Transgender son

[Sum1sGruj]

This thread is confusing. I could never figure out if the son/daughter was male/female.

Anyways, the way I see it, if you have the capacity to get pregnant (or could if not for etc. etc.), then you are a woman.
Otherwise, you are a man.
That's how I gauge it, honestly.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

This thread is confusing. I could never figure out if the son/daughter was male/female.

Anyways, the way I see it, if you have the capacity to get pregnant (or could if not for etc. etc.), then you are a woman.
Otherwise, you are a man.
That's how I gauge it, honestly.

By that tired logic what about women without the capability to get pregnant? Are they men by your extremely most definitely flawed logic?

 

[Sum1sGruj]

Originally Posted by Sum1sGruj

This thread is confusing. I could never figure out if the son/daughter was male/female.

Anyways, the way I see it, if you have the capacity to get pregnant (or could if not for etc. etc.), then you are a woman.
Otherwise, you are a man.
That's how I gauge it, honestly.
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By that tired logic what about women without the capability to get pregnant? Are they men by your extremely most definitely flawed logic?

My logic is quite bold.
Do not ever step across that bound with me. It is obvious what you intend to do with your logic.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

My logic is quite bold.

By bold do you mean incredibly broken, ancient and full of holes? Or just so boldly dense to believe that rubbish is true? I would like to say some things here but I am afraid I am teetering on being banned anyway so I will settle on You are just wrong. Why? Cause I say so. I mean you can do that so why not me?

Why bother to give out facts etc when you can just fall back on the "no u" argument?

in short

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Do not ever step across that bound with me. It is obvious what you intend to do with your logic.

Oh really? Or? Indulge me please.

 

[Sum1sGruj]

Oh really? Or? Indulge me please.

You obviously overlooked where I specifically included those who are incapable (on the first), in which I put in bold on my second post.
You are bringing all that to the wrong person. Do not ever tell me my logic is flawed by your obvious over-liberal crap.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

You obviously overlooked where I specifically included those who are incapable, in which I put in bold on my second post
You are bringing all that to the wrong person. Do not ever tell me my logic is flawed by your obvious over-liberal crap.

So I overlooked one thing. Hoopdy doo You still have alot to learn if you think your logic is superior. Liberal? Pffft please, I hold no fealty to this country. I go with my own flow. However I do so with logic and faith.

If we go by what makes a man a man I could say you don't have the stuff son. It's nothing to do with whats between yer legs hun

Bring it on ding dong *hugs*

 

[Sum1sGruj]

Judges 15:15-16
Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men. Then Samson said,
With a donkey’s jawbone
I have made donkeys of them.
With a donkey’s jawbone
I have killed a thousand men.”

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Judges 15:15-16
Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men. Then Samson said,
With a donkey’s jawbone
I have made donkeys of them.
With a donkey’s jawbone
I have killed a thousand men.”

All that time and you came up with that? So you're threatening to kill me with a jawbone? That's hardcore son.

I can beat that tho.

Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.

 

[Sum1sGruj]

All that time and you came up with that? So you're threatening to kill me with a jawbone? That's hardcore son.

I'm just having my fun with you. If I wanted to be rude I could have given the real version of that passage.

My knowledge isn't 'superior', but it's well above yours, obviously. If you actually spoke anything that had any weight, you would find out.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

I'm just having my fun with you. If I wanted to be rude I could have given the real version of that passage.

My knowledge isn't 'superior', but it's well above yours, obviously. If you actually spoke anything that had any weight, you would find out.

Ah I see you pull the "troll trolling a troll in a sea of trolls" tactic gotcha

Why dontcha give the real passage. could be some fun in a dead thread

Why yes sir your knowledge is superior! Because I have nothing really, I just like you. I really like you. One could say I have been crushing on you.

Hey are you poking fun at my weight?! I am quite self conscious about that you know. Although I would like to find out :3 you me and a cup of tea?

I stand by her daughter is her daughter and her love for her daughter is amazing and inspirational

 

[jennimatts]

...aberrations are indicators that something has gone wrong.

GLBT's are NOT aberrations. We see GLB in nature all the time.

Just because we see something in nature doesn't mean it isn't an aberration. It's not an aberration from nature, of course, but it may well be an aberration from Gods perfect creation. (Did I just agree with talitha?)

