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i dont know weather or not this belongs here or in the mental health section but here goes.
My search for God is making me ill, literally, its driving me insane! i cant work, eat, talk, sleep properly. Everyone is worried about me and says i need a doctor. I feel trapped with no escape! my story;
when i was young i was told there was a God looking down on me, who would always look after me. my mum used to take me to church evry sunday. i have since found out that she never really believed. she only took us because she thought it would be good for us and she wanted us to go to a church of england school, she also said she enjoyed going for the atmosphere. I was baptised when i was about 9, but stopped going to church a while after. I carried on believing and praying though. I had no doubt that God was real and that Jesus died for my sins so that i could be forgiven if i just asked, and i did all the time. i didnt read the
bible all that much because i thought i kew all i needed to know, i had faith and it was genuine. I thought that hell was just for really wicked evil people, or made up to scare people into going to church. i didnt realise that many people i knew and loved, including myself were actually evil wicked people destined for hell. i never realised the loving god i prayed to and relied on was a false idol. while i was growing up i met people that told
me i was not really a christian, and that i was also going to hell because i was not born again. i asked my mother but she said they were just trying to brainwash me. however from then on i was scared, what if they were right? i have always been a very anxious and
scared person, even as a child i was scared my parents would walk out on me even though they
showed me nothing but love. i so was paranoid, i stared to read the bible, and my world was shattered. the God i trusted and loved wasnt real. the God in the bible scared me. so i put it out of my mind. i carried on as normal, however lately i have come under a lot
of stress, and i worried about hell even more. i stared reading the bible again and was terrified. i have always been scared of dying and thoughts of what hell would be like but
now its ruining my life! i think of nothing but how i and all whome i love are going to a place of eternal tourment and misery. its destroying me! thoughts or the lake of eternal fire and brimstone, burning forever, being constantly eaten by worms! Why?! why would God
make such a place! does any sin deserve this? for all eternity. How can i love God when shuch a place is real? and the end times when God will pour all his wrath and anger out on earth, scares me too! all those poor people that will suffer horribly! how can christians have a moments peace knowing hell exists, and that it is fair? even for the pettiest of sins? how can i trust Gods judgment? how can christians be happy when they look around seeing non bleievers, knowing where they will spend eternity. Eternity! no escape ever!its driving me mad! i dont want to believe it but i keep thinking what if? i have talked to my family and loved ones, and there is no way they will ever be belivers, ever. how can i become a beliver when knowing what will happen to the ones i love? I feel like theres no escape apart from faith and trust in God which i had, but it wasnt the real God. I dont think i can trust the real God. I feel like i am just a pawn, a worthless little thing, an eternal being doomed to eternal misery with no escape ever. I want to love God i really do, I am gratefull for everything he has done for me, but i just cant trust him, while i know eternal suffering exists. i know i have and finate mind while Gods is infinate so i should just trust that God's judgment is good but i cant! its too much to ask from me. i just want to enjoy my life but then my mind says, you shouldnt be worried about this life, you
should be worrying about eternity. i tell my self that all this isnt real and try to think logically, but i find myself thinking what if it is real? i shouldnt be loving God out of fear of hell, but how can i love when i dont undersatand. i just what out, but there isnt an out
option! even if i did fuly believe i dont see how i could ever be happy while the ones i love dont believe? and i know they never will, ive talked with them about it at great length. im being driven mad by thoughts of eternal hell! ive found out that others have also been
driven into insanity by it. what can i do!? i pray for undersanding, but i dont even know who im praying to anymore! i just want to die, but when i do it wil be to and even worse place with no escape. im not saying when i read the bible its all bad, there is a lot of hope and love there, but no amount of hope and love can ease my mind of the thoughts of eternal sufering. how can i ever forget when it might be true?
 

