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Hey everyone,

I just read through the thread and I have got to admire all those who had the patience and fortitude to deal with SOF. I find it amazing that he can shout to everyone that he is a patriot yet at the same time want to tear down the fabric of the country he claims to be a patriot of. If he but understood that an organisation like the ACLU is one of only a few that is standing between him and tyranny, he might change his tune, thought I doubt it. In the end I suppose he would embrace a tyranny if, and only if, that tyranny was based on "his personal" interpretations on the bible, "his personal" perceptions of the creator and "his personal" ideas of what constitutes christianity. There are times when I almost hoped there really were a god, if only to see the look on SOF's face when he found out that he (SOF) was dead wrong about everything he believed. That would be a priceless moment.
 
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Is it really such a bad thing for America to fail? As a US citizen I accept that the idea of America is worthwhile, but the reality is a horrific aberration from what should be so IMO it's not really worth defending.
 
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Is it really such a bad thing for America to fail? As a US citizen I accept that the idea of America is worthwhile, but the reality is a horrific aberration from what should be so IMO it's not really worth defending.

Then it's not really "America" that should fail, but what it's been turned into by the people we were foolish enough to leave in charge. Only then can we restore America.
 
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I fully am aware of what I am saying. The a.c.l.u. is an evil wicked bunch of human beings. They are traitors!!! How else do you want me to say it??? They are defending communists/ terrorist/ MLBA (Men who want to make it legal to have sex with boys!!!)/ abortion/ homosexuality...ect.. Believe me, I know what I am saying and I know it is a serious charge!!!

They are vile and evil. The GOD of Abraham is extremely angry with them for their evil. They will pay for the evil that they are doing; however, in the mean time they are destroying this nation.


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Randal David Ankeney - Republican activist
- arrested on suspicion of sexual assault on a minor
- charged with 6 counts of providing a 13-year-old girl with "pot" before having relations
- accused of sexually assaulting a 2nd girl.

Jim Bakker - televangelist
- committed adultery with Jessica Hahn
- used charitable donations to pay for her silence
- several fellow televangelists believe he's gay
- indicted on 23 federal charges of fraud, tax evasion, and racketeering.

Bob Barr - Republican Congressman (Georgia)
- sponsored the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act
- married 3x / paid for his second wife's abortion
- failed to pay child support to the children of his first 2 wives
- photographed licking whipped cream off of strippers at his inaugural party.

Parker J. Bena - Republican
- pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography / lying to the FBI
- sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Louis Beres - past chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon.
- 3 family members accused him of molesting them as children
- Beres confessed

John Bolton - President George W. Bush's choice for ambassador to the United Nations
- accused by former wife of forcing her to participate in a "group relations"
- several sources link Bolton to Plato's Retreat - a NYC swinger's club

Jim Bunn - Congressman (Oregon)
- supported by the Christian Coalition
- immediately after election abandoned wife and 5 children to married a staffer
- put his new wife on the state payroll ($97,500)

George W. Bush - President of the United States
- accused of raping Margie Schoedinger, who in turn died in a questionable case of suicide.
- accused of having an affair with Tammy Phillips, a former stripper
- wife of Red Blount, a Republican candidate during Bush's Air National Guard
days, accused GWB of engaging in inappropriate behavior with her 14 year old daughter

Neil Bush - brother of G. W. Bush,
- admitted having repeated "relations" with unknown women during Asian business trip.
- questionable ties to the security of the World Trade Towers in the 9/11 attacks

Ken Calvert - Congressman (R-California)
- champion of the Christian Coalition
- sued for withholding child support
- caught in the act with a prostitute by police officers
- attempt to flee the scene unsuccessful

Helen Chenoweth - Congresswoman (R-Id.)
- admitted to a six-year adulterous affair with a married associate
- Chenoworth's response: "I've asked for God's forgiveness, and I've received it"

Mark Foley - Republican Representative, Florida 16th Congressional District
- resigned after trying to solicit sex from male congressional pages
- cover-up iincluded Republican House Majority Leader John Boehner and Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert

Newt Gingrich,
- married 3x while spouting Christian values the entire time
- filed for divorce while one wife was in the hospital recovering from cancer treatments.

