Transgender son

[brightmorningstar]

Amber the Duskbringer,

K first off. You never addressed half my posts and yet you demand I address a very weird question?

Well it could be that is the breakdown. You will see from all my posts that I usually try and address all points by quoting then, its only where subsequent arguments are built on a premise I have argued against, do I not address them with the same answer.

Dude for real how the heck do those even correlate? If you don't see it why bring it up over and over? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

The question is when we are doing the work of God we mostly are not thinking of ourselves, but others and God.

secondly, I have explained that other part to you. [/quote] But even you went lukewarm on laura’s playground, and I don’t see the answers to my questions in tsroadmap. In fact one useful terminology found on tsroadmap is
Female: In biology, the sex of an organism that produces ova, or the larger gamete.

Honestly dude no offense, I don't think you are sober or of sound mind at the moment because all your posts have been making no sense whatsoever.

Not to you perhaps, but to others here for whom your posts are making no sense.

How does this need to wear womens clothes correlate between the space alien who landed in your back yard correlate between the truck you ate last thursday? Not to joke but its reading out like that.

If a person who has a male body wears women’s clothes they don’t fit as well as clothes made for men. The person may feel women’s clothes are best and want to wear them, but the brain has actually made the wrong functional choice.

If you think I am just dressing female you are wrong. I am living female, I look female, I sound female, I dress female because I am female.

Female: In biology, the sex of an organism that produces ova, or the larger gamete.

yes?

Hence my sexuality has nothing to do with this. Please stop trying to rail road it that way.

Sexuality is a nonsense, it is a deception for who one wants to have sexual activity with.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Amber the Duskbringer,
Well it could be that is the breakdown. You will see from all my posts that I usually try and address all points by quoting then, its only where subsequent arguments are built on a premise I have argued against, do I not address them with the same answer.

The question is when we are doing the work of God we mostly are not thinking of ourselves, but others and God.

secondly, I have explained that other part to you. But even you went lukewarm on laura’s playground, and I don’t see the answers to my questions in tsroadmap. In fact one useful terminology found on tsroadmap is
Female: In biology, the sex of an organism that produces ova, or the larger gamete.

Not to you perhaps, but to others here for whom your posts are making no sense.

If a person who has a male body wears women’s clothes they don’t fit as well as clothes made for men. The person may feel women’s clothes are best and want to wear them, but the brain has actually made the wrong functional choice.

Female: In biology, the sex of an organism that produces ova, or the larger gamete.

yes?

Sexuality is a nonsense, it is a deception for who one wants to have sexual activity with.

You aren't finding the answers that fit your narrow biblical view. Everyone is lukewarm against lauras because like here they censor crap in the name of keeping it a safe environment. Then again, if I had to defend myself against biblemen such as you all day I would want a safe place myself.

I am female. End of story. Done debating this with you, this logic is so circular and I am tired of it.

Sexuality is a nonsense hur dur, its a deception *smacks the sinnar with bible* derp derp. You keep bringing up, I mean just cause you prob need the blue pill doesn't mean noone should be happy. Im done here with you. /ignore.

Ps about me not making sense on alot of my posts. See sig. Good day.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Amber the Duskbringer,

You aren't finding the answers that fit your narrow biblical view.

No, that’s not what I said, I said the site doesn’t address the specific questions I asked you, and where is transgender in the Bible my friend, or is the Bible actually narrow because transgender is your added heresy?

I am female. End of story.

So you can produce ova, or the larger gamete? Yes or no? Because you claim the tsroadmap gives the answers and that’s the term in the site for female.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

I like how much smaller this thread got with one on ignore :3

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

So maybe, but answer me this, how specifically do you think it is sexist?

It's basically related to my question, what could make someone think they're the wrong gender?*

Perhaps it's the idea that we have male and female brains, which personally I think is bunk. If a boy prefers painting to playing football and isn't very good at maths, does that mean he has a "female brain"? I doubt it. That's why I think transgenderism is unwittingly sexist.

I also suspect that's why there are more male-to-female transgenders than there are female-to-male transgenders. Women have had Feminism to help them. If a woman wishes to do a traditionally male job it's because she's "empowered"; if a man wishes to do a traditionally female job, we think there must be something wrong with him. What? A boy who likes clothes? That's not natural! Maybe he's gay or something ...

Doesn't it occur to us that it's perfectly fine to enjoy cooking, making dresses, looking after children ... and still be a man?

*Not including medical conditions of course.

