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[Paradoxum]

Yes I