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Treament of Animals

How important should we view animals?

  • As important as people.

  • As a priority directly after people's needs.

  • As creatures that were made for people's benefit.

  • Animals don't matter except for food.

  • Not sure.


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How much then should people value animals?

How much do you think God values animals and why are they here?

Also, what are your views on using animal's to test things on? I know it may seem cruel to rub chemicals on animals to see if they are harmful, but what about all those great shampoos and conditioners you have that wouldn't be there if it weren't for testing that? What do you think?...
 

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My vote goes between just under a persons needs and above the benefits for humans. Animals cannot be as important as people for two reasons.

1. Animals were not given a soul in the same sense as man was given a soul. Therefore man definately is above the animal kingdom.

2. Also, man was given dominion over the world. This shows the importance of man over the animal kingdom. Also, this is found as God direct man to sacrifice animals for the atonement for sins.

This does not mean that man can abuse animals. Man may have been design to dominate the earth, but man still has a responsibility before God to use the resources properly.
 
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fuzzyh said:
My vote goes between just under a persons needs and above the benefits for humans. Animals cannot be as important as people for two reasons.

1. Animals were not given a soul in the same sense as man was given a soul. Therefore man definately is above the animal kingdom.

2. Also, man was given dominion over the world. This shows the importance of man over the animal kingdom. Also, this is found as God direct man to sacrifice animals for the atonement for sins.

This does not mean that man can abuse animals. Man may have been design to dominate the earth, but man still has a responsibility before God to use the resources properly.

We don't know whether animals have a soul. I do believe animals do go to Heaven or Hell. But because God has not made it our responsibility for their salvation we have to trust that God knows what's best. Animals were punished in the Fall as were Adam and Eve. They obviously know right from wrong.

The Bible says there are animals in Heaven. So whatever the situation God will ultimately take care of these wonderful creatures.
 
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DavetheProphet said:
How much then should people value animals?

How much do you think God values animals and why are they here?

Also, what are your views on using animal's to test things on? I know it may seem cruel to rub chemicals on animals to see if they are harmful, but what about all those great shampoos and conditioners you have that wouldn't be there if it weren't for testing that? What do you think?...

Only people were created in the image of God, which means that animals are not equal to humans. Nonetheless, they are still God's creation, and we are to respect them as such.
 
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DavetheProphet said:
How much then should people value animals?

How much do you think God values animals and why are they here?

Also, what are your views on using animal's to test things on? I know it may seem cruel to rub chemicals on animals to see if they are harmful, but what about all those great shampoos and conditioners you have that wouldn't be there if it weren't for testing that? What do you think?...

this is a big topic. I think that it is not far from reality to note that God created animals for man's benefit, but this is not the way that we should go about behaving, abusing them and taking them for granted nd inflicting pain on them, that was never the intent.

Surely you do not see Jesus Christ beating a dog or refusing him some scraps of his meal because He takes a hardline stance that 'they are merely here for our existence.'

It would clearly violate the spirit of the law, the spirit of Christianity, to not treat other living things with dignity and respect, and note that since they are here for us, by God, we should be respectful of them -- they are God's gifts.

If your father gives you a dog, it is a gift; if you wre to abuse and mistreat this dog, would that not be an offense to your father?

And if animals were made for us, they are like gifts from Our Father who art in heaven.
 
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TwinCrier said:
I think both of these statement hold true:
As a priority directly after people's needs.
As creatures that were made for people's benefit.
Well, to some extent yes, but I was trying to bring up the subject of how much of our own time and money should be spent on animals instead of on extra luxuries and benefits for people. Maybe it's too awkward a question to be asking...
 
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As to hunting for sport, I do not believe that hunting for pure sport is acceptable. However, there are conditions in which hunting is acceptable and valid. Hunting for meat is ok, after all humans have to eat sometime and something. It seems that meat became a valid source of food after Noah.