Although it's my belief that I was born with gender dysphoria, I also believe that this would not have happened if mankind had never sinned. Just as any other condition or malformity is a natural occurance, it would never have been part of Gods perfect creation. But, the world we live in is not the perfect world God created, it is under the curse of sin.

Assuming that gender dysphoria is not part of God's perfect creation, must one as myself continue living with the condition, or is it reasonable to take steps to correct or eliminate it? I chose to undergo medical treatment for this condition.

 

[Zebra1552]

This thread is confusing. I could never figure out if the son/daughter was male/female.

Anyways, the way I see it, if you have the capacity to get pregnant (or could if not for etc. etc.), then you are a woman.
Otherwise, you are a man.
That's how I gauge it, honestly.

And we should follow your gauge because...

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

What really makes me sad is my secret crush ran away! I need to be consoled *cries*

 

[Sum1sGruj]

And we should follow your gauge because...

You don't., but I know stubbornness when I see it, so I already know my statements will probably be shot down no matter how true it may be.
Break down the word woman.

 

[Zebra1552]

Just because we see something in nature doesn't mean it isn't an aberration. It's not an aberration from nature, of course, but it may well be an aberration from Gods perfect creation. (Did I just agree with talitha?)

First off, see my siggy. God's creation isn't perfect. Secondly, in order for such a statement to have any influence on the topic, it would need to be in the Bible that it deviates from God's plan.

Although it's my belief that I was born with gender dysphoria, I also believe that this would not have happened if mankind had never sinned.

Good for you.

Just as any other condition or malformity is a natural occurance, it would never have been part of Gods perfect creation. But, the world we live in is not the perfect world God created, it is under the curse of sin.

So you believe that God made you flawed. That must really help you live your life.

Assuming that gender dysphoria is not part of God's perfect creation, must one as myself continue living with the condition, or is it reasonable to take steps to correct or eliminate it? I chose to undergo medical treatment for this condition.

So should we 'treat' other things that are arbitrarily decided to be 'not in God's plan', or is it just transgendered folk?

 

[jennimatts]

So you believe that God made you flawed. That must really help you live your life.

Actually, no, that's not what I believe. I believe God made Adam and Eve perfect. With the exception of Jesus, I believe everyone else since creation is flawed. We live our lives the best we can, and if we have the ability to fix some imperfection through medical treatment, we should.

I am very thankful to God that he has saved me. I also thank God that medical science was able to treat my condition.

So should we 'treat' other things that are arbitrarily decided to be 'not in God's plan', or is it just transgendered folk?

We are getting off topic, but do you have something specific in mind?

 

[jennimatts]

So should we 'treat' other things that are arbitrarily decided to be 'not in God's plan', or is it just transgendered folk?

If you are thinking things like physical deformities, yes.

 

[Sum1sGruj]

It really depends on what is meant by transgender, as it is loosely coined. One can argue all day, bit if it simply means homosexual, then one is sinning if they act upon it. It's just that simple. There's no need to put on the liberal hat, because God is very clear on it.
Physically:
If you have a womb, you are a woman.
If you do not, you are a man.

That is the literal idea, gender is not based on opinion.
Gender deformities do not really mean anything until you decide you are going to be something you clearly are not.

That is really all there is to it.

 

[Zebra1552]

Actually, no, that's not what I believe. I believe God made Adam and Eve perfect.

Then why did they sin? See my siggy about perfect creation. There's really no reasoning behind it. God never said it was perfect and expected things to change. Why, then, turn around and say it was perfect? Why define one person's decision as unnatural and another's natural?

With the exception of Jesus, I believe everyone else since creation is flawed. We live our lives the best we can, and if we have the ability to fix some imperfection through medical treatment, we should.

What is perfect?

I am very thankful to God that he has saved me. I also thank God that medical science was able to treat my condition.

How does this establish that transgendered people are not within God's plan? Why should your decision be the same as another's?

We are getting off topic, but do you have something specific in mind?

It's quite on topic to GLBT issues, and this thread discusses transgendered people. Therefore, why should we change a condition that some random person decides isn't in God's plan? Why should we base God's plan on the decisions of random people?