my opinion.
And I've asked you what policies would you advocate to reduce spending that do not stink?
For one I tried to buy a house in 2021 and 22 and was overbid 6 times by investors 20k over asking price. The data is on the internet and you can look it up.
An anecdote does not disclose an economic trend. The value of real estate is exactly what a willing buyer and a willing seller agree to. Apparently, you were unwilling to make a fair offer to the seller.

If your particular efforts to make rejected offers for houses are on the internet, then you'll have to link the site for me.
 
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Maybe. Cheap energy produced in the USA would lower prices for almost everything we buy and reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

What do you propose as alternatives?
You picked one item that I didn't complain about but looking at the geopolitical situation we are going to see swings in oil costs unless we quit exporting and take care of Americans first.
First, Trump wasn't president after January 24, 2021.
Why do you sound like a broken record? You keep mentioning the past. See, I don't have a fetish for Trump so when you bring up history it doesn't mean anything to me because we are working on 2024. My kid's future.
What are your policies on fixing the debt and deficit problems?
You don't have to ask me just Google it there are a few ideas. My thoughts on two items quit borrowing from SS and end the endless wars that the Republicans started. Healthcare costs could be reduced by educating the public with the latest science but that won't happen because our government is in bed with food corporations. You must be a new Republican because you don't remember all the fear talk about debt from the Republican party around the Obama admin. Now Republicans pat themselves on the back when they spend Trillion every hundred days.
The value of real estate is exactly what a willing buyer and a willing seller agree to.
Again you will have to think about what I wrote. The buyers happened to be corporations and investors that jacked up asset prices with cheap borrowed money. Apparently I didn't make a good offer but to me, 20k over asking seems like a lot.
Second, the supply chain shock preceded Biden's and the Democratic controlled Congress passage along party-lines the $1.9 billion Covid Relief handouts on March 11, 2021:
Why did the supply chain shock proceed 3/2021 handout?
Are you now also claiming that CEO's have special tax breaks? Got any evidence in support?
You are going to have to critically think about what I said earlier about CEO pay. When did I mention special tax breaks?
by the Compensation Commitee of the Board of Directors.
Funny this reminds me of how our government gets their pay raises.
 
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I think it is important to remember that

1. Trump does not control interest rates, The Federal Reserve is independent, and the idea he can bully the chairman into doing anything is complete nonsense. Inflation is still a problem, and interest rates are going to stay elevated --I am not even confident rates will be cut in September

2. Trump can raise tariffs on certain goods using section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act, but Congress is largely responsible for raising tariffs. I don't think we will see anything like an across-the-board 10% levy on all imports. There could be more tariffs --and I am generally against this, as it is inflationary. But Biden has also implemented tariffs during his administation

3. Taxes need to go up unfortunately, I do not support cutting them further. Unless tax cuts are large, and across-the-board, they do not generally stimulate economic growth. Targeted tax cuts simply don't work, and lower revenues

4. America needs to reindustrialize, and it needs to continue with fossil fuel production. We need to expand nuclear power, start mining rare-earths, etc. Trump supports that.

So Trump's economic policies are a mixed bag

but if we elect a Democrat and continue to go down the "green energy" rabbit hole, we will end up like Germany or worse. Entirely dependent on energy and material imports from hostile foreign powers (China). Consumer energy prices will skyrocket, and national security will be undermined.
 
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Trump does not control interest rates, The Federal Reserve is independent, and the idea he can bully the chairman into doing anything is complete nonsense. Inflation is still a problem, and interest rates are going to stay elevated --I am not even confident rates will be cut in September
I understand the FR should be independent but I remember all the tweets from Trump in 2018 when the Fed was raising interest rates. Did I say anything about Trump's control over interest rates?
Trump can raise tariffs on certain goods using section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act, but Congress is largely responsible for raising tariffs. I don't think we will see anything like an across-the-board 10% levy on all imports. There could be more tariffs --and I am generally against this, as it is inflationary. But Biden has also implemented tariffs during his administation
True. What scares me is the tariffs for income tax rehtoric.
3. Taxes need to go up unfortunately, I do not support cutting them further. Unless tax cuts are large, and across-the-board, they do not generally stimulate economic growth. Targeted tax cuts simply don't work, and lower revenues
Amen! Something I was always against until online money people started talking about debt.
4. America needs to reindustrialize, and it needs to continue with fossil fuel production. We need to expand nuclear power, start mining rare-earths, etc. Trump supports that.
This is key and will cause competition for workers which will increase wages. I like nuclear as an alternative energy and yes we have to ween ourselves off China for the rare earths, they can easily play the tariff game along with the USA.
So Trump's economic policies are a mixed bag

but if we elect a Democrat and continue to go down the "green energy" rabbit hole, we will end up like Germany or worse. Entirely dependent on energy and material imports from hostile foreign powers (China). Consumer energy prices will skyrocket, and national security will be undermined.
The lunacy of Germany, Trump was right about surrendering to Russia because of their green virtue signaling. I didn't agree with the government spending on EV's because knowing we don't produce the raw materials our EVs will always cost more than China's. We wasted money on the EV push because the consumer wasn't buying and we don't have the electrical infrastructure for extra load on our power grid. Biden was appeasing his green base. I could easily buy an EV because I own solar panels so my electric bill won't be impacted that much but my 2005 4Runner is running just fine.
 
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With an economic war, tariffs go both ways.

