Transgender "Inclusive"Language:Where does it end and begin?

SnowyMacie · Nov 2, 2015

About the mother/father question brought up earlier....

A transman can, and already has become pregnant. As far as referring to parents, most transgenders that I have met still go by "mom" or "dad".

Yeshuas_My_Freedom · Nov 2, 2015

Cute Tink said:
Yes, this is the kind of website you just linked to:

There are biologically intersex people. Denying that is absurd.

And this website implies that we are less than people. Congrats on finding this awful site.

There is nothing on that website worth reading.

But you did read it in order to find the excerpts you took issue with.

Also, your outrage isn't to be directed at me. A question was asked about trans agenda and I replied with that answer.
Further, I meant exactly what I said when I said Trans men. Men who think they're women. I don't concern myself with the proper term that transsexuals prefer. Men who think they need to transition can only transition into one Cis. See how that ridiculous label beginning for people really looks?

Yeshuas_My_Freedom · Nov 2, 2015

TX_Matt said:
About the mother/father question brought up earlier....

A transman can, and already has become pregnant. As far as referring to parents, most transgenders that I have met still go by "mom" or "dad".

A woman first and foremost became pregnant.

Cute Tink · Nov 2, 2015

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:
But you did read it in order to find the excerpts you took issue with.

Just because it isn't worth reading doesn't mean I didn't.

Also, your outrage isn't to be directed at me. A question was asked about trans agenda and I replied with that answer.
Further, I meant exactly what I said when I said Trans men. Men who think they're women. I don't concern myself with the proper term that transsexuals prefer.

It's not a matter of preference, but of actual meaning of the term.

Men who think they need to transition can only transition into one Cis. See how that ridiculous label beginning for people really looks?

Cis gender, as explained to you, is a label that was not created by the transgender community as you asserted.

Trans people don't transition to become cis, let alone "one Cis", which I'm not sure what you even think that means.

Cute Tink · Nov 2, 2015

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:
A woman first and foremost became pregnant.

When science gets to the point where trans people can have full reproductive capability after transition, are you going to acknowledge that trans women are women and trans men are men?

Dave-W · Nov 2, 2015

Only when you can change XX to XY and/or vice versa will I acknowledge trans people for their acquired status.

Cute Tink · Nov 2, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said:
Only when you can change XX to XY and/or vice versa will I acknowledge trans people for their acquired status.

It doesn't bother you, then, that there are already people who are XY female or XX male at birth then?

Or the variety of non-XX and non-XY people?

Yeshuas_My_Freedom · Nov 2, 2015

Cute Tink said:
When science gets to the point where trans people can have full reproductive capability after transition, are you going to acknowledge that trans women are women and trans men are men?

No biological human male will ever give birth.

Your account always comes on line with a thread like this opens.
Christians are entitled to be tolerated for their opinion on this issue as well.

I'm out of this discussion. Trans expect to be tolerated but rarely tolerate those opposed to their demands. That does not go unnoticed.

SnowyMacie · Nov 2, 2015

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:
No biological human male will ever give birth.

Your account always comes on line with a thread like this opens.
Christians are entitled to be tolerated for their opinion on this issue as well.

I'm out of this discussion. Trans expect to be tolerated but rarely tolerate those opposed to their demands. That does not go unnoticed.

Disagreement and dispelling misinformation is not intolerance.

Cute Tink · Nov 2, 2015

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:
No biological human male will ever give birth.

That depends on your definition. If you mean XY person, you are incorrect. It has happened.

As for the rest, it is a matter of time. Scientists have already transplanted a uterus from mother to daughter and grown them for women born without them.

Your account always comes on line with a thread like this opens.

Is there some reason why I should not be participating on topics like this? You are the second person to wonder why I respond to topics that I'm interested in. Not sure why that's a mystery.

Christians are entitled to be tolerated for their opinion on this issue as well.

I'm out of this discussion. Trans expect to be tolerated but rarely tolerate those opposed to their demands. That does not go unnoticed.

I have said nothing against Christianity and insulted nobody. In what way am I not being tolerant?

Red Fox · Nov 2, 2015

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:
Your account always comes on line with a thread like this opens

Of course it does. Cute Tink wants to dispel any misinformation, misconception or prejudice that often occur against transgender people in threads like this.

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:
Christians are entitled to be tolerated for their opinion on this issue as well.

In my friend's defense, Cute Tink has been the most tolerate person of Christian opinions on this issue in threads like this one.