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I really feel for your anguish and can understand your thoughts and fears. I wish I had the articulation and knowledge to put your mind at rest. You have lived through life believing a certain way and that is very hard to change that view.
You really need to try and shift your focus from Hell and Damnation and try and concentrate on the positives and the real love God has.
NO-ONE can live the life a Christian is supposed to live!!! You need to realise that above all else. We are not capable of living like Christ, that was the whole point of Him dying in our place. We can be forgiven our sins by believing Jesus took them away and STILL be the weak sin creating humans we are. We literally can't do right for doing wrong!!
We just accept our sins are 'forgotton' and live our lives worshipping God. Don't try too hard. And please don't live in fear - what's the point. I wish I could help more. As long as someone believes Christ took their sins on the Cross - they have nothing to fear.
Good luck.
 
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'You really need to try and shift your focus from Hell and Damnation and try and concentrate on the positives and the real love God has.' but its not that easy i just cant forget it. i want to accept christ i really do. but i cant when i also have to accept the eteranl suffering is a good thing. i just cant.
 
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Who ever said that you have to accept that etenal suffering is a good thing??!!!:confused: I don't wish to seem rude, but that is utter rubbish!
God wants no-one to suffer, but we all make our own decisions and have to accept the consequences. No-one said life is easy.
Other peoples souls are ultimately not your responsibility. You can only pray and hope people you love come to Jesus. If they don't there is nothing you can do. I know its hard but all Christians travel in that boat!!
I sympathise with you. You are making yourself ill and putting yourself through unneccessary suffering.
I will pray for you if that's ok.
 
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God created everything, including Hell for those who don't accept Him by the time of Judgement. Of course Christians believe this and follow the word of God, but we don't ever say sinners deserve this death in Hell. That would be us sitting in Judgement and only God can judge. We are supposed to love even those that sin, as God does. He gives people a choice. He doesn't throw them into Hell for nothing. Everyone could avoid Hell if they wanted. God gives us plenty of chances to accept Him. I don't think even God would say Hell is a good thing, but heaven can't be filled with people who don't accept Jesus.
 
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bunnysfriend said:
i know God doesnt send people to hell they send themselves there because they dont reprent their sins, but i dont think any sin deserves eternal suffering, but God does, and God is good if have to trust that God is right and i just cant.

It's not so much the sin. It's not being sorry for the sin and asking forgiveness from God through Jesus. Gos forgives ALL sins if we let Him.
 
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but i still dont agree with Gods judgment, how are all sins equal? how is committing aldultery equal to murder or rape? i dont agree with the punishment. and i dont think we should be sorry for all our sins. like lust for example. if humans didnt lust, we would have died out ages ago. God made hell right? so why did he have to make it so awful? im dont think i deserve heaven but i definately dont deserve hell. but God thinks i do.
 
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You may not agree with God's judgement, but there's not much you can do about that. You can't change God or His way to suit yours. It boils down to accepting His way or not! I know that's harsh but it's the truth.
We can all moan and groan about the unjustness of it all but we don't have the faintest clue about how God thinks and why certain things are the way they are. Fighting your worries isn't going to change God's way. You are burning yourself out over this and have nothing to gain but misery.
All I can suggest is you just try and find time to have some calm, peacful moments and just 'talk' to God. See what happens. You may have already tried it but God is a rock and can't be moved or moulded by us.
 
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You may not agree with God's judgement, but there's not much you can do about that. You can't change God or His way to suit yours. It boils down to accepting His way or not! I know that's harsh but it's the truth.
We can all moan and groan about the unjustness of it all but we don't have the faintest clue about how God thinks and why certain things are the way they are. Fighting your worries isn't going to change God's way. You are burning yourself out over this and have nothing to gain but misery.
All I can suggest is you just try and find time to have some calm, peacful moments and just 'talk' to God. See what happens. You may have already tried it but God is a rock and can't be moved or moulded by us.
see exactly i cant agree with his judgment! that is what is stopping me! that is why it is so bad! dont you think i have tried talking to God? i have, but it gets me nowhere! i just cant accept that God is good when i dont agree with his judgment, its asking too much for me too think that eternal torture is a fair punishment for any sin! see waht i mean about it being his way or not! im trapped theres no escape, i wish i hadnt even existed! theres no escape its driving me crazy! its his way or infinate pain and suffering! its destroying me! my mind is battling with itself wether it is all real or not. going round and round in cirlcles.
 
