Transsexualism

[chrystle]

Okay umm, I posted this a couple of months ago, but I didn't really get the answers I was looking for.

Anyway, abit of an intro, I'm 15 this year, male, however my whole damn life I've felt very strongly that I should be a girl instead. And, its not just that, I find extreme discomfort with my own body. I hate everything about my male body, it all just disgusts me so.

I sort of plan to have my sex changed in the future, but I'm quite afraid that God might forbid it, and thats my worst nightmare, because I could never stand being a guy for the rest of my life. I'd rather be dead.

My father's a Christian, and my mum's a Catholic. They both assured me that its fine, and theres nothing to be worried about, but I'm really not sure.

I mean, if I were asked to remain a guy, I'd find it bloody unfair, because its not as if I'm really doing anything wrong....its not as if it says so in the Bible. I'm not gay, in the sense that I like guys the way a girl would, but at the same time I'm not a homosexual guy. If I actually could complete my surgery, I would live just like any other normal female would. I plan to serve the Lord better, because as a guy I wouldn't have the heart to even continue living.

Sorry if it all seems rather jumbled up, but right now I'm just sorta writing stuff as they come into my head. Basically I'm wondering if its wrong to change sex, when I am psycologically the other sex, and I plan to live normally as the opposite sex. Why should this be wrong? I'm just really really afraid of having to live the rest of my life as a guy. Its already been 15 years of pure misery being stuck in this awful hidous body, I doubt I could spend the rest of my life in it....

- Chrystle

 

[Crusader05]

This is a very difficult issue, with no easy answers.

I think the best thing for you to do is find a counselor or psychologist at your school and talk about your problem. At 15 you are far too young to be hating yourself or your body. Its important that you remember that God loves you no matter what, he created you, he made you the way you are. As a 15 year old you should remember that you have your entire life ahead of you and that you dont need to make any life altering discions right now.

So, I would recommend finding a professional and talking about this with them. I would also pray and ask for God's help in this. Trust that he has the answer to your problem and he is faithful to help you. PM me if you want to talk.

 

[chrystle]

This is a very difficult issue, with no easy answers.

I think the best thing for you to do is find a counselor or psychologist at your school and talk about your problem. At 15 you are far too young to be hating yourself or your body. Its important that you remember that God loves you no matter what, he created you, he made you the way you are. As a 15 year old you should remember that you have your entire life ahead of you and that you dont need to make any life altering discions right now.

So, I would recommend finding a professional and talking about this with them. I would also pray and ask for God's help in this. Trust that he has the answer to your problem and he is faithful to help you. PM me if you want to talk.

Well, honestly, the only "cure" so far to this is to alter your body. There is no way in which I could change my mind into thinking I would actually want to be a guy. Even then, I wouldn't want to do that, because I honestly feel that I'm female in my mind, and by changing my thinking its completely destroying who I am. If you gave me the choice to become a perfectly normal male, and I'd never have to worry about wanting to be female again, I'd run as far away as possible from you thinking your some kind of madman whos trying to destroy me.

Anyway, I doubt you really have any idea how awful it feels to be in the body of the opposite sex. Its like...I hate all this hair growing all over my body, its so awful and I keep shaving it everyday. Really hate my voice too....having this low, dull, monotonic voice. Also, not to mention my physical sexuality. I had consided suicide by self mutilation, since I'd die by the bleeding. Anyway...I'm not anywhere near the suicide stage...so don't worry about that. But the fact remains is that I hate it... i hate the natural occurances as they only cause me pain and irritation. I don't consider masturbation.

Well, my point is that, I feel strongly that I am a female, despite having a male body. I want to live my life, and worship the Lord like any other female. I hate my body alot...15 years of being trapped in a body of the wrong sex, you would too.

Is it possible to...have a sex change, and still go to heaven....? I don't want to end up going to hell because of this...its not as if I'm a bad person or something. I will still worship and praise the Lord, only even more than ever than I could have if I were to be male. There'll be no difference in my life, except that I'm living it as a female instead. Is there anything wrong with that? After all he made like this, a trans girl, born with a male body and a female mind...Its only natural for me to feel this way. But would he actually want me to suffer in this body for the rest of my life for no reason...? *sigh*

- Chrystle

 

[OceanAngel]

See a counciller as soon as possible, get yourself sorted.