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Somewhat strangely I also disagree with Sum1sGrunj and BrightMorningStar, because I don't care much for gender roles. But doesn't it seem just as strange to argue that we have male and female brains, then say that gender roles are a purely social invention?

 

[Jase]

It's basically related to my question, what could make someone think they're the wrong gender?*

Perhaps it's the idea that we have male and female brains, which personally I think is bunk.

Actually male and female brains are wired differently.

How Male and Female Brains Differ

 

[FreeinChrist]

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This topic is on a transgendered son - not homosexuality.
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[jennimatts]

Notedstrangeperson asked "What could make someone think they're the wrong gender?" I certainly cannot explain what caused this, nor why. Nor do I dare to suggest it's the same for everyone.

Although I was raised as a boy with the expectation that I would be a man, I never really was, despite the masculine role I was living in. I really don't know what it's like to be a man.

It is difficult to put into words, therefore any attempt to explain this condition likely will involve imprecise terminology. For example, one might say "I feel like I'm a woman", yet in my experience, it is much deeper than a feeling. I usually avoid saying I feel like a woman because it really doesn't convey the complete meaning. It is more of an awareness or something I discovered about myself. Before 4 years old I was aware of my gender mismatch, although I do not know how I came to this realization. Obviously I couldn't fully understand it at that age. In fact it has taken decades, and I'm still learning to understand it. But one thing I have known with certainty all these years is that I was a girl / am a woman.

Notedstrangeperson, your profile says you're female, so imagine being cast in a play as a man. With practice, you could learn to portray certain aspects of your role as a man, yet it may be obvious that you are a woman playing that role. No matter how long your theatrical portrayal of a male character continues, it wouldn't make you a man, and I doubt it would make you want to be. Try to imagine that you were forced to portray that role 24/7 for your whole life. How would it feel having to hide/suppress significant aspects of yourself? Could it cause mental anguish?

You said "If a boy prefers painting to playing football and isn't very good at maths, does that mean he has a "female brain"? I doubt it." Are you suggesting this identifies him as transgender? Statistically I doubt it would. A lot of transgender individuals work really hard to excel in activities typically associated with their birth sex, yet ultimately realize that suppressing their core gender identity is not possible.

I'm still not certain if I understand what you're saying by "transgenderism is unwittingly sexist".

I've read reports that claim numbers of MtF and FtM transsexuals are similar (don't remember where I saw that). Perhaps Feminism does skew the numbers, I don't know. But I've also heard FtMs say that "male privilege" was one reason they decided to transition. Another important detail that could skew the numbers is the fact that medical science can't form a satisfactorily functional (male anatomy). On the other hand, male hormones are significantly more effective in masculinizing a persons appearance than the opposite.

I agree our culture assumes "...if a man wishes to do a traditionally female job, we think there must be something wrong with him... Doesn't it occur to us that it's perfectly fine to enjoy cooking, making dresses, looking after children ... and still be a man?" Yes, but again there's no correlation between this and being transgender.

 

[Nietzscheiswrong]

As a christian mother am I wrong supporting him?

As a mother if u don't support him you are not his mother anymore but just another person from the street.

The myth of Sodoma and Gomorra has made too many victims already. Your son shouldn't be the next.

I guess your son is gay and not a transgender (yet).
If he wants tell him to get an operation if this will help him psychologically.

Anyhow he needs you twice as much as a son of his age would normally.
I wish I could give you more advice but I can't.

All I can say is try to meet other parents with LGBT kids and ask them to give you feedback on real life situations and their experience.

Psychologically you are much weaker than him. Usually parents won't accept that his son has terminal illness for example cancer and will not help him but more often than not do worse and add stress to his illness because they do not accept the fact that it happened to them etc etc. Infantile behavior and selfish on their part. It is comprehensible as it is a normal survival reaction but is detrimental to the kid's quality of life.

In this case he is not sick but is not like everyone else out there either just like cancer patients in my example.
He isn't sick because being homosexual is not a disease of course.

The worse thing that can happen to a kid who knows he is not like everyone else is feeling rejected. He is already rejected by society at large apart from the small gay community if he does not have the parent's support or doesn't feel like he has he will surely end up with a psychological pathology as well as being gay. You will have to SHOW him you love him by telling him that you love him and supporting him in any way possible.

First of all (I guess it from your post) you don't know what it means to be gay. You don't have a clue and don't know the difference between being gay and transgender.
You should. And you should know everything about gayness so that you can relate to your son more. Same thing goes for the kids father.
As a matter of fact YOU should know more about being gay than your kid if you really want to help him-posting here means you want to already.