From the R side, I've been hearing about debt since Bush and how many trillions are we in debt now? Politicians are ignorant about economics.

If you look at the big picture manufacturing has flatlined since the GFC or is way below trend. I think it was the Federal Reserve monetary policy after the GFC that depressed manufacturing some how, QE???
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No doubt both parties are responsible for our debt ... it's an atrocity .... there are several things that is causing our "tight" economical situation.

Signs that can indicate a healthy economy include low unemployment, a steady growth of inflation, increases in new home construction, optimism measured by the consumer confidence index, and an increasing gross domestic product (GDP).

When GDP is growing, especially if inflation is not a problem, workers and businesses are generally better off than when it is not.

When the Federal Reserve increases the money supply, inflation may occur. More often than not, if the Fed is attempting to stimulate the economy by growing the money supply, prices will increase, the cost of goods will be unstable, and inflation will likely occur.

Of course there are a few different things that cause inflation and effect the economy.

Total Government Spending More Than Quadruples - Federal Budget in Pictures

Regardless ... we will have to endure .... come what may ... regardless who is at the helm ... we live in very uncertain times.

On the personal side the best position a person can be in .... regardless of the economy is to not have significant debt ... my son and I have worked very hard to do the best we can in this regard until it looks like the country is in a "stable" condition. We paid off everything and how we move forward will be determined after the next election ... it's a "crap shoot". LOL We own real estate without having any loans and have some savings and will sit there until after the election and a few months thereafter to see if the economy picks up or not ??? Even if the bottom drops out ... we should be ok.

Time will tell.
 
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You picked one item that I didn't complain about ...
Good for you.
... but looking at the geopolitical situation we are going to see swings in oil costs unless we quit exporting and take care of Americans first.
No, not at all. In fact, just the opposite is likely. If we drill at home the price per barrel of oil will drop and so will OPEC's influence in politically setting prices for oil thereby reducing the swings in oil costs to US refiners. If we produce more than demanded by US consumers (and project that will be the case into the future) then no problem in exporting the excess production.

You do know that the effect of lower energy costs will lower the cost to produce and deliver almost all goods that consumers demand, right? And that will have deflationary effects on the overall economy?
Why do you sound like a broken record? You keep mentioning the past. See, I don't have a fetish for Trump so when you bring up history it doesn't mean anything to me because we are working on 2024. My kid's future.
The ad hominem only demonstrates your lack of arguments. The appeal to emotion isn't rational. I can't argue with how you feel. If bringing up Trump's history doesn't mean a thing to you then stop bringing it up.

My thoughts on two items quit borrowing from SS and end the endless wars that the Republicans started.
And which party gave us the poorly thought through SS program? Once the progressive politicians succeed in giving candy to constituents, taking it back is political suicide. Did you ever try to take a bone from a dog?
Healthcare costs could be reduced ...
And which party gave us the poorly thought through Medicare program?
You must be a new Republican because you don't remember all the fear talk about debt from the Republican party around the Obama admin. Now Republicans pat themselves on the back when they spend Trillion every hundred days.
Finger pointing doesn't do much to resolve the basic problem of excessive entitlement enacted by progressives. Yes, Republicans warn us constantly as we approach the fiscal abyss, more so than the tax-and-spend liberals.
Why did the supply chain shock proceed 3/2021 handout?
I presume you meant "precede". Over reaction to the Covid virus.
You are going to have to critically think about what I said earlier about CEO pay. When did I mention special tax breaks?
That would be right here:

The question you didn't answer is 20 million dollars a good wage for the CEO's. how about 100 million? Take the time to look you'll see that not all the tax breaks trickled down.
If that is not what you meant then consider writing your posts a bit more comprehensively.
Again you will have to think about what I wrote. The buyers happened to be corporations and investors that jacked up asset prices with cheap borrowed money. Apparently I didn't make a good offer but to me, 20k over asking seems like a lot.
I did think, as always, critically. The asking price just begins the negotiating process in real estate transactions and is technically not an offer to sell. As you reported it the sellers did not ask for more; the buyers offered more. That's just the way free markets operate.
Funny this reminds me of how our government gets their pay raises.
Not exactly. The Board is up for re-election every few years or so depending on the corporate charter's bylaws. If they mismanage the shareholder's money they do not continue as directors. They, unlike liberal federal politicians cannot buy votes with other people's money. Big difference.
 
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The ad hominem only demonstrates your lack of arguments.
Dude, I really don't want to argue with you or hear you glorify your political guy. I'd rather you talk about Trump's ideas from his Bloomberg interview. I'm not sure I brought up Trump's history show me. Here let me help you with this and talk about this only hopefully with an open mind.

The rest of the spelling corrections and complaints about comprehensive replies show me you are triggered. So this is going to be my last reply to you.
 
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Dude, I really don't want to argue with you ...
You posted your OP in one of the "Discussion and Debate" forums. What did you expect? BTW, you may address me as Mr. Dude.
... or hear you glorify your political guy.
Strawman.
The link doesn't work. Why don't you summarize indicating the problems you have with what Trump said?
The rest of the spelling corrections and complaints about comprehensive replies show me you are triggered.
Triggered? Not at all. But I do pushback on incorrect claims. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

Nor did I complain but I did offer arguments against your irrational opinions to which you will not or cannot respond.
So this is going to be my last reply to you.
OK.
 
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These guys say that tariffs will raise incomes. I wonder if it still holds if tariff wars begin. But here it is:

 
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