Don't waste the rest of life wishing you could do something.

 

[wblastyn]

Okay umm, I posted this a couple of months ago, but I didn't really get the answers I was looking for.

Anyway, abit of an intro, I'm 15 this year, male, however my whole damn life I've felt very strongly that I should be a girl instead. And, its not just that, I find extreme discomfort with my own body. I hate everything about my male body, it all just disgusts me so.

I sort of plan to have my sex changed in the future, but I'm quite afraid that God might forbid it, and thats my worst nightmare, because I could never stand being a guy for the rest of my life. I'd rather be dead.

My father's a Christian, and my mum's a Catholic. They both assured me that its fine, and theres nothing to be worried about, but I'm really not sure.

I mean, if I were asked to remain a guy, I'd find it bloody unfair, because its not as if I'm really doing anything wrong....its not as if it says so in the Bible. I'm not gay, in the sense that I like guys the way a girl would, but at the same time I'm not a homosexual guy. If I actually could complete my surgery, I would live just like any other normal female would. I plan to serve the Lord better, because as a guy I wouldn't have the heart to even continue living.

Sorry if it all seems rather jumbled up, but right now I'm just sorta writing stuff as they come into my head. Basically I'm wondering if its wrong to change sex, when I am psycologically the other sex, and I plan to live normally as the opposite sex. Why should this be wrong? I'm just really really afraid of having to live the rest of my life as a guy. Its already been 15 years of pure misery being stuck in this awful hidous body, I doubt I could spend the rest of my life in it....

- Chrystle

Well I would advise you to seek help from a therapist. Perhaps there is another reason for disliking your body and maleness. On the other hand, I think there is evidence to suggest that some people are born with a female brain in a male body (or vice-versa). If this is the case then I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to change your biological sex to correspond with your brain.

The Bible doesn't mention it obviously, but you will get Christians telling you that you are evil or whatever - they like to judge like that. However, if remaining male is making you unhealthy and you have exhausted other options then why not. If you do decide to seek therapy then I'm sure your therapist can point you in the right direction.

Goodluck, and don't let the fundies keep you down!

 

[ascribe2thelord]

Well, honestly, the only "cure" so far to this is to alter your body. There is no way in which I could change my mind into thinking I would actually want to be a guy. Even then, I wouldn't want to do that, because I honestly feel that I'm female in my mind, and by changing my thinking its completely destroying who I am. If you gave me the choice to become a perfectly normal male, and I'd never have to worry about wanting to be female again, I'd run as far away as possible from you thinking your some kind of madman whos trying to destroy me.

Anyway, I doubt you really have any idea how awful it feels to be in the body of the opposite sex. Its like...I hate all this hair growing all over my body, its so awful and I keep shaving it everyday. Really hate my voice too....having this low, dull, monotonic voice. Also, not to mention my physical sexuality. I had consided suicide by self mutilation, since I'd die by the bleeding. Anyway...I'm not anywhere near the suicide stage...so don't worry about that. But the fact remains is that I hate it... i hate the natural occurances as they only cause me pain and irritation. I don't consider masturbation.

Well, my point is that, I feel strongly that I am a female, despite having a male body. I want to live my life, and worship the Lord like any other female. I hate my body alot...15 years of being trapped in a body of the wrong sex, you would too.

Is it possible to...have a sex change, and still go to heaven....? I don't want to end up going to hell because of this...its not as if I'm a bad person or something. I will still worship and praise the Lord, only even more than ever than I could have if I were to be male. There'll be no difference in my life, except that I'm living it as a female instead. Is there anything wrong with that? After all he made like this, a trans girl, born with a male body and a female mind...Its only natural for me to feel this way. But would he actually want me to suffer in this body for the rest of my life for no reason...? *sigh*

- Chrystle

You weren't born with a female mind. Chances are that somehow you grew up hating your male genitalia, for some weird reason. Maybe something traumatic happened in your childhood, or for some reason you were the only guy born among a bunch of sisters (?) or other reasons? PLUS ...