Your son is not a transgender yet. He still didn't change sex. He just cross dresses. He still has a penis and testicles. He is not on hormonal treatments, he does not have breasts. So now he is only a gay who cross-dresses.

Move to the city if you can. The town is bigot. Because it doesn't know what being different is (neither do you. If you grew up in a big city you would have known that your son is gay and not trans). It is a closed community and will be an obstacle to your kid. Old testament religious fundamentalism will be too.

People who think that being gay goes against God are delusional and believe the myth of sodoma and gomorra to be real-absurd.

Oh he will probably want you to tell him how to hook up guys but not have the guts to tell you. Every teenager asks his parent or would want to ask him about "sexual initiation" Your kid is not unlike any other teenager apart from the fact that he's gay. He wants,dreams,thinks and acts like a teenager.

You need real life situations. Not scripture. Pastures/ministers/priests will not help you but tell you that your son should be chaste and not have a life basically.

Counseling is good. Let him leave the town when he is psychologically stronger, and stronger about his sexual identity. Before would be a tragedy for him. Send him to college in a big city.

Hope everything turns out fine. God bless.

P.S. please don't tell him not to use condoms as gays have higher chances of contracting Aids. You should infact tell him to use them and be realistic instead of hiding one's head beneath the sand. It does no good to the boy.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Hey bud, I uh don't mean to piddle on your parade. but this line here.

"Your son is not a transgender yet. He still didn't change sex. He just cross dresses. He still has a penis and testicles. He is not on hormonal treatments, he does not have breasts. So now he is only a gay who cross-dresses."

Is not true. I don't know about the OP's son/daughter cause I dont think she specified if he/she really wants to be a girl or just wear the clothes but... Having those 3 things doesn't mean a person isn't transgender. It's one thing to be gay and wear drag. It's quite another to feel like you are trapped in the wrong body which will have you fall under the transgender definition. To be a TS is to actively seen the hormones and live your life as the opposite sex your body physically is. The rest of your post is filled with good intentions but certain bits just aren't fully true. I mean no offense.

Sexual preference != gender orientation.

 

[Sum1sGruj]

People who think that being gay goes against God are delusional and believe the myth of sodoma and gomorra to be real-absurd.

What is absurd is that you actually believe that. I believe the rules on this forum strictly state that homosexuality is not to be promoted.

..,Because it's against Christianity.

Jesus stated that not one letter from the OC is to be abandoned until all is accomplished.
When he was on the cross, he said 'it is finished'. As in, he succeeded. He saves whoever believes in him.

Newsflash: his payment for our sins keeps us from Earthly punishments and sacrifice, but it does not omit that a sin is a sin. He smoothed out some things in the OC, but it still stands. At the end of your life, you will be judged according to sins you shamelessly commit, as Jesus also stated is not one to be used.

So i would suggest that you reconcile with that idea.

 

[Jase]

What is absurd is that you actually believe that. I believe the rules on this forum strictly state that homosexuality is not to be promoted.

..,Because it's against Christianity.

No, it's not to be discussed at all outside specific forums. That topic wasn't banned because it was against this forums views (which does not speak for all of Christianity as you egregiously claim). We had an entire forum devoted to the topic for years. It was banned, because both sides fought so much that the mods were tired of closing threads and responding to reports every second.

Newsflash

: his payment for our sins keeps us from Earthly punishments and sacrifice, but it does not omit that a sin is a sin. He smoothed out some things in the OC, but it still stands. At the end of your life, you will be judged according to sins you shamelessly commit, as Jesus also stated is not one to be used.

So i would suggest that you reconcile with that idea.

You first. You will be judged by the Torah as you continue to condemn others with it, so sayeth the Bible.

 

[Sum1sGruj]

You first. You will be judged by the Torah as you continue to condemn others with it, so sayeth the Bible.

Not condemn.,
Uphold and educate. There is a supreme difference.

Correcteth blasphemy where it is said. That is not condemning.

And it seems, despite your extreme idea of being more mighty simply because of your seniority on the site, that I know the rules better then you. In fact, someone already put on the mod hat within this thread. If I wanted to condemn, all I'd have to do is press a button, but I am not that kind of person.

 

[Zebra1552]

Not condemn.,
Uphold and educate. There is a supreme difference.

Correcteth blasphemy where it is said. That is not condemning.

