Traditional Marriage

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Actually it makes your claim that there is a singular definition of marriage wrong.

since there is no definition of marriage in scripture that says that something other than a union between a man and a woman is acceptable, I don't see how it's wrong.

really, this line of argumentation just needs to be dropped by gay advocates as it doesn't make room for what they're arguing for. you have to find a definition that positively allows for same sex unions and it's not there.

 

[SilverBear]

since there is no definition of marriage in scripture that says that something other than a union between a man and a woman is acceptable, I don't see how it's wrong.

by the same token the bible does not define marriage as exclusively between one man and one woman

really, this line of argumentation just needs to be dropped by gay advocates as it doesn't make room for what they're arguing for. you have to find a definition that positively allows for same sex unions and it's not there.

Christianity doesn't define marriage, it is a pan cultural concept existing in all religions and societies.

 

[Albion]

by the same token the bible does not define marriage as exclusively between one man and one woman

I don't think that's so. There are a number of references to a man taking a wife and of a man and a woman marrying, etc. See the following two, for example:

Genesis 2:24: "Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh."

Matthew 19:4-5: (Jesus speaking) "He answered, ‘Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?"

To assume that it doesn't close the door to "marrying" a member of one's own sex or a hamster or something else is a lame argument based on nothing, really.

 

[SilverBear]

I don't think that's so. There are a number of references to a man taking a wife and of a man and a woman marrying, etc. See the following two, for example:

Genesis 2:24: "Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh."

Matthew 19:4-5: (Jesus speaking) "He answered, ‘Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?"

To assume that it doesn't close the door to "marrying" a member of one's own sex or a hamster or something else is a lame argument based on nothing, really.

First: there are numerous biblical laws legitimizing polygamy and the forceful impregnation of your widowed sister in law (note that I am not advocating either activity) making the claim that marriage is exclusive to one man and one woman foundationless.

Second: This isn't an argument FOR anything, it is just pointing out the factual lapse in the claim that the bible defines marriage in a single way. This is faulty or lame argument that really needs to be set aside not just because it is factually questionable but because we live in a country that doesn't base it's legal recognition of marriage on any biblical standard.

 

[Albion]

First: there are numerous biblical laws legitimizing polygamy and the forceful impregnation of your widowed sister in law (note that I am not advocating either activity) making the claim that marriage is exclusive to one man and one woman foundationless.

These are all qualified in scripture, however, so we know that they were not considered normal.

Second: This isn't an argument FOR anything, it is just pointing out the factual lapse in the claim that the bible defines marriage in a single way.

Very well, but if that is your point, there still is no argument in favor of same sex marriage in it.

 

[Sammy-San]

These are all qualified in scripture, however, so we know that they were not considered normal.


Very well, but if that is your point, there still is no argument in favor of same sex marriage in it.

Do you think the concept of a legal contract between the same gender is not bibical?

 

[Ken-1122]

Very well, but if that is your point, there still is no argument in favor of same sex marriage in it.

I think the issue is, if the Bible doesn’t forbid it, neither should anyone else. There are a million things people do in the real world that is not promoted in scripture such as eating baked meats, or using trees to build a house, yet it would be considered absurd to claim we shouldn’t do these things simply because they aren’t actively promoted in the bible

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

by the same token the bible does not define marriage as exclusively between one man and one woman

you're attempting to backdoor the polygamy argument. it doesn't move the needle forward towards same sex marriage, plus it's done away with in the fact that Christ has one wife(the church) and that church ministers as a way of example for the entire church are instructed to have only one wife(1 timothy 3) amongst other qualities.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Christianity doesn't define marriage, it is a pan cultural concept existing in all religions and societies.

then it would seem you deny the authority of scripture over society(romans 13:1-7).

forceful impregnation of your widowed sister in law

how exactly does the fact that a man is to take a widowed woman as wife contradict the definition of marriage in genesis 2:24?

since you have yet to substantiate how these supposed different definitions contradict what genesis 2:24 says and haven't shown how homosexual marriage fits in to all this, i'd say the argument was rather affective.

 

[SilverBear]

you're attempting to backdoor the polygamy argument. it doesn't move the needle forward towards same sex marriage, plus it's done away with in the fact that Christ has one wife(the church) and that church ministers as a way of example for the entire church are instructed to have only one wife(1 timothy 3) amongst other qualities.

what par to of: "note that I am not advocating either activity" and "This isn't an argument FOR anything" was I unclear about?

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

what par to of: "note that I am not advocating either activity" and "This isn't an argument FOR anything" was I unclear about?

I've seen this line of argumentation too many times to not know where it ultimately leads..

 

[Albion]

Do you think the concept of a legal contract between the same gender is not bibical?

Legal contract?

 

[Albion]

I think the issue is, if the Bible doesn’t forbid it, neither should anyone else.

Possibly, but in this case we have the testimony of Scripture going against it, so it's not as though the Bible is silent on the subject.

 

[SilverBear]

I've seen this line of argumentation too many times to not know where it ultimately leads..

Then maybe you should look at your original point.

 

[SilverBear]

Possibly, but in this case we have the testimony of Scripture going against it, so it's not as though the Bible is silent on the subject.

Where exactly does the bible forbid same sex marriage?

 

[bhsmte]

What exactly is traditional marriage? 100 years ago, it likely meant; marrying someone of the same religion, same social class, same race and same ethnicity.

Is modern traditional marriage, simply marrying someone of the opposite gender?

 

[Albion]

What exactly is traditional marriage? 100 years ago, it likely meant; marrying someone of the same religion, same social class, same race and same ethnicity.

Is modern traditional marriage, simply marrying someone of the opposite gender?

Well, 100 years ago it did not mean just marrying someone of the same class, religion, and etc. There was more resistance to people marrying outside their own circle; but such marriages, when they did occur (and they certainly did), were considered to be real marriages.

 

[bhsmte]

Well, 100 years ago it did not mean just marrying someone of the same class, religion, and etc. There was more resistance to people marrying outside their own circle; but such marriages, when they did occur (and they certainly did), were considered to be real marriages.

Who determines what a "traditionall" marriage is? Who determines what a "real" marriage is?

 

[Ken-1122]

Possibly, but in this case we have the testimony of Scripture going against it, so it's not as though the Bible is silent on the subject.

What scripture goes against it?

Ken

 

[bhsmte]

Well, 100 years ago it did not mean just marrying someone of the same class, religion, and etc. There was more resistance to people marrying outside their own circle; but such marriages, when they did occur (and they certainly did), were considered to be real marriages.

Can you address post 845 please.