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:
I'm out of this discussion. Trans expect to be tolerated but rarely tolerate those opposed to their demands. That does not go unnoticed.

My experience, in following threads of this nature, is that it is many Christians who are the most intolerant of transgender people, not the other way around.

lupusFati · Nov 2, 2015

I had a lot of issues with trans due to Christian upbringing. I still have issues but I'm slowly starting to educate myself, etc.

I'm keeping an open mind, and it's hard overcoming that initial indoctrination (not just religiously but with what society demands and expects of us). But I'm slowly getting there.

Also I just find it funny people are going "we shouldn't use labels" and then expect trans people to conform to the male/female labels of their initial sex at birth.

EDIT: I feel I should be more clear. When I say "I still have issues" I mean that I simply just do not completely understand it. But that's okay that I don't understand it. People don't understand why I'm gay, or why I'm autistic, or any number of things about me. It's just a lack of perspective/context for me, really.

Maybe I'm explaining that poorly but I'll just stop here.

Dave-W · Nov 2, 2015

Cute Tink said:
It doesn't bother you, then, that there are already people who are XY female or XX male at birth then?

Yeah - that bothers me a lot. I would consider a man who married an XY who is outwardly a female to be guilty of homosexuality. There are a couple of recognized/named conditions that can cause that. Not familiar with XX males.

Or the variety of non-XX and non-XY people?

You mean like XXY or XYY from nuclear nondisjunction? Or are you talking chimeras?

com7fy8 · Nov 2, 2015

Red Fox said:
My experience, in following threads of this nature, is that it is many Christians who are the most intolerant of transgender people, not the other way around.

But why?

It is possible that someone is making a big show of oneself, and so the person becomes a "target".

So, are you talking about gender imitating people with an agenda, and therefore who attract attention? If ones make a show, then wrong people will attack them, self-righteously; there are people who are jealous about anybody else getting attention. Such attackers might call themselves "Christians", casting stones while they themselves need correction.

In any case - - - I myself need correction to be more feeling for others and have compassion.

But gentle and humble people will not make a show of themselves, and so they "might" not draw attack from gender-imitating people. So, who are you comparing? If the gender impostors you mean are making a show, these could get more attack than Christians who are gently and humbly keeping their minds and attention "on things above" (in Colossians 3:2).

It took me a while to "get" what was meant by doctors talking to "men" like they could get pregnant and have menstruation thingies. If a female gets into imitating the male gender, now she becomes a "he" who could get pregnant or menstruate. Hmmm.

How do they legally handle a "man" who commits a crime and could be made pregnant in a prison for males? How far are people going to go with "really" believing a pregnancy capable "man" is really a man?

I think I don't have to control people who are involved in this sort of a thing >

"No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier." (2 Timothy 2:4)

"He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness." (Hebrews 5:2)

So, I take each person as is; there are plenty of other ways people can make up what they want to be true, too.

fat wee robin · Nov 2, 2015

LovelyGiselle said:
Since you are dodging the points in the post and the question, I'll directly ask you about one of the examples:

What should we do about the definition of "mother" and "father"?

Since some folks believe in "equality" and that a man can become a woman, what does this say about motherhood and fatherhood?
other? Is he a father?

Lucifer in ancient Indian history/ religion was an Aquarian .He was supposed to be given God's understanding of how He made the creation like science and maths etc. so he was 'brilliant' in the sense intellectual ,but completely and totally corrupt in the heart ,jealous of Gods' power over him, he rebelled and took with him those who like him did not love God .The end times which we are in the throws of now, are a kind of replay of this 'rebellion ',and those who are transexual have through, in part their own fault ,and part that of the satan lucifer ,who stalks the world looking for souls to devour, fallen into the horrible trap .It is usually through vanity ,intellectual mainly, that these souls end up there .It will be the fate of all who make the mistake of not knowing , that All of Creation is unfolding as God has planned ,that He is the scientist, the musician , the artist etc .
They will all be in hell together ,unless they beg to be released from this trap ,if it is not too late already .

Cute Tink · Nov 2, 2015

DaveW-Ohev said:
Yeah - that bothers me a lot. I would consider a man who married an XY who is outwardly a female to be guilty of homosexuality. There are a couple of recognized/named conditions that can cause that. Not familiar with XX males.

Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia. In one case, the guy was physically male according to all appearances and functionality (possibly not fertile). However, he was XX and had internal female organs.

Why would a man dating a physically female person be homosexuality?

You mean like XXY or XYY from nuclear nondisjunction? Or are you talking chimeras?

Any of the variety of non-XX or XY sets, from X0 to XXXY. Chimeras are another option.

Cute Tink · Nov 2, 2015

com7fy8 said:
It is possible that someone is making a big show of oneself, and so the person becomes a "target".

Some people are just trying to go through life and get physically attacked. Is that their bad because they are too "obviously transgender" and become a target?

If we stick to what is being said here, I am just trying to correct misinformation. Is that making a "big show" and justifying making me a "target"?

So, are you talking about gender imitating people with an agenda, and therefore who attract attention?

"gender imitating"? Seriously?

"with an agenda"... What agenda?

If ones make a show, then wrong people will attack them, self-righteously; there are people who are jealous about anybody else getting attention. Such attackers might call themselves "Christians", casting stones while they themselves need correction.

Always interesting how the moment someone goes too far they are simply written off as "not Christian" by so many people so that "Christians" aren't responsible for anything bad that happens.

But gentle and humble people will not make a show of themselves, and so they "might" not draw attack from gender-imitating people.

Like gently and humbly mocking the entire group by calling us "gender imitating"?

How do they legally handle a "man" who commits a crime and could be made pregnant in a prison for males?

Individually.

How far are people going to go with "really" believing a pregnancy capable "man" is really a man?

How are you defining man in this case?

Cute Tink · Nov 2, 2015

fat wee robin said:
The end times which we are in the throws of now, are a kind of replay of this 'rebellion ',and those who are transexual have through, in part their own fault ,and part that of the satan lucifer ,who stalks the world looking for souls to devour, fallen into the horrible trap .

What is your reason to believe that Satan is being transsexuality?

They will all be in hell together ,unless they beg to be released from this trap ,if it is not too late already .

Please quote your authority for stating I'm going to Hell?

com7fy8 · Nov 2, 2015

com7fy8 said:
It is possible that someone is making a big show of oneself, and so the person becomes a "target".

Cute Tink said:
Some people are just trying to go through life and get physically attacked. Is that their bad because they are too "obviously transgender" and become a target?

I mean people who are on purpose making a show, not ones who are minding their own business. If you on purpose try to show yourself off about something . . . someone is going to criticize you, possibly. This can go for anything.

If I know a man or a woman is imitating the other gender, I might let it go at knowing. But am I going to lie, by saying he is a woman or she is a man? Well . . . also . . . I might just not say "he" or "she", but just name the person. Of course, what if he has a female name change or she has a male name change? I don't know what I do. Possibly, I just do not name the person. But I don't have to join in a lie.

com7fy8 said:
So, are you talking about gender imitating people with an agenda, and therefore who attract attention?

Cute Tink said:
"gender imitating"? Seriously?

Well, if someone claims to have changed from being a man to being a woman, or vice versa . . . the person is still a man or woman . . . still has XY or XX. So, it is imitating if someone tries to be a gender which the person is not. And, yes, I understand there are people who claim I am a make-believer by saying I experience God.

Cute Tink said:
"with an agenda"... What agenda?

I mean like if someone is making a big show in order to try to prove something or try to justify what the person is doing.

com7fy8 said:
How far are people going to go with "really" believing a pregnancy capable "man" is really a man?

Cute Tink said:
How are you defining man in this case?

By "pregnancy capable 'man'", I mean a woman who is pretending to be a man. And by "really a man", I mean really XY, which she is not.

SnowyMacie · Nov 2, 2015

fat wee robin said:
Lucifer in ancient Indian history/ religion was an Aquarian .He was supposed to be given God's understanding of how He made the creation like science and maths etc. so he was 'brilliant' in the sense intellectual ,but completely and totally corrupt in the heart ,jealous of Gods' power over him, he rebelled and took with him those who like him did not love God .The end times which we are in the throws of now, are a kind of replay of this 'rebellion ',and those who are transexual have through, in part their own fault ,and part that of the satan lucifer ,who stalks the world looking for souls to devour, fallen into the horrible trap .It is usually through vanity ,intellectual mainly, that these souls end up there .It will be the fate of all who make the mistake of not knowing , that All of Creation is unfolding as God has planned ,that He is the scientist, the musician , the artist etc .
They will all be in hell together ,unless they beg to be released from this trap ,if it is not too late already .

Wow, anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and anti-transgender all in one post. Not going to lie, I'm impressed.

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