Puberty can do really weird things to you. All of a sudden stuff is happening to you that you have no control over ... and you look at the other sex, and they seem to have fewer struggles, and their voices are more graceful, their figures more petite (on average) and you think, why not?

But don't be disgusted with the way God made you. Transsexualism is what sociologists call a "societal construct" - not an innate feeling. That's only what you learned from listening to too much television!

With what girls say about their periods, though, wouldn't you rather just be totally sexless, if anything?

 

[Merlin]

You're not likely to find the answers you want.

>I sort of plan to have my sex changed in the future, but I'm quite afraid that God might forbid it, and thats my worst nightmare, because...

The change is only cosmetic.
It'll allow you to pretend and dress up, even fool people.
But reality is, it's only cosmetic and superficial.
You'll still be you.

Take any two cells from your body, even from the surgery area, clone them, and they'll grow a body like you were born with.

No, the Bible doesn't address cosmetic surgery.
It does address dressing as the other sex.
It does address 'mating' with the same sex.
Cosmetically altered doesn't change your sex.

 

[Escipión]

wow, you have some really difficult questions. but let's be realistic and not beat around the bush.

Saying that you're actually a girl locked in a male body does not make any sense at all. No matter how much money you spend on expensive surgery in order to change your appearance, it'll just be "make up". Even if you end up *looking* like a woman, you only have to take some hairs from your head and have them analysed at a laboratory. XY chromosomes don't go away that easly.

I tell you this because when I read your post I get the impression that you think all that disgust you feel towards your body will disappear after growing two artificial breasts and raising the percentage of female hormones in your blood.

Many men suffering your problems also thought at first that everything would be over after altering their physical aspect. But the truth is that no matter how many times they have surgery and modify this thing here and that one there, they are never fulfilled, they never feel 100% satisfied.

Yeah, people will respect you as you are. Maybe men will refer to you with "she". But do you think they'd ever accept to date with you?


You are a man. So from that statement we can deduce that there is something wrong with the way you feel about your body. If I were you I would ask for help. There is a possibility that you may be interpreting your feelings in a wrong way. Maybe you have some kind of trauma that makes you feel disgusted about your maleness, but that doesn't mean necessarely that you're a woman inside.

 

[Brother_Justin]

Feeling as though you are a female in a male body isnt as far fetched as some people might think. This is a natural feeling among some people. Calling this "crazy" is infact crazy in and of itself. Human emotion and feelings are not crazy they are real and should be addressed openly as such. I commend you for your courage to address this board about it.

Seek a therapist. Open all allys and make sure you take every single road possible. Remember that this change is something that is going to cost alot of money and alot of time. You want to make sure you test the waters in every ally as possible.

Puberty is tough, yeah I can agree with that. Give it time and try to find some comfort in yourself. Try not to settle your mind already on the idea that you are a girl inside. Give it a chance.

I can't give you a yes or no answer on what God would do to you. I can tell you that if you did change your body Jesus is still going to love you. That love doesn't change. Im not here to judge you. Anyone who does try to judge you is casting a stone they are not given the right to throw. Prayer and time with God. Do not be jumping to conclustions and make sure your listening to all options and to God. Its a tough issue and it is an issue that should mostly remain with you and God on the soul aspect of it.

We were all going to hell at one time. Every last one of us still deserves to go to hell. The Prince of Peace made sure that we didnt have too. Always remember that. God bless. PM me if you need help.



Love brother ~Justin~ <><

 

[Reggs]

A psycologyst can give you a long, intensive test that will decide beyond a dout if you a masulinized mind or a feminized mind. That is the basis of transexualism.

Altho there is no proof, it is said that when people are born they have a mentle map of what their body SHOLD be, and when this "map" does not match the body it will cause unrest for a person. This is the explanation for phantom pains that people get when they have a limb removed. My great great grandfather got his leg shot off and could swear he had pains in his leg that was no longer there. Some think there is a link to what you are experiencing.