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see exactly i cant agree with his judgment! that is what is stopping me! that is why it is so bad! dont you think i have tried talking to God? i have, but it gets me nowhere! i just cant accept that God is good when i dont agree with his judgment, its asking too much for me too think that eternal torture is a fair punishment for any sin! see waht i mean about it being his way or not! im trapped theres no escape, i wish i hadnt even existed! theres no escape its driving me crazy! its his way or infinate pain and suffering! its destroying me! my mind is battling with itself wether it is all real or not. going round and round in cirlcles.
Look, I have to go till tomorrow. Please don't give up. I will be back I promise.
Just try and calm down and not think too much.
Speak soon.
 
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what i can tell you is that, in beggining man rebelled against God and wanted to b better than him. than God created hell for the bad ones since man started realising the bad things he can do which go against God. God left us free to live our own lives, but follow Jesus as our way to go to heaven. if hell was not created, we would not define the differences between the good and bad around us because we would think that everything is good. so hell is there for this reason!!
God gave us guidelines, shows us hell so we become aware of reality thus warning us that we must live a proper life. God loves us and he is hurt when people go to hell.
Think about it...we say God loves everyone and he does not know how to hate! So God loves those who sin against him and feels sad for them. Don't you think that God loves the devil as well. it is hard to believe this right? but if you think about it and really believe that God loves everyone, why not the devil as well then?

Religion is a hard concept in life and so hard to understand totally...we get a lot of misconceptions from everywhere around us which may mislead us! what i suggest is that you find someone who is a professional and help you out with this problem.
Do not feel afraid to talk about this...you have to fight around till you get a clear picture.

about you loved ones- everyone know what is good from bad- they are called values and moral + conscience! if they are doing right things and not harming others in general they wont go to hell...God is merciful with those who do not believe in him. yes if they are ignoring him and trying to believe that no god exists obviously he will judge them about that...but personally i do not think it is valid to go to hell for that reason.

anyway it is a very hard issue, i wish i can help you out better but i am not a priest or minister! so try find someone who knows a lot about the subject and DO SEARCH HELP about this issue! if you want mail me personally...i will try to find person you can contact by email to talk about this issue and help you out.:help:
do not give up on God, it can be the devil trying to misguide you so making you confused!

pray to God, and search for help! but please do not give up... giving up is something the devil wants you to do...so stand on your feet, be brave and find out more about your confused ideas!

-let God be your light....
 
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'about you loved ones- everyone know what is good from bad- they are called values and moral + conscience! if they are doing right things and not harming others in general they wont go to hell...God is merciful with those who do not believe in him. yes if they are ignoring him and trying to believe that no god exists obviously he will judge them about that...but personally i do not think it is valid to go to hell for that reason.' but isnt that going against the bible? isnt that making a faulse idol in your head? i would forget about all this for a second if i believed this were true. i would seek proffessional help but from who? a doctor would tell me its all in my head, and that hell is not real. a preist would tell me it is and tery and talk me round into accepting christ, which i want to do but cant, due to the reasons i stated before.
 