Philip Giordano - Republican mayor of Waterbury, Connecticut
- sentenced by a state court to serve 37 years for forcing two little girls to engage in crimminal acts in his Waterbury City Hall office.
- phone records and pictures linked Giordano with a prostitute, her 10-year-old niece and her 8-year-old daughter

Matthew Glavin - president and CEO of the Southeastern Legal Foundation,
- major proponent of the Clinton Impeachment
- arrested multiple times for public indecency

Neal Horsley - right wing advocate
- admitted on the Fox News Radio to engaging in indecent acts
- convicted of possession of hashish with intent to sell.

Lewis "Scooter" Libby - Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney
- convicted of perjury but prison sentence commuted by the President.
- published a novel containing bizarre sexual content:holy:

Rush Limbaugh - talk show pundit and advocate of moral values
- divorced 3x.
- anti-drug crusader with a 30-pill a day drug addict.
- his placed himself open to criticism by repeatedly making trips to "tourist" locations notorious for attracting western pedophiles
- one of his drug arrests occurred while returning from the Dominican Republic.

Jeff Miller, (R-Cleveland) -Senate Republican Caucus Chairman in Tennessee
- sponsor of Tennessee’s Marriage Protection act to preserve the sanctity of marriage.
- divorced in April 2005 after an "office affair"
- then opposed an amendment to the Marriage Protection Act stating that “Adultery is deemed to be a threat to the institution of marriage and contrary to public policy in Tennessee.”

Joseph M. McDade - Pennsylvania Republican congressman (36 years)
- charged with public exposure

Bill O'Reilly - host of the "O'Reilly factor"
- sued for sexual harassment by his producer
- settled for an undisclosed amount of money

Bob Packwood - Senator (R-Ore.)
- resigned in 1995 rather than face public senate hearings concerning allegations of "sexual harrassment" by 10 female ex-staffers
- 19 women (including a 17 year old) testified to his repeated harrassment while Packwood was "under the influence"
- instead of showing remorse, Packwood attempted to use his position to intimidate witnesses

George Roche III,
-charged with 19 year affair with his son's wife,
- she committed suicide with a handgun
- Roche III resigned from public life

Joe Scarborough - Republican Congressman
- resigned after allegations of having an affair with intern
- Scarborough's female intern then found dead in his office
- medical officer declared the death an accident but license revoked for falsifying information in an autopsy report

Ed Schrock - Republican Congressman
- 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition.
- Co-sponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment opposing gay rights.
- married with children
- political career ended after tapes of "soliciting" for gay sex surfaced

Dr. Laura Schlessinger - right wing conservative radio host,
- promotes family values / estranged from her mother,
- opposed to birth control hysterectomy
- opposed to adultery / has committed adultery while she was married,
- opposed divorce / divorced and remarried,

Arnold Schwarzenegger -California Republican governor
- admitted during a Oui interview that at 28 having relations with a 16-year old .
- in Oregon that could have placed him in a correctional facility

Joe Brauns - campaign manager for Republican legislator Jean Schmidt
- accused of running his own sex profile on Collarme, an S&M sex site

Jimmy Swaggart - televangelist:holy:
- exposed another Assemblies of God minister (Marvin Gorman) for having an affair with a parishioner
- the next year Swaggart then exposed Jim Bakker's sexual indiscretions
- stated on the Larry King Show stating that Bakker was a "cancer in the body of Christ."
- Marvin Gorman's private-detective later took pictures of Swaggart in a Louisiana motel with a prostitute

Randall Terry - founder of Operation Rescue,
- imprisoned for sending former President Bill Clinton an aborted fetus.
- censured by his church after committing adultery

Strom Thurmond - southern republican senator and racist According to information revealed toward the end of his life
- raped a 15-year old African American maid.
- quietly sent child support payments to his mother of his child

Jim West - Spokane Mayor
- attempted to stop gays and lesbians from working in schools, day-care centers and some state agencies
- had an affair with a 18-year old male

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ShieldOFaith has been "free" with his allegations, but accusations/convictions against prominent Republicans and the members of the Religious Right indicate that with their "glass houses" in disarray, they are no position to claim moral superiority over the ACLU or anybody else.

Accusations are not always supported by fact, but such "legal techicalities" have never deterred conservatives in their "self righteous" crusades in the past:holy:
 
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As it's been pointed out before, the radicalized far-right are hypocrites and morally bankrupt.