 

[chrislife]

I would say this to anyone who hates themself, not just about gender issues: the first step to feeling better is not to change yourself, but to change the hatred, to find healing for whatever caused it.

I would point out more specifically that it isn't abnormal to be disgusted with your body in its sexual appearance. I'm disgusted to a certain extent by mine, because I'm heterosexual. I can't imagine looking at a female body, be it someone else's or my own, and not finding it kind of gross. But that's fine, because I'm not really supposed to be pleased with my own body but rather with my spouse's. My husband likes my femaleness, just as I like his maleness. That's way more important than liking our own bodies.

One last thing that few people will tell you, because frankly the psychiatric industry has kept it a secret for reasons of political correctness: more than half of all people who have sex change operations commit suicide. The surgery doesn't help their unhappiness, it just puts it in a new package.

You deserve to know how special you are, just as you are... not to feel you have to be someone or something else to deserve happiness or love.


---Christina

 

[confuzled]

My friend, for almost my entire life I felt the same way as you. (Although I was attracted to the opposite sex) I swore up and down that I was guy. I hung out with guys, I acted like a guy and dressed in guys clothes from the moment I was born. When puberty hit, I hated it. I felt like God was betraying me, I had prayed when I was little for him to make me a boy. Yet, the Lord had better things in mind. Over the last year I came back to Lord after a bad depression and some sucide attempts. God kind of kicked my into being a woman. For some reason as I got closer to him, I felt more and more comfortable with my body. I even started to like it, which was shocking to me...
I guess my point is that puberty cause all kinds of whacky things, and amplifies things that we hated as a kid. I wouldn't make any drastic decsions untill you have fully matured (around 21 or 22 in guys I think, although everyone is differnt). Just take it slow, don't focus on yourseld at all. Beceom totally ingrossed in the Lord and spend time fasting and praying as often and as long as you can.

 

[Chajara]

I honestly don't think God will send you to hell for having a sex change. However, keep in mind that this all might pass. Wait until you're an adult before making any huge decisions, and that way you'll have no regrets.

Just remember, God doesn't make trash. He made you the way you are. If something seems "wrong", I highly doubt it's because God messed up. This is your cross to bear. We all have one. I struggle with laziness, lust, and gluttony. You struggle with a female mind trapped in a male body. We are given these obstacles because the years we spend overcoming them helps us to grow as people. Years from now when you've found inner peace you'll look back and be able to see it I bet.

Right now, you need to work on getting through puberty. God won't give you a cross that's too heavy, and this is coming from the biggest wimp in the world. You're in my prayers.

 

[bentwompracing]

Crystle,
chrislife is right, we all need to find the healing for the hatred in our lives. I don't think a sex change will help you at all. I think it will only be a pach over a larger problem. What do the rest of you think?
Also, God made all of us for a reason I think there must be a way to find out if this is some sort of speical gift? -Bent

 

[NoMoreRunningAway]

Before you do anything at all, please go to a conselor.

There is only one person I know who got a sex change and is happy with it. They also had a lot of money. Many male to female transgender people do not have enough money for all the operations AND hormones, and there is a high percentage of suicide in this group.

I also have a female friend who wanted to be male. She did not go to a conselor, and ended up taping her breasts down by herself. Not to be crude, but well, now her chest is very saggy and messed up, and there's little she can do about that. And she was just like you, swearing that she really, really felt that she should be a man, and that her female body was horrible. Then one day she started dating a very nice male, and that male (without sex) made her feel very feminine and pretty, and just from that she realizes she no longer wants to be male. She realized that her hard family life and lack of mother did something to her psychologically.

There ARE, however, instances where males end up with too high an estrogen count, and naturally feel very feminine. If this is the case, you can get medications to even this out and help you feel better about yourself without operations.

And remember, even if you do get a 'sex change', you will never have your period, never be able to give birth, and really, just not be female. So be careful with this. Pray and try to think what God might want you to learn from these feelings.

