Treason/ the A.C.L.U.

[MachZer0]

Well as we all know there's always someone somewhere who doesn't like someone else, this is more along the lines of trying to protect people from that dislike. And it would seem that the Courts agreed.
tulc(that Constitution, it's quite the document)

I wonder how the courts (and the ACLU) would respond if one of the homosexual clubs excluded a member of Westboro Baptist Church from membership. Would they then be forced to give up their ASB status?

 

[WorldIsMine]

The ACLU is stupid, politically correct agency. But 90% of its stupidity comes from its association and orientation toward the State, IE government.
Treason is an idiotic idea. How am I bound to obey a sovereign which I have never given my allegiance to?

 

[Nathan Poe]

The Supreme Court majority went out of its way to state that they were not ruling on the morality of the matter. The ruling stated that the Boy Scouts are protected under the 1st amendment. The ACLU was part of the effort to deny them that constitutional right. That makes them the bad guys.

But the Boy Scouts regularly receive support from the US government -- that makes them an agent of the government.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I wonder how the courts (and the ACLU) would respond if one of the homosexual clubs excluded a member of Westboro Baptist Church from membership. Would they then be forced to give up their ASB status?

ASB?
Are you aware of any homosexual members of the WBC?

 

[tulc]

I wonder how the courts (and the ACLU) would respond if one of the homosexual clubs excluded a member of Westboro Baptist Church from membership. Would they then be forced to give up their ASB status?

Well if he'd been a member since he was 8 and had worked his way up to leadership position and had been honest in an article that never mentioned him being in the GLBT club but that he was member of Westbouro Baptist and they then kicked him out for that reason and he sued to get reinstated, they would probably take his side.
tulc(of course we're both just wondering about hypothetical situations here)

 

[Morcova]

Based on the responses to your post, it appears that the 1st Amendment is only meant to apply to people who follow the liberal agenda

Try reading his post again.

 

[TroubleShooter43]

ASB?
Are you aware of any homosexual members of the WBC?

I believe that would be the founder, Fred Phelps. Also, given the sheer number of little spawn running around, there are going to be at least one or two others.

 

[MachZer0]

ASB?
Are you aware of any homosexual members of the WBC?

So are you saying that membership in homosexual clubs on campus is and should be limited to homosexuals?

 

[tulc]

So are you saying that membership in homosexual clubs on campus is and should be limited to homosexuals?

Who said that?
tulc(which post was that said in?)

 

[Nathan Poe]

So are you saying that membership in homosexual clubs on campus is and should be limited to homosexuals?

No, I'm asking a question -- are you capable of answering it?

 

[Adivi]

Excuse me, but to many people, being homosexual is a bad thing. So now, we have the government in the position of dictating our morality to us?

To some people, being black is a bad thing.

Are you now saying that we cannot have anti-racism laws?

 

[MachZer0]

No, I'm asking a question -- are you capable of answering it?

I would if it had any relevance whatsoever to the discussion. If you can explain the relevance, I'll give an answer. Are you capable of explaining the relevance?

 

[MachZer0]

To some people, being black is a bad thing.

Are you now saying that we cannot have anti-racism laws?

Would you give full membership rights to such a person into a group that was a pro-black club. Let's say you had a Jr NAACP club on campus. Would you allow full membership to a devout Skinhead? Remember, doing so could allow enough Skinheads to join to actually elect one of them as President of the club

 

[Adivi]

Would you give full membership rights to such a person into a group that was a pro-black club. Let's say you had a Jr NAACP club on campus. Would you allow full membership to a devout Skinhead? Remember, doing so could allow enough Skinheads to join to actually elect one of them as President of the club

Well, I would presume that the Jr. NAACP club would have rules about how members' conducts must be consistent with the promotion of the rights of African-Americans, so I wouldn't have a problem with the Skinhead being let in.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I would if it had any relevance whatsoever to the discussion. If you can explain the relevance, I'll give an answer. Are you capable of explaining the relevance?

It was your own statement, Mach -- you asked what would happen if a WBC member attempted to join a homosexual club. I was curious or your own relevence (as usual) and want to know if you really knew of such a person.

Do you?

 

[MachZer0]

Well, I would presume that the Jr. NAACP club would have rules about how members' conducts must be consistent with the promotion of the rights of African-Americans, so I wouldn't have a problem with the Skinhead being let in.

So you would allow the African-Americans to have greater rights in the club that whites

 

[MachZer0]

It was your own statement, Mach -- you asked what would happen if a WBC member attempted to join a homosexual club. I was curious or your own relevence (as usual) and want to know if you really knew of such a person.

Do you?

Yes, that was my question and it had nothing to do with WBC members being homosexual. So you're question seems to lack relevance

 

[Adivi]

So you would allow the African-Americans to have greater rights in the club that whites

Not African-Americans per se, just people who want to promote equality as it applies to African-Americans. You can have white people wanting that.

 

[Maverick3000]

So you would allow the African-Americans to have greater rights in the club that whites

Its called freedom to assemble. Private clubs can have as strict of regulations of whoever can be in as they want. Its no different from allowing churches having creeds or baptisms be required to join.

 

[trunks2k]

As far as the Truth Bible Club is concerned, it seems that the courts did not agree and the article linked by serious gives the reasons why;

For college student groups, any group that receives money from the school must allow any student in it provided that student is not disrupting the stated purpose of the group. You can't kick out a member without a reason. There's a Supreme Court ruling on the issue, which was actually brought about by a conservative student. I don't remember the specifics, but I had to attend a meeting on this several years ago because I was an officer for a student group. Something about a group of conservative students being upset that school funds (which they indirectly pay for) was going to a liberal group, but the result of the ruling was that in order to get funds from the school you had to let anyone in. There was a separate class of student groups that would not get funding from the school but could restrict membership how it deemed fit - the only advantage was having a special account for the funds that were raised independently. I'd imagine that something similar applies to high schools and middle school student groups -- you can't keep someone from being in a school-sponsored group unless they are disrupting the group.