And it seems, despite your extreme idea of being more mighty simply because of your seniority on the site, that I know the rules better then you. In fact, someone already put on the mod hat within this thread. If I wanted to condemn, all I'd have to do is press a button, but I am not that kind of person.

If you know the rules so well, then address the post, not the poster, and quit baiting him.

 

[Sum1sGruj]

If you know the rules so well, then address the post, not the poster, and quit baiting him.

I already have. How about stop beating around the bush and getting real, because all the babbling is vain. If you think that I am an affront to homosexuality, imagine how people like me feel when their religion is warped into whatever others wish it could be, and then trying to tell them that they are absurd.
I wouldn't know, but I have a pretty good feeling the subject is against the rules to promote because it is not a Christian concept and is in fact an affront to more orthodox Christians.
So whatever contempt you wish to share is quite hollow and hypocritical. In fact, I'm unsubscribing to this thread because I have already been sanctioned for not being as patient as others would like me to be

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Notedstrangeperson, your profile says you're female, so imagine being cast in a play as a man. With practice, you could learn to portray certain aspects of your role as a man, yet it may be obvious that you are a woman playing that role. No matter how long your theatrical portrayal of a male character continues, it wouldn't make you a man, and I doubt it would make you want to be. Try to imagine that you were forced to portray that role 24/7 for your whole life. How would it feel having to hide/suppress significant aspects of yourself? Could it cause mental anguish?

It would cause no anguish at all. And what does it mean to be "cast in the role of a man"? Doing all the DIY? Wearing trousers instead of skirts? Not wearing makeup? I do all that already.

You said "If a boy prefers painting to playing football and isn't very good at maths, does that mean he has a "female brain"? I doubt it." Are you suggesting this identifies him as transgender?
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I'm still not certain if I understand what you're saying by "transgenderism is unwittingly sexist".

On the contrary, I'm arguing that such assumptions are mistaken. If a boy prefers painting to playing football and isn't very good at maths, then that means he's a normal boy who doesn't like football or maths, but enjoys painting. He's not gay nor transgendered.

This is a flaw I've noticed in the transgender argument: saying that they were born in the wrong body (a female brain in male body, for example) yet at the same time saying gender roles are social, not biological. If we have male and female brains this means gender roles are evolved.

Speaking of which -

Actually male and female brains are wired differently.

I disagree. There have been many studies (including your link) looking at the "difference between male and female brains". The results supposedly show what men and women are better at.

However all of these studies usually come from the Western world. When you go to another country or study intersexed people, the results are often completely different. This is why I think the differences between male and female brains are highly exaggerated.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Nice to see people making light of other peoples hellish situations. Good for you. Quite wonderful seeing christians being christian.

Now onto the point.

"This is a flaw I've noticed in the transgender argument: saying that they were born in the wrong body (a female brain in male body, for example) yet at the same time saying gender roles are social, not biological. If we have male and female brains this means gender roles are evolved."

Once again. Having the body that matches my brain doesn't mean I will be fulfilling the stereotypical roles of a female. Maybe I like wearing pants and t shirts? Not all TS are froo froo girly girls. You need some lessons in reading comprehension regarding words with multiple meanings.

For example. My mind is female, my body is becoming more congruent with my mind daily(which I bet grosses many of you out, I like that idea, making the fundies cringe ) However I don't stand around fulfilling the 1950s wommerns in the kitchen where they belong mentality. So therefore.

Female biological term != Female gender roles.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Once again. Having the body that matches my brain doesn't mean I will be fulfilling the stereotypical roles of a female. Maybe I like wearing pants and t shirts? Not all TS are froo froo girly girls. You need some lessons in reading comprehension regarding words with multiple meanings.

For example. My mind is female, my body is becoming more congruent with my mind daily(which I bet grosses many of you out, I like that idea, making the fundies cringe ) However I don't stand around fulfilling the 1950s wommerns in the kitchen where they belong mentality. So therefore.

Female biological term != Female gender roles.

But you haven't answered by question. What does it mean to have a female mind, or a female brain? If we have male and female brains, this would mean gender roles are fixed, evolved, genetic - not something society has made up.

Or to put it another way: if you don't have the body of a woman, don't act like woman, and don't think they way women are "supposed" to think - what makes you think you're a woman?

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

You already answered that you can't handle that kind of thinking in your last post with the snarky joke. Why should I even bother to waste my time if you are just going to make light of it? Answer that and we can continue.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

You already answered that you can't handle that kind of thinking in your last post with the snarky joke. Why should I even bother to waste my time if you are just going to make light of it? Answer that and we can continue.

What snarky joke?