There are other times when hunting is also acceptable. That is when the animal is over populated. Where I live, Rabbits run wild. Typically when I drive home, I see 10-30 rabbits on a mile stretch of road. This is because there is a lack of natural predators for these rabbits. Other examples of this are ground squirrels. For that matter feral cats can easily be not just a nusance, but a problem. I worked for a company and we had 40+ feral cats outside the back door in the brush. Eventually, the city had to come and fix the problem with these cats.

Also predators are another example of good types of hunting. Cougars will typically go back to the same place where they were. One day in my little town a young cougar found it's way into the city. This animal had to be shot based upon the fact that it would continue to come back. Btw, full grown cougars will go after grown men, if they feel that the men are in their territory.


As to animals having a soul, it seems that animals don't have a soul in the same sense that humans do. Ecclesiastes 3:21 appears that animals do not have the soul in the same sense as humans. In fact, it seems to be referring to animals souls are destroyed.

I do not doubt that animals have been effected by the fall nor that there are animals in heaven. For that matter, I prove that white horses will be around. However, because the animal is not a free moral agent, it appears that they have no eternal life. However, both positions on animals souls are highly speculative. The only thing I would ask is some scriptural reference for an animals' soul.
 
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We were given the task of caring for the world around us. And we should respect animals, as creatures untainted by sin. They are not as important as each other, but they should be very important to us nonetheless. Even without the mandate that was given us, the natural world is a system, one which we are dependent on and which we have a vested interest in preserving.
 
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Is it ok to hunt deer if you like to eat the meat? Is it ok to experiment on rats in order to help test new products and advance research in different areas? Is it ok kill animals to add variety and style to people's wardrobes? These are the debatable areas of this topic...
 
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God owns all

"The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein" (Ps. 24:1).

"For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills" (Ps. 50:10).

He has given stewardship of the earth to man

"And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea; and over the fowl of the air, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth" (Gen. 1:26).

"And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hands they are delivered" (Gen. 9:2).

"Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of Thy hands; Thou hast put all things under his feet" (Ps. 8:6).

Man should be wise in his stewardship

"There is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise; but a foolish man spendeth it up" (Pro. 21:20).

Stewardship comes with accountability

"Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful" (1 Cor. 4:2).

"For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's" (Eph. 6:7).

"So then every one of us shall give an account of himself to God" (Rom. 14:12).

In Christ,
Tracey
 
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We are allowed to use the resources that are given to us, but as stewards we should do so responsibly. In contemplating the morality of an action, I find it helpful to ask myself "Why do I wish to do this?".
DavetheProphet said:
Is it ok to hunt deer if you like to eat the meat?
Yes. This is fulfilling a need- eating- and in the end is probably more ethical than raising a creature like a cow for sole purpose of later eating it. Even hunting for sport is acceptable, as long as you do not waste that which you kill, or fail to give due respect to the source.
Is it ok kill animals to add variety and style to people's wardrobes?
No. Killing creatures solely to serve our own vanity is not a ethically tenable activity, in my opinion.

As for animal experimentation, it would depend. To test make-up? Probably not ethical. To test new biological weaponry? Also not ethical. To find a cure for cancer? Probably excusable.
 
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DavetheProphet said:
Is it ok to hunt deer if you like to eat the meat? Is it ok to experiment on rats in order to help test new products and advance research in different areas? Is it ok kill animals to add variety and style to people's wardrobes? These are the debatable areas of this topic...

Yes, I definitely think that it is okay to hunt an animal, if it is legal, if you intend to use the meat. I also think that it is alright to use a rat for testing purposes. Not sure on the wardrobe, I tend to lean towards no. Unless of course the animal is also going to be used for food purposes also. I do not think it is a great idea to hunt just for sport. Just my .02.
 
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AngelusSax said:
They're definitely just under people, imo. If I had to choose between saving the life of, say, my dog or my mom, my mom wins. But I'll do everything I can to save the dog once mom's taken care of.
Should it be the same for all animals, or just the rare ones, or just the cute ones, or the ones that make a good pet? I'm being picky, I know, but I'm curious...
 
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