Tribulation physics

[dad]

Future changes in creatures according to the bible will be fast and major. The Tribulation is at that final period on earth just prior to, and leading into the time when the earth will be ruled by God. Creatures like wolves and lions will eat grass, which means of course major major changes. This is to be far far far faster than any present day evolving could ever take place. In a matter of months after the Tribulation, we will see the changed creatures. This brings up the question about past evolution on earth. If the nature of that day was also different, then evolving was also probably fast fast fast.

Another Tribulation evolution hallmark will be that human life spans will jump, due to changed nature and laws, most likely. Certainly in the Millennium the bible indicates this to be the case. In the days just before the Millennium also we see that men can't die when they want to, so it is possible that the different nature will exist at that time.

The laws of physics will not be as we know them now during the Tribulation. We are told of atmospheric changes that allow huge ice hailstones about 100 pounds each. The plate movements we know now to be slow and small will be huge and fast apparently also. Every mountain on earth leveled, and every island moved out of it's place. The sun will go out. In this present time and according to science that would mean the death of all life on earth. Not so in that time!

The stars also will all go out. We also will again see spirits living directly on earth among men. Demons from space and below the earth. Angels also broadcasting to mankind. This reminds us of the pre flood era, when spirits married humans.

The fundamental laws will be so different that apparently even motors and planes will not work. This is evidenced by a mass exodus of refugees from Israel, who the government of the day wants to kill every one of them...but can't! In this present time we would see airplanes and helicopters, etc simply mow them down. Easily.

At one point a third of the plants on earth will die. The sea life also. Yet, somehow people live on...so we may have the fast plant and tree growth again. Certainly months after (or days) the Tribulation we will have the fast growth.

From dust man was made and to dust he returned in Adam's day. That process was likely FAST, because we see that no remains of man or fossils from that time exist! In the Tribulation again, we see at the final battle, an army that apparently dies on it's feet. The eyes will decay away in their heads. This is the sort of after death rapid decaying that one might expect if man again was in a changed nature and returned to the dust very fast!

Science has assumed a present nature and laws, and present state evolving rates and processes etc to formulate all their bizarre anti bible scenarios of origins.

Intelligent people everywhere should put science in it's little place.


That place is not above God, or overruling His word to man on the past or future.

 

[Jamin4422]

The eyes will decay away in their heads.

Most understand this to mean that Israel will be under attack and they will use nuclear weapons to defend themselves.

 

[dad]

Most understand this to mean that Israel will be under attack and they will use nuclear weapons to defend themselves.

I have heard that, and used to buy it. However did this happen at Hiroshima?

Zec 14:12 -And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Further proof that it could not be nuclear weapons comes in that we know where this battle and plague happen. Near Jerusalem. Yet the people in the land who believe are fine. We can rule out nukes!!!!!

 

[Jamin4422]

I have heard that, and used to buy it. However did this happen at Hiroshima?

Zec 14:12 -And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

This is my understanding of what happened at Hiroshima. "Nuclear weapons emit large amounts of thermal radiation as visible, infrared, and ultraviolet light. This is known as "Flash".[6] The chief hazards are burns and eye injuries." wiki

People should be rather amazed that we have an exact description of a nuclear weapon. Yet this was written 2600 years ago. Long before these weapons were ever developed. Even John in Rev 2,000 years ago talks about "[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]sea of glass mixed with fire". Again a description of a Nuclear weapon, thousands of years before these weapons were ever developed. In fact they were only developed in the last 50 years. [/FONT]

 

[The Engineer]

So you're telling us that, according to the bible, the laws of nature will change during the end-times.

How is that relevant in a science board?

 

[Jamin4422]

How is that relevant in a science board?

This is perhaps something you need to tell us. How can you reconcile Isaiah Ch 11 with Darwin's theory? Do you think that mutations are going to take place in the DNA that will allow all of this to happen? What would it take for a Lion to eat straw like an OX?


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Isaiah 11:6-10

New King James Version (NKJV)
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6 “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb,
The leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
The calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
And a little child shall lead them.
7 The cow and the bear shall graze;
Their young ones shall lie down together;
And the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 The nursing child shall play by the cobra’s hole,
And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper’s den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain,
For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord
As the waters cover the sea.

 

[The Engineer]

This is perhaps something you need to tell us.

What do you mean by that?

How can you reconcile Isaiah Ch 11 with Darwin's theory?

Not at all. Evolution is driven by natural selection. It doesn't just happen.

Do you think that mutations are going to take place in the DNA that will allow all of this to happen?

No.

What would it take for a Lion to eat straw like an OX?

I'd say a brain tumor, but I guess that's not what you want to hear.

 

[dad]

So you're telling us that, according to the bible, the laws of nature will change during the end-times.

How is that relevant in a science board?

That depends...does science use current laws to forcast that the sun will go out one day billions of years from now? Does science assume present laws in the early earth and history? If so, then obviously it has everything to do with it.