Add two more to the list.

Larry Craig - the Republican Politician whos career went down the drain after he was arrested for sticking his food underneath the stall and "rubbing" an undercover agent's foot in an airport restroom. The agent was there on a sting for solicitation for anonymous sex, since it had been an on-going problem with that restroom. The signal that Craig was passing to the officer was known to be the "green light" for anonymous homosexual sex.

Ted Haggard - What is there really to said? A man of "God" who who engaged in drug use and sex with a male prostitute.
 
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Is it really such a bad thing for America to fail? As a US citizen I accept that the idea of America is worthwhile, but the reality is a horrific aberration from what should be so IMO it's not really worth defending.

Every nation will eventually fail. Every nation has. God tells us to look to Him and His gift of eternal life, not nations. Even the Earth and Sun shall pass.

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The vileness of the a.c.l.u. is documented.

Their hatred for the U.S. is legendary.

They should be arrested for Treason, and sentenced accordingly.

This is right and good.

The time to act is now, before we have not country left.
Shield...you would have everyone who does not agree with you arrested or eliminated some how. So why is the ACLU any different than everyone else?

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I fully am aware of what I am saying. The a.c.l.u. is an evil wicked bunch of human beings. They are traitors!!! How else do you want me to say it??? They are defending communists/ terrorist/ MLBA (Men who want to make it legal to have sex with boys!!!)/ abortion/ homosexuality...ect.. Believe me, I know what I am saying and I know it is a serious charge!!!
Are you suggesting that America's Constitution and Bill of Rights are really communist text? WOW...that IS a serious charge!! That would make all of the founding fathers communist sympathizers.

All the ACLU is doing is working within the confines of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. That's all. The ONLY way they could be defending communism is if our constitution was a communist test. If you don't like the Constitution and Bill of Rights...you do need to start your own country. Because here in America they define our rights as Americans....and your clearly not liking the rights the founding fathers gave us.


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As it's been pointed out before, the radicalized far-right are hypocrites and morally bankrupt.

Add two more to the list.

Larry Craig - the Republican Politician whos career went down the drain after he was arrested for sticking his food underneath the stall and "rubbing" an undercover agent's foot in an airport restroom. The agent was there on a sting for solicitation for anonymous sex, since it had been an on-going problem with that restroom. The signal that Craig was passing to the officer was known to be the "green light" for anonymous homosexual sex.

Ted Haggard - What is there really to said? A man of "God" who who engaged in drug use and sex with a male prostitute.

In all fairness, the Democrats aren't much better, but at least Clinton and Spitzer were caught having sex with women. ;)
 
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Then it's not really "America" that should fail, but what it's been turned into by the people we were foolish enough to leave in charge. Only then can we restore America.

Absolutely...that's why I said I was patriotic to America as an idea. And very much so, I might add...I love the principle of a country based on freedom and human rights. But it has had it's chance and failed miserably so why should we care anymore? If that beautiful idea can be saved then I hope it is, but I'm very sceptical that that's possible given the state of US political discussion.
 
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Because having sex with a man would be a bad thing, right? :thumbsup:
It's the irony behind all of this. It's the Republicans who are the loudest voice against homosexuals...yet they are the ones who are having the most homosexual controversies surrounding them.

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Now I'm beginning to understand how one can accummulate 19 548 posts and 460 179 reps in 3 years
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1. the best defense is a good offense
2. why confuse the issue with facts
3. rely on gross generalities
4. frustrate the opposition/avoid logic at all costs
5. limit your responses to "one liners"
6. personal attacks are good substitutes for logical responses
7. redirect the "discussion" rather than respond
8. don't waste time researching
9. assume your opposition are all fools - afterall they 're wasting their time responding to you
10. if in doubt declare that the opponnent's post is irrelevant to the point (Another irrelevant post which does not even attempt to address the point.)
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Now I'm beginning to understand how one can accummulate 19 548 posts and 460 179 reps in 3 years
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- the best defense is a good offense
- why confuse the issue with facts
- rely on gross generalities
- limit your responses to "one liners"
- personal attacks are good substitutes for logical responses
- redirect the "discussion" rather than respond
- don't waste time researching
- assume your opposition are all fools - afterall they 're wasting their time responding to you:groupray:
Another irrelevant post which does not even attempt to address the point
 
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