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A few of the reasons Transsexuals commit suicide is that plain and simply,the unhappines of the wrong body and even you correct it, you lose the ability to have children and have to put with 'people' who feel the need to rub that in your face and tell you you're still male and no amount of surgery will ever correct that.

The lack of progress they make with councillors and therapists is frustrating.

The fact that something you need to do is hanging in the balance of someone who you have never met and will judge you.

theres a few.
 
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chrystle said:
Okay umm, I posted this a couple of months ago, but I didn't really get the answers I was looking for.

Anyway, abit of an intro, I'm 15 this year, male, however my whole damn life I've felt very strongly that I should be a girl instead. And, its not just that, I find extreme discomfort with my own body. I hate everything about my male body, it all just disgusts me so.

I sort of plan to have my sex changed in the future, but I'm quite afraid that God might forbid it, and thats my worst nightmare, because I could never stand being a guy for the rest of my life. I'd rather be dead.

My father's a Christian, and my mum's a Catholic. They both assured me that its fine, and theres nothing to be worried about, but I'm really not sure.

I mean, if I were asked to remain a guy, I'd find it bloody unfair, because its not as if I'm really doing anything wrong....its not as if it says so in the Bible. I'm not gay, in the sense that I like guys the way a girl would, but at the same time I'm not a homosexual guy. If I actually could complete my surgery, I would live just like any other normal female would. I plan to serve the Lord better, because as a guy I wouldn't have the heart to even continue living.

Sorry if it all seems rather jumbled up, but right now I'm just sorta writing stuff as they come into my head. Basically I'm wondering if its wrong to change sex, when I am psycologically the other sex, and I plan to live normally as the opposite sex. Why should this be wrong? I'm just really really afraid of having to live the rest of my life as a guy. Its already been 15 years of pure misery being stuck in this awful hidous body, I doubt I could spend the rest of my life in it....

- Chrystle

Your post could have been written by me when I was 15.....or even much later on duing my life. I know what you are going through because I have been there too.

I thought about my gender dysphoria (bad feelings) every day of my life. LIke you, I did not have a homosexual sexuality (This is more commone than not.), but the thought of being a male for life caused me much depression. I was the middle child with two brothers. We lived out in the country where most of the kids my age were boys. I could not understand why I had those feeling of "being born into the wrong body". I was a senitive child, but I was not what is often called a "sissy".

I married a wonderful woman in the Catholic Church. She knew about my "problem" prior to our marriage, but loved me so much that it made no difference to her. At first I "crossed-dressed" but eventually I started female hormones. I had a woman doctor prescribe them for me. I went to transgender support groups. There I met others like me who had the same disires. One of them was even a priest! I was told over and over that I could never be happy as a man and had to go through a gender change. The hormones changed my body and I started to look much more like a woman than a man. I felt so fee being on the female hormones. What I had dreamed about all my life was starting to come true. I was starting to become a woman at last!

I "came-out" to my family. To my delite they supported me in my struggle. Most transsexuals do not have that kind of support. I started to live full-time as a woman. It was difficult for my wife and I because we were often rejected by people as being lesbians. When we went to the grocery store on Sundays, many Christians would look down upon us with hate. They still had there church clothes on.

But there were those Christains who were kind to us. I will never forget them. The words, "By their fruit you shall know them." is so true. :amen:

But even with all the changes I found I was still not happy. I did not find the happiness that I had hoped and prayed for all those years. It's true, even thought I looked like a woman, I was not really one. People might be kind to me as a "transsexual", but they still called me "he" and not "she". They just could not seem to understand. I was told that I had to go through "social suicide". That means I would have to move far away and break all ties with my past. My wife loved me, but she also loved her family. It was a very difficult time for both of us.

Then it happened. I developed cancer. A university hospital thought it was related to the hormones. I think it was the hormones and the stress I was under that caused it. Any way, when I told the "support group" most of them said I should continue on the hormones until I died! They were in denial that the hormones could do that. They soon slipped away from all contact with me.

I went off of all hormones. I had to endure something that was like Chemo for a year. I lost a part of my body due to amputation. But I had the prayers of many true Christians, both Catholics and non-Catholics. Even many non-Christians were praying for me. Those prayers lifted me up more than I can put into words. The prayers were answered, I am healed. But before I was healed of my cancer, I was healed of the gender dysphoria that haunted me for years.