 

[dad]

This is my understanding of what happened at Hiroshima. "Nuclear weapons emit large amounts of thermal radiation as visible, infrared, and ultraviolet light. This is known as "Flash".[6] The chief hazards are burns and eye injuries." wiki

People should be rather amazed that we have an exact description of a nuclear weapon. Yet this was written 2600 years ago. Long before these weapons were ever developed. Even John in Rev 2,000 years ago talks about "[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]sea of glass mixed with fire". Again a description of a Nuclear weapon, thousands of years before these weapons were ever developed. In fact they were only developed in the last 50 years. [/FONT]

Except that the tongues did not decay away in their mouths, nor body flesh generally consume away while they were on their feet. You are taking one similarity and declaring that you know this to be exactly what was spoken of, and you can't do that.

As I pointed out the area and city nearby will not be destroyed by any nuke, but will go on to be the capitol of the world almost right away. Therefore it has to be something else.

 

[dad]

I'd say a brain tumor, but I guess that's not what you want to hear.

A brain tumor would not change the stomach to where a carnivore became ruminant.

 

[Jamin4422]

As I pointed out the area and city nearby will not be destroyed by any nuke, but will go on to be the capitol of the world almost right away. Therefore it has to be something else.

The earth is going to be cleansed by fire, you can work that out anyway you want. It is Jerusalem that will use the bomb, so I do not think they will do anything to harm themselves. I have no interest to study warfare, so I am not really up on all the latest implements of destruction.

"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up." II Peter 3:10

 

[dad]

The earth is going to be cleansed by fire, you can work that out anyway you want.

That is easy to work out. It is spelled out exactly when that happens. At the end of the 1000 years.

It is Jerusalem that will use the bomb, so I do not think they will do anything to harm themselves. I have no interest to study warfare, so I am not really up on all the latest implements of destruction.

If nature changes the nukes won't work anyhow. And nukes could not fit the bill for the rapid decaying away of flesh, eyes and tongue as they stand...all without affecting the local city and population.

"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up." II Peter 3:10

To state the obvious that will not be at the Tribulation....or millennium. Irrelevant.

 

[Jamin4422]

I'd say a brain tumor, but I guess that's not what you want to hear.

There was a illness with Nebuchadnezzar where we are told he would eat grass like an oxen. His condition reminds me very much of the ungroomed situation Howard Hughes found himself in at the end of his life. Although now they say Hughes just had extreme OCD. But a lot of stuff now a days is a catch all term.

 

[Jamin4422]

To state the obvious that will not be at the Tribulation....or millennium. Irrelevant.

Ok, I thought the point of your post was to talk about the changes that are going to take place during the millennium. Do you have any mechanism that God will use to bring about these changes. Something related to science? So you think the "Day of the Lord" is post millennium and not pre millennium?

 

[The Engineer]

A brain tumor would not change the stomach to where a carnivore became ruminant.

The thing is, animals do strange stuff when they have a brain tumor.

By the way, nowhere in the bible does it state that lions will survive this, right?

 

[Jamin4422]

By the way, nowhere in the bible does it state that lions will survive this, right?

Jesus is the Lion of Judah. Of course lions will survive. At least Eden is going to survive this. If Adam and Eve had not sinned God's plan was for Eden to expand and fill the world. Even today we know that farming and civilization spread to the rest of the world from the Middle East.

Reminds me of the White Snow Leopard. An almost mythical creature that few people had ever seen. Yet today you can go to Las Vegas and see them on stage in the Magic Shows there. My brother tells me a story about when he met the man who wrote the book on White Snow Leopards. As he was walking out of the room my brother was walking in. He said don't believe anything they tell you. It took my brother years to figure that out.

 

[Jamin4422]

If nature changes the nukes won't work anyhow.

Nukes are a byproduct of Uranium power. They will be using a different element like Thorium so there will be no nukes at that time.

 

[TLK Valentine]

So you're telling us that, according to the bible, the laws of nature will change during the end-times.

How is that relevant in a science board?

Well, I'll tell you this much -- if any of this stuff actually begins to happen, Dad will be everyone's go-to guy.

Until then, he'll remain everyone's entertainment.

 

[dad]

Ok, I thought the point of your post was to talk about the changes that are going to take place during the millennium. Do you have any mechanism that God will use to bring about these changes. Something related to science? So you think the "Day of the Lord" is post millennium and not pre millennium?

?? The day of the Lord is the Tribulation, no? That is before the rule of Christ. Not sure how man would know the mechanisms God uses. But the changes in the final days are clear and many, and I do not think that they could happen in our present world and state. Much like the flood!

 

[dad]

The thing is, animals do strange stuff when they have a brain tumor.

By the way, nowhere in the bible does it state that lions will survive this, right?

Why not?? People survive it. Eagles also. We are told of lions and other creatures in the immediate period following thhis Tribulation. Where would they come from? There is no mention that asps and lions and wolves and etc will be ferried in from outer space.