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bunnysfriend said:
i dont know weather or not this belongs here or in the mental health section but here goes.
My search for God is making me ill, literally, its driving me insane! i cant work, eat, talk, sleep properly. Everyone is worried about me and says i need a doctor. I feel trapped with no escape! my story;
when i was young i was told there was a God looking down on me, who would always look after me. my mum used to take me to church evry sunday. i have since found out that she never really believed. she only took us because she thought it would be good for us and she wanted us to go to a church of england school, she also said she enjoyed going for the atmosphere. I was baptised when i was about 9, but stopped going to church a while after. I carried on believing and praying though. I had no doubt that God was real and that Jesus died for my sins so that i could be forgiven if i just asked, and i did all the time. i didnt read the
bible all that much because i thought i kew all i needed to know, i had faith and it was genuine. I thought that hell was just for really wicked evil people, or made up to scare people into going to church. i didnt realise that many people i knew and loved, including myself were actually evil wicked people destined for hell. i never realised the loving god i prayed to and relied on was a false idol. while i was growing up i met people that told
me i was not really a christian, and that i was also going to hell because i was not born again. i asked my mother but she said they were just trying to brainwash me. however from then on i was scared, what if they were right? i have always been a very anxious and
scared person, even as a child i was scared my parents would walk out on me even though they
showed me nothing but love. i so was paranoid, i stared to read the bible, and my world was shattered. the God i trusted and loved wasnt real. the God in the bible scared me. so i put it out of my mind. i carried on as normal, however lately i have come under a lot
of stress, and i worried about hell even more. i stared reading the bible again and was terrified. i have always been scared of dying and thoughts of what hell would be like but
now its ruining my life! i think of nothing but how i and all whome i love are going to a place of eternal tourment and misery. its destroying me! thoughts or the lake of eternal fire and brimstone, burning forever, being constantly eaten by worms! Why?! why would God
make such a place! does any sin deserve this? for all eternity. How can i love God when shuch a place is real? and the end times when God will pour all his wrath and anger out on earth, scares me too! all those poor people that will suffer horribly! how can christians have a moments peace knowing hell exists, and that it is fair? even for the pettiest of sins? how can i trust Gods judgment? how can christians be happy when they look around seeing non bleievers, knowing where they will spend eternity. Eternity! no escape ever!its driving me mad! i dont want to believe it but i keep thinking what if? i have talked to my family and loved ones, and there is no way they will ever be belivers, ever. how can i become a beliver when knowing what will happen to the ones i love? I feel like theres no escape apart from faith and trust in God which i had, but it wasnt the real God. I dont think i can trust the real God. I feel like i am just a pawn, a worthless little thing, an eternal being doomed to eternal misery with no escape ever. I want to love God i really do, I am gratefull for everything he has done for me, but i just cant trust him, while i know eternal suffering exists. i know i have and finate mind while Gods is infinate so i should just trust that God's judgment is good but i cant! its too much to ask from me. i just want to enjoy my life but then my mind says, you shouldnt be worried about this life, you
should be worrying about eternity. i tell my self that all this isnt real and try to think logically, but i find myself thinking what if it is real? i shouldnt be loving God out of fear of hell, but how can i love when i dont undersatand. i just what out, but there isnt an out
option! even if i did fuly believe i dont see how i could ever be happy while the ones i love dont believe? and i know they never will, ive talked with them about it at great length. im being driven mad by thoughts of eternal hell! ive found out that others have also been
driven into insanity by it. what can i do!? i pray for undersanding, but i dont even know who im praying to anymore! i just want to die, but when i do it wil be to and even worse place with no escape. im not saying when i read the bible its all bad, there is a lot of hope and love there, but no amount of hope and love can ease my mind of the thoughts of eternal sufering. how can i ever forget when it might be true?
Hi bunny, slow down, take a deep breath. Jesus wants you to be at peace. Jesus does not want anybody to go to hell but that means a person chooses good over evil. For a person to go to hell they embraced evil, claimed it, called it good and were not sorry of having offended God and his commands for our life. God has given us the 10 commandments, if we break one of those commandments we need to ask God forgiveness and repent. Some people have many struggles with Sin but if they keep trying to put the Lord's words into practice they will finish the race with Christ by their side. The Lord does not want anybody to impoverish themselves with the deceptions of sin and evil. Christ guidelines truly give life and love to our life and blesses those around us. Pray for yourself, pray for others, embrace the commandments of God as being good and life-giving for yourself and others. You and I and every human being are setting an example to the world. Are we showing them the truths of Christ or the deceptions of evil by down playing sin or making sin and attractive chose because we have put our name behind it. Jesus has put his name behind the Father's will and commands, he exhorts us to follow him and not lead souls away from God by calling evil- good and putting our will above the Father's will for his world, for his children. Follow Jesus and be at peace, Christ can work through you for the salvation of those who are dear to you. God bless. It might be tempting for people to say God is too harsh but Sin that is loved and embraced is sowing seeds of destruction in God's plan for man and woman. We can cooperate with his plan or be a destructive force that hinders his plan of life and love for us and our neighbor, God bless again. When you choose Jesus, you will love and glorify the Father's will for your life and the life of the world in obedience and, if needed, in repentence for we are not our own but Christ's.
 