 

[Psalmangel]

Before you do anything at all, please go to a conselor.

There is only one person I know who got a sex change and is happy with it. They also had a lot of money. Many male to female transgender people do not have enough money for all the operations AND hormones, and there is a high percentage of suicide in this group.

I also have a female friend who wanted to be male. She did not go to a conselor, and ended up taping her breasts down by herself. Not to be crude, but well, now her chest is very saggy and messed up, and there's little she can do about that. And she was just like you, swearing that she really, really felt that she should be a man, and that her female body was horrible. Then one day she started dating a very nice male, and that male (without sex) made her feel very feminine and pretty, and just from that she realizes she no longer wants to be male. She realized that her hard family life and lack of mother did something to her psychologically.

There ARE, however, instances where males end up with too high an estrogen count, and naturally feel very feminine. If this is the case, you can get medications to even this out and help you feel better about yourself without operations.

And remember, even if you do get a 'sex change', you will never have your period, never be able to give birth, and really, just not be female. So be careful with this. Pray and try to think what God might want you to learn from these feelings.

Like Jan Crouch always says, prayer, prayer, prayer.... we need lot's of prayer for those who need emotional healing as well as physical healing.

 

[SimplyMe]

I really don't believe that this is the place to be looking for answers. The majority of responses I've read don't seem to understand what you are feeling. They have a preconceived idea of what God believes, which they honestly cannot support from the Bible.

You need to find a therapist, one that you feel comfortable with. There have been some statements here that are unsubstantiated, I personally do not believe they can find a reliable, peer-reviewed, study that backs what they are saying.

I found it strange that one person said that you should change your mind about being transgendered because many people who seek treatment for having gender problems commit suicide. To me, that sounds about the same as telling a person with cancer to not believe in cancer and not seek treatment because many of those who do seek medical help for cancer die. Yes, more people with gender problems commit suicide -- but typically it's because of how society treats them or not seeking treament, they don't because they are being helped. Further, any statements about a significant percentage of transsexuals, after surgery, is not true. There are studies that have been done that show that after surgery the suicide rates of transsexuals are no higher than the suicide rate of their country (you can find this info on the web).

The therapy is important, this is a serious problem -- as has been pointed out, life threatening -- and so needs serious help. Just know, that the help is available, whatever they may find.

 

[GodsNhilist]

I'm sorry you are struggling. I would suggest seeing a therapist to ensure sex re-assignment surgery is what is best for you. If it is, in a few years you can begin the process which usually requires living/dressing as a woman, followed by hormone therapy.
Don't listen to judgemental people. If it is what is right in your heart, do what you have to do. You don't have to lose faith in Christianity. There are churches which will accept and welcome you as you are.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

I agree that you should seek some type of counsel. I believe that the famous Johns Hopkins hospital has discontinued its sexual reassignmnet program. Here is an article from Dr Mchuch http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0411/articles/mchugh.htm

I would read this and I would try to find out as much as I can, prior to making any drastic decision. I can empathize with you I know my Brother was a pre-op and he succumbed to AIDS orior to his surgury.

 

[ascribe2thelord]

Hate to put it this way, but you're too young to know what's best for yourself.

And all of us are too human to know what's best for ourselves. Did you ever see Bruce Almighty? Remember how "God" said we don't know what's best for ourselves? That's so true. You should consider all that before you go into any operation room in a frantic attempt to cure yourself.

And remember, this life doesn't last forever, and in heaven, no one will have sexual organs. It won't be necessary there, because God is the creator and there will be no sin, and no reason for man to have to complete God's work of creation.

We're imperfect and our genes are imperfect but that doesn't mean God isn't omnipotent, and it doesn't take away the fact that he sits as judge over all his creation. You know obviously that there is something wrong with getting a sex change. No, an operation you get because you're confused about your identity won't change your eternal destiny. Of course you have never accepted Christ / been born again / repented of sin and believed in his Lordship, you cannot enter kingdom of God, so that puts you *somewhere* else.