Transgender son

[Sum1sGruj]

Ironic, considering every post you make on this board, especially in the Origins theology forum, you attack anyone who disagrees with you and label them "not really a Christian", because you think you're smarter than the actual scientists on this board.

Perhaps you should remove that beam from your eye before criticizing others?

The irony of it is that I tend to be right half the time. I don't put something above the Bible because it puts food on the table, or because I do not want to acknowledge the supremacy and infinite power of God.
No, I attack those who tell us creationists that we are wrong. It's not insecurity, it's an appropriate measure to make it be known that people do not have to conform to such a ridiculous theology that not only does not fit into Creation, but much of the Bible itself. It takes a lot of thought and recognizance to fully understand and interpret that, but the way I see it, if people can spend 10 hours a day looking at fossils or whatever their trade is, then they can spend just as much time seeing the error of TE.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Jase,

Ironic, considering every post you make on this board, especially in the Origins theology forum, you attack anyone who disagrees with you and label them "not really a Christian", because you think you're smarter than the actual scientists on this board.

Ironic then that you are yourself attacking him now.

Perhaps you should remove that beam from your eye before criticizing others?

Except that applies to brothers, with brothers when the plank is removed they can see clearly to remove the speck. But if you are implying the plank is the criticism, then no plank or speck would ever be removed.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Amber the Duskbringer,
He hasnt said he hates you, you said he hates you. It is you who is projecting your views as his.



Do they? As you see I dont.

never said it wasn't real, and obviuosly I never said anyone wasnt real.
Well thats your feeling again, you cant attrribute that to people who dont feel any hate.
What about my friend who only has one partial arm? If he can live in the joy of the Lord whay cant others?

Cause I dont feel like bracketing each part of your post in quotes ill just get it in numbers.
1. I feel his hate sir, all I try to do is tell him how much I love him and he projects all this anger and stuff towards me! can i cry on your shoulder?

2. Do they what? I forgot the question.
3. Ok good was beginning to fear that I was beginning life into nonexistence.
4. I feel all kinds of hate, only reason you don't see it as much here is because they have COH. Go to a place like newsvine and see the real opinions on TS's and TG's. I feel that here but as if it is holding back with so many words. And no I cant say all, hence me saying many.
5. Oh but we do! He could get a arm regrowth eventually and do you think he wouldnt? Honestly if the technology was there don't you think he would like to have his arm back? So it is with people with GID who wish to live as their mind is. We don't just say, ok let's find a new way to be hated by millions of people. Some think it is a over flow of estrogen in the womb. Others think it could be attributed to cosmic zombies trying to rule the world. The reality is we chose to live how we felt we could function in society.

 

[Jase]

The irony of it is that I tend to be right half the time. I don't put something above the Bible because it puts food on the table, or because I do not want to acknowledge the supremacy and infinite power of God.
No, I attack those who tell us creationists that we are wrong. It's not insecurity, it's an appropriate measure to make it be known that people do not have to conform to such a ridiculous theology that not only does not fit into Creation, but much of the Bible itself. It takes a lot of thought and recognizance to fully understand and interpret that, but the way I see it, if people can spend 10 hours a day looking at fossils or whatever their trade is, then they can spend just as much time seeing the error of TE.

I'm not going to continue to pull this off-topic.

You've been here 1 month. Many of us having been doing this for close to a decade. Maybe you should show some humility and stop pretending at age 23 that you have all the answers! I was a fundamentalist at your age too, until I stopped ignoring evidence in favor of outdated theology.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Amber the DuskBringer,

1. I feel his hate sir, all I try to do is tell him how much I love him and he projects all this anger and stuff towards me! can i cry on your shoulder?

But what you perceive as anger and hate he hasn’t said is hate and I don’t perceive it as hate and anger. Are you imagining it?

He could get a arm regrowth eventually and do you think he wouldnt?

He might, but then others might get their feelings reversed.

 

[Sum1sGruj]

brightmorningstar makes good points, though. In truth, some things are just the way they are whether one likes it or not. In a secular opinion, if a transgender gets reproductive transplants, then they could be considered female in that fashion. But their chromosomes wouldn't hold up to it, and it certainly does not override anything Christian-wise.
There's nothing wrong with transgenders. If some are actually implying that I am discriminating, then I am afraid that is completely unfounded.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Amber the DuskBringer,
But what you perceive as anger and hate he hasn’t said is hate and I don’t perceive it as hate and anger. Are you imagining it?

He might, but then others might get their feelings reversed.

But if he is angry and I am not but you think I am which I am not but if anger is what you think is going on with me how do you explain the anger he holds towards us with the anger you say I have?

2. Um how so? Feelings reversed? What about the rest I said. Hey I argued all your points the least you do is the same on mine! and I even put em in numbers! hmmmmph

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

brightmorningstar makes good points, though. In truth, some things are just the way they are whether one likes it or not. In a secular opinion, if a transgender gets reproductive transplants, then they could be considered female in that fashion. But their chromosomes wouldn't hold up to it, and it certainly does not override anything Christian-wise.
There's nothing wrong with transgenders. If some are actually implying that I am discriminating, then I am afraid that is completely unfounded.

Oh baby I knew you didn't hate me! *swoons and waits for a kiss*

 

[brightmorningstar]

Jase,

I haven't seen a single post of yours that has been even marginally accurate, but ok.

why not, I have, my issue would be with yours.

You are wrong! Creationism is a lie.

Well creationism by definition on wiki is belief in a supernatural creator. I don’t think you can say that’s wrong.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Amber the Duskbringer,

2. Um how so? Feelings reversed? What about the rest I said.

ugh? if the gender dysphoria ceases what point is the rest?

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Amber the Duskbringer,

ugh? if the gender dysphoria ceases what point is the rest?

It wont cease til our bodies are congruent with our mind. Now that brings up a interesting question. If their was a cure for GID without having to transition would I take it? No I wouldnt and here is why. I have lived more than alot of people will. No I won't say my life experience is the most but to have seen the world through the eyes of a male and female is a experience which is quite humbling. God has given me this chance to live the life I have. I consider this somewhat of a blessing. would I prefer to be cisgendered?(biologically female) Yes unequivocally.

 

[Sum1sGruj]

It wont cease til our bodies are congruent with our mind. Now that brings up a interesting question. If their was a cure for GID without having to transition would I take it? No I wouldnt and here is why. I have lived more than alot of people will. No I won't say my life experience is the most but to have seen the world through the eyes of a male and female is a experience which is quite humbling. God has given me this chance to live the life I have. I consider this somewhat of a blessing. would I prefer to be cisgendered?(biologically female) Yes unequivocally.

Hmm., maybe that will bring to light what I stated earlier about God making us the way we are for a reason

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Hmm., maybe that will bring to light what I stated earlier about God making us the way we are for a reason

 

[Zebra1552]

With few exceptions, I'm not talking about some random person arbitrarily deciding. I'm talking about an individual who recognizes their condition and who chooses to seek professional diagnosis and treatment for themselves.

You're not talking about a person deciding with no real basis, you're just talking about a person who sees what they have as a condition and determine for themselves that they need help. Um... what's the difference, exactly?

The exceptions I have in mind involve parents whose children have severe deformities or doctors that recognize a life threatening condition that urgently needs treatment.

Transgendered people do not have a life threatening condition.

Other than that, I can't presently think of anyone else that should have a right to make such life altering decisions for another individual.

Then what right do you or anyone else have to dictate what a transgendered person does or doesn't do?

 

[David Brider]

In a secular opinion, if a transgender gets reproductive transplants, then they could be considered female in that fashion.

Well, technically "in secular opinion" if a transgender person doesn't get gender reassignment surgery, they're considered to be their preferred gender - or at least, it's generally considered polite to refer to them as such.

But their chromosomes wouldn't hold up to it...

Isn't the issue with at least some transgender people precisely that their chromosomes are not in line with their body as a whole? i.e. someone may be outwardly male, but their chromosomes would suggest they're female? I must admit transgenderism is still something I'm learning about, but that's the impression I've received from some of the discussions on here.

David.

 

[Zebra1552]

Christian-wise, no.
I hate to put it that way, but this is the philosophy and ethics section. I can't really bend what is technical along Bible standards. That said transplant is not part of your body, and is unnecessary at that. You cannot put that in the same category as lets say, a heart transplant, which is a life or death scenario. But moreover, it's alien to your body, which is of the Kingdom and not that of Eden. God makes everyone the way they are for a reason. It's up to us to decide if we follow or not.

Adamantly claiming the same stuff that ignores what a transgendered person is- and I gave you plenty of information in my last post to you where you claimed to be ending the discussion and I showed you otherwise- while ignoring evidence that proves your claims wrong isn't usually how a discussion continues.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Amber the DuskBringer,

It wont cease til our bodies are congruent with our mind.

If it ceases the mind will be congruent with the body, thats the point.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

I dont like debating with you, you just pick and choose bits of my post. I address the entirety of yours. It says to me you can only debate the bits you know. Sorry. I am bored now.

 

[jennimatts]

No, I attack those who tell us creationists that we are wrong.

I haven't read your other posts, but it sounds like we might agree on this. Yeeeess, a transwoman who professes Christ, and further, holds to the Biblical account of a six day creation only a few thousand years ago. Go figure!

 

[jennimatts]

There's nothing wrong with transgenders.

Whoa! Didn't see that coming! Please elaborate.