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but i still dont agree with Gods judgment, how are all sins equal? how is committing aldultery equal to murder or rape? i dont agree with the punishment. and i dont think we should be sorry for all our sins. like lust for example. if humans didnt lust, we would have died out ages ago. God made hell right? so why did he have to make it so awful? im dont think i deserve heaven but i definately dont deserve hell. but God thinks i do.

It's not that all sins are equal, it's that all sins are forgiven.
You don't think we should be sorry for our sins? Our sins hurt or fellow man. God wants us to love our fellow man. If you steal, you are stealing from someone. If you lie, you are lying to someone. If you cheat on your husband or wife, you are cheating on someone. These things hurt people. As for hell, some people don't think there is an actual hell, but that God's love and presence is an all consuming fire. Those who are forgiven, repentant and love Him, will bask in His love. Those who reject him will be consumed by His presence.

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'You don't think we should be sorry for our sins? Our sins hurt or fellow man. God wants us to love our fellow man. If you steal, you are stealing from someone. If you lie, you are lying to someone. If you cheat on your husband or wife, you are cheating on someone.' yes of corse i do, any logical person would agree we should be sorry when we do wrong. but what about those who dont know that they are doing wrong? we all have a concious and try to do what is right by it. if someone is sorry for doing wrong and regrets it but does not believe in God they are still punished by going to hell for all eterniy! being eten by worms and burnt continueosly, with no escape!! have you ever pictured that? because i do all the time! if someone rapped me, stabbed me, killed all i love, i would still not want that for them for eternity. have you ever dwelt on eternity? i have and it is the worst thing imaginable!
 
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bunnysfriend said:
'You don't think we should be sorry for our sins? Our sins hurt or fellow man. God wants us to love our fellow man. If you steal, you are stealing from someone. If you lie, you are lying to someone. If you cheat on your husband or wife, you are cheating on someone.' yes of corse i do, any logical person would agree we should be sorry when we do wrong. but what about those who dont know that they are doing wrong? we all have a concious and try to do what is right by it. if someone is sorry for doing wrong and regrets it but does not believe in God they are still punished by going to hell for all eterniy! being eten by worms and burnt continueosly, with no escape!! have you ever pictured that? because i do all the time! if someone rapped me, stabbed me, killed all i love, i would still not want that for them for eternity. have you ever dwelt on eternity? i have and it is the worst thing imaginable!

Nothing that you are told is making sense to you is it? No matter what advice or explanation is posted, you are determined to stubbonly close your mind and live in the turmoil you have created. I think you need to keep away from this forum as it is just fuelling your anguish. You need to seek some kind of professional help.
 
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Nothing that you are told is making sense to you is it? No matter what advice or explanation is posted, you are determined to stubbonly close your mind and live in the turmoil you have created. I think you need to keep away from this forum as it is just fuelling your anguish. You need to seek some kind of professional help.
thankyou for your kind words of comfort, very understanding. i have been to a doctor, i have vallium, but if i take it is it giving into the devil, letting him win? it is getting through to me, be born again or go to hell. but i just cant be born again.
 
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thankyou for your kind words of comfort, very understanding. i have been to a doctor, i have vallium, but if i take it is it giving into the devil, letting him win? it is getting through to me, be born again or go to hell. but i just cant be born again.

Taking medication for a mental illness is not "giving in to the devil". Mental illness is a medical illness. If you need meds, take them. Some people have a chemical imbalance that causes their mental illness. Without the medication, you can not think clearly enough to be able to work through your problems. Is your doctor fully aware of all your issues? Vallium could possibly make your despair worse, as vallium is used to calm people down, it's not an antidepressant.

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