I hope people understand what I am about to say. I truly believe that transsexulism is a mental disorder. Nothing more, nothing less. It is no more of a sin than having cancer.

I love and support gay people. I do not believe that being gay is the same as transsexulism. At any rate, I know how it feels to be "gay" or "lesbian". Christain hate of gays or transsexual people is NOT the answer.


This was not easy for me to write. The story is much longer than what I wrote, but I hope you get the idea of what I am trying to say dear one.

If you seek professional help, seek it from someone who can bring you light and not darkness.

Bless you dear child.

Ardent Listener

P.S. I am now happy in my male body. The female changes mostly reversed. I am now into lifting weights and I am very strong and healthy.:thumbsup:
 
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Well, I'm glad that worked for you but becuase that worked for you dont assume that it will work it for everyone, because you caught cancer that may have been caused by the hormones dont think other people may catch it from taking hormones, you may have been suffering from something other than Gender Dysphoria and been misdiaosed and not every TS is told to leave his/her family and friends.
 
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OceanAngel said:
Well, I'm glad that worked for you but becuase that worked for you dont assume that it will work it for everyone, because you caught cancer that may have been caused by the hormones dont think other people may catch it from taking hormones, you may have been suffering from something other than Gender Dysphoria and been misdiaosed and not every TS is told to leave his/her family and friends.

Thanks for your kind well wishes and concern. I'm doing much better now.

One dosen't "catch" cancer like a cold. Like a lot of smokers, most of those transsexuals on hormone "therapy", don't want to hear about the cancer danger. Female hormone replacement therapy is now consider dangerous even for genetic women! No scientific study has ever found that prescribing large amounts of female hormones to a male as being safe.

How come every so-called "transsexual" who finds a way out of their gender dysphoria without going through a gender "transition" is labed a mis-diagnosis?
Maybe rather than a mis-diagnosis, "transsexulism" has been mis-treated for the past 40 years. The truth is if they admit that even one transsexual has beaten the dysphoria without them, then others can do it too.

But let's say I was mis-diagnosed, what makes you think that this young man might not be too? The "treatment" of "transsexuals" has become a big business with big money being made by so-called therapist who lure those with gender dysphoria into an even deeper delusion that they need to "transition" into the other sex. If this young man said he felt he was Hitler would you encourage him in his delusion? I think not. Why is it so off the wall to encourage him to face reality and get help that will bring him back into it?

I know the arguments that the transgender world makes. I fought for years trying to defend the transsexual movement. I have seem many transsexual friends die of suicide long after they have gone through the so-called transition.

I'm not going to allow a debate about this. You responed to my post, I'm responding to yours. If it is not accepted by the Mods , than so be it. I can go to bed tonight knowing I did what I wish others had done for me when I was 15 years old. I may be one of the few voices with this point of view on the subject that this troubled young man will ever hear.

May God help and bless him. Believe me, he truly needs it.
 
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ArdentListener said:
I hope people understand what I am about to say. I truly believe that transsexulism is a mental disorder. Nothing more, nothing less. It is no more of a sin than having cancer.

Hello Ardentlistener,

You are so right! It is a mental disorder. A difficult problem in that the idea of it being a mental disorder is rejected, mostly for political correctness reasons :(

It's also a disorder which most therapists could not help with even if they wanted too.

I praise God for your sharing like this! You are an inspiration and a blessing.
 
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You have your point of view based on your experiences, I have mine based on mine, I do find comparing Transsexualism to hitler slightly OTT to say the least.

You make other points that I could argue with but to stop this forum desending into a flame war and to be honest, its something I could do without,lets agree to disagree and leave it at that.

But I will ask one last question: Which young man are you talking about?
 
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OceanAngel said:
You have your point of view based on your experiences, I have mine based on mine, I do find comparing Transsexualism to hitler slightly OTT to say the least.

You make other points that I could argue with but to stop this forum desending into a flame war and to be honest, its something I could do without,lets agree to disagree and leave it at that.

But I will ask one last question: Which young man are you talking about?

"Chrystle", male,:) age 15.
 
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Well, It looks Chrystle has choosen to leave CF and wether she actually has GID or is just experincing some problems during puberty, we'll never know and to be honest, its none of our buisness, I just hope shes gone to a psychotherapist.
 
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Merlin said:

You're not likely to find the answers you want.


>I sort of plan to have my sex changed in the future, but I'm quite afraid that God might forbid it, and thats my worst nightmare, because...

The change is only cosmetic.
It'll allow you to pretend and dress up, even fool people.
But reality is, it's only cosmetic and superficial.
You'll still be you.


Take any two cells from your body, even from the surgery area, clone them, and they'll grow a body like you were born with.

No, the Bible doesn't address cosmetic surgery.
It does address dressing as the other sex.
It does address 'mating' with the same sex.
Cosmetically altered doesn't change your sex.

:thumbsup: :amen:
 
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chrystle said:
Okay umm, I posted this a couple of months ago, but I didn't really get the answers I was looking for.

Anyway, abit of an intro, I'm 15 this year, male, however my whole damn life I've felt very strongly that I should be a girl instead. And, its not just that, I find extreme discomfort with my own body. I hate everything about my male body, it all just disgusts me so.

I sort of plan to have my sex changed in the future, but I'm quite afraid that God might forbid it, and thats my worst nightmare, because I could never stand being a guy for the rest of my life. I'd rather be dead.

My father's a Christian, and my mum's a Catholic. They both assured me that its fine, and theres nothing to be worried about, but I'm really not sure.

I mean, if I were asked to remain a guy, I'd find it bloody unfair, because its not as if I'm really doing anything wrong....its not as if it says so in the Bible. I'm not gay, in the sense that I like guys the way a girl would, but at the same time I'm not a homosexual guy. If I actually could complete my surgery, I would live just like any other normal female would. I plan to serve the Lord better, because as a guy I wouldn't have the heart to even continue living.


- Chrystle



The brief version of my answer would be, than by all means go with the surgery.
 
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I am wondering what you think will be different about your life if you have a girl's body instead of a boy's? You'll still be you, with the same thoughts and feelings, you'll just look different. It won't change you, just your appearance. Maybe you should focus on expressing yourself and being who you are without worrying whether it's okay to be that way and male. How would you be different as a girl? Start acting that way now and find a way to be comfortable with who you are in the body God gave you. We all get unhappy with our bodies but that's what God gave us and we need to make the best of it.
 
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OceanAngel said:
Well, It looks Chrystle has choosen to leave CF and wether she actually has GID or is just experincing some problems during puberty, we'll never know and to be honest, its none of our buisness, I just hope shes gone to a psychotherapist.

I hope and pray that he is on the road to recovery too.:crossrc:
 
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chrystle said:
Okay umm, I posted this a couple of months ago, but I didn't really get the answers I was looking for.

Anyway, abit of an intro, I'm 15 this year, male, however my whole damn life I've felt very strongly that I should be a girl instead. And, its not just that, I find extreme discomfort with my own body. I hate everything about my male body, it all just disgusts me so.

I sort of plan to have my sex changed in the future, but I'm quite afraid that God might forbid it, and thats my worst nightmare, because I could never stand being a guy for the rest of my life. I'd rather be dead.

My father's a Christian, and my mum's a Catholic. They both assured me that its fine, and theres nothing to be worried about, but I'm really not sure.

I mean, if I were asked to remain a guy, I'd find it bloody unfair, because its not as if I'm really doing anything wrong....its not as if it says so in the Bible. I'm not gay, in the sense that I like guys the way a girl would, but at the same time I'm not a homosexual guy. If I actually could complete my surgery, I would live just like any other normal female would. I plan to serve the Lord better, because as a guy I wouldn't have the heart to even continue living.

Sorry if it all seems rather jumbled up, but right now I'm just sorta writing stuff as they come into my head. Basically I'm wondering if its wrong to change sex, when I am psycologically the other sex, and I plan to live normally as the opposite sex. Why should this be wrong? I'm just really really afraid of having to live the rest of my life as a guy. Its already been 15 years of pure misery being stuck in this awful hidous body, I doubt I could spend the rest of my life in it....

- Chrystle
chrystle

My name is Kathryn Kirkland and I am a post op TS. I am also a Christian. I can't tell you whether you should change but you should seek professional counseling if possible. Check out the website tsroadmap.com. They have a list of qualified counselors as well as other information. I know what you are going through and it is very confusing. Seek help. And always seek Him. Kathyryn
 
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