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[Iollain]

Iollian , .. thank you for letting me know where you got it . .

Are you aware that this is not a "Catholic" site and there is nothing official at that site? Are you aware that they follow an ANTI-Pope? Are you aware that the Catholic Church does not endorse ANYTHING at that site?

You are reading what a group who has divorced themselves from the Catholic Church and have gone off in their own direction are claiming and teaching. . ..



Peace

Nope i was not aware that they were not Catholic.

here is another site with St Dominic and the demons:

http://www.circleofprayer.com/secret37.html

 

[daveleau]

Mesue:
Two references on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01582a.htm

 

[ZiSunka]

Iollian , .. thank you for letting me know where you got it . .

Are you aware that this is not a "Catholic" site and there is nothing official at that site? Are you aware that they follow an ANTI-Pope? Are you aware that the Catholic Church does not endorse ANYTHING at that site?

You are reading what a group who has divorced themselves from the Catholic Church and have gone off in their own direction are claiming and teaching. . ..



Peace

Gee, Therese, you won't answer the question and when someone else does, you pick their answer apart.

We'd still all love you hear your answer, if you've got one.

 

[Iollain]

http://www.catholicfirst.com/thefaith/prayers/holyrosary.cfm#Saint Dominic

same thing about blessing a rosary here

 

[ZiSunka]

The Indulgences of the Rosary

When you get a new Rosary, you should have it blessed (if a priest is available). The Popes have loved the Rosary very much. So they gave priests power to bless the Rosary, and when they do, each bead carries with it an Indulgence. This Indulgence is the remission of the temporal punishment we must suffer for our sins either on earth or in Purgatory. There are various kinds of Rosary blessings and each has a different kind of Indulgence. One blessing is called the Dominican, for the great Saint Dominic who received the Rosary from Mary. Another is called the Apostolic. This is the blessing of the Pope. Another is called the Crosier, which makes us think of the cross on the Rosary.

A Sure Sign of Predestination


Pope Pius X said: "If you want peace in your heart, in your home, in your country, assemble together every night and say the ROSARY. Many complain that it is tiring repetition – that they cannot meditate on the mysteries. Our Blessed Mother gave this advice to St. Dominic: "This is why, before doing anything else, priests should try to kindle a love of prayer in people’s hearts and especially a love of my rosary. If only they would all start saying it and persevere, God, in His mercy, could hardly refuse to give them His grace. So I want you to preach My Rosary!"

Oh, so that's where grace comes from!

 

[thereselittleflower]

Gee, Therese, you won't answer the question and when someone else does, you pick their answer apart.

We'd still all love you hear your answer, if you've got one.

You provided an "answer" from a non-Catholic site . . and you expected me to not point out that it came from a non-Catholic site?

It really is up to you where you want to get your information from . . .



Peace

 

[ZiSunka]

You provided an "answer" from a non-Catholic site . . and you expected me to not point out that it came from a non-Catholic site?

It really is up to you where you want to get your information from . . .



Peace

actually, I copied and pasted that from catholic.com and found identical verbage on newadvent.com.

 

[Iollain]

I didn't know there was people who had their own pope! lol

 

[thereselittleflower]

lambsglove . . if you would like me to comment on what you are posting about the beads, blessings and indulgences, perhaps you could provide something from the current list of indulgences that demonstrates that each bead carries with it an indulgence. If you can do that, I would be happy to research this further and help those who are interested understand what we mean by this . . . right now, unless the Church has stated that the rosary beads are indulgenced in that manner, discussion about this is superfluous. I don't know where to find that at the momment and am running out the door, so you will have to look yourself for now.

Also, what you are presenting above is obviously written for a young child and is oversimplistic.





Peace

 

[ZiSunka]

lambsglove . . if you would like me to comment on what you are posting about the beads, blessings and indulgences, perhaps you could provide something from the current list of indulgences that demonstrates that each bead carries with it an indulgence. If you can do that, I would be happy to research this further and help those who are interested understand what we mean by this . . . right now, unless the Church has stated that the rosary beads are indulgenced in that manner, discussion about this is superfluous. I don't know where to find that at the momment and am running out the door, so you will have to look yourself for now.

Also, what you are presenting above is obviously written for a young child and is oversimplistic.


Peace

Sweetie, the name is lamb's love not lamb's glove.

And I don't know anything about a list of indulgences, but I do have the little rosary booklet I picked up at the Miami County (ohio) fair from the roman catholic booth and it says the same exact thing about having rosaries blessed and getting indulgences. If you can tell me what a list of indulgences is, maybe I can look it up for you. But are you saying that catholic.com and newadvent.com are misquoting doctrine? They are websites officially run and sanctioned by the catholic church.

As for the comment about it being presented for a child, there's no shame in being child-like, is there? Didn't Christ say we have to have a child-like faith in order to gain the kingdom of heaven?

 

[Iollain]

I see this 'other pope dude' is mad because 'there is no salvation outside the RCC' and John Paul II said there is, i think is was him anyways.

http://www.truecatholic.org/pope/encyc-ecclesia.htm

 

[Terri]

I didn't know there was people who had their own pope! lol

Well, I guess that "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" or "two can play at that game."

And, I like your new name LG (lambsglove!)

 

[ZiSunka]

The catholic encyclopedia says that use of the rosary confers a "real" indulgence, while having rosaries blessed by the pope confers another "real" indulgence. Saying the rosary makes an indulgence, and owning a rosary blessed by the pope makes another indulgence.

 

[Terri]

Thanks for all of the info guys.

I didn't know the beads had indulgences associated with them!

I thought that the indulgence stuff had been done away with.

 

[ZiSunka]

Gosh, no, there is a big list of indulgences, one of which is visiting the studios of EWTN (catholic cable tv network) during 2005.

 

[Bulldog]

I thought that the indulgence stuff had been done away with.[/b][/color]

Actually, the Catholic Church Catechsim has quite a bit on indulgences.

 

[ZiSunka]

The indulgences on the rosary are partial indulgences, meaning they only remit part of the sin, as opposed to plenary, which remits the whole sin. Here is the explanation from Catholic Encyclopedia:

An indulgence that may be gained in any part of the world is universal, while one that can be gained only in a specified place (Rome, Jerusalem, etc.) is local. A further distinction is that between perpetual indulgences,which may be gained at any time, and temporary,which are available on certain days only, or within certain periods. Real indulgences are attached to the use of certain objects (crucifix, rosary, medal); personal are those which do not require the use of any such material thing, or which are granted only to a certain class of individuals, e.g. members of an order or confraternity. The most important distinction, however, is that between plenary indulgences and partial. By a plenary indulgence is meant the remission of the entire temporal punishment due to sin so that no further expiation is required in Purgatory. A partial indulgence commutes only a certain portion of the penalty; and this portion is determined in accordance with the penitential discipline of the early Church.

 

[Iollain]

Isn't that an Aerosmith song

No the Aerosmith song is 'Dude Looks Like a Lady' lol

 

[thereselittleflower]

actually, I copied and pasted that from catholic.com and found identical verbage on newadvent.com.

Could you post the link from New Advent about the rosary beads? Thanks.



Peace

 

[thereselittleflower]

The indulgences on the rosary are partial indulgences, meaning they only remit part of the sin, as opposed to plenary, which remits the whole sin. Here is the explanation from Catholic Encyclopedia:

Hi lambslove

May I offer a correction?

Indulgences do not remit any sin. Only temporal punishments due to sins already forgiven. They do not remit eternal punishments of unforgiven sin.

An indulgence that may be gained in any part of the world is universal, while one that can be gained only in a specified place (Rome, Jerusalem, etc.) is local. A further distinction is that between perpetual indulgences,which may be gained at any time, and temporary,which are available on certain days only, or within certain periods. Real indulgences are attached to the use of certain objects (crucifix, rosary, medal); personal are those which do not require the use of any such material thing, or which are granted only to a certain class of individuals, e.g. members of an order or confraternity. The most important distinction, however, is that between plenary indulgences and partial. By a plenary indulgence is meant the remission of the entire temporal punishment due to sin so that no further expiation is required in Purgatory. A partial indulgence commutes only a certain portion of the penalty; and this portion is determined in accordance with the penitential discipline of the early Church.

I highlighted this in the quote above for you so it was more apparent.

If indulgences did what you are claiming, then the eternal punishment (hell) would be remitted . . .this is the same as forgiving sins. . . . Indulgences have no power to do this.

I hope this helps to clarify the issue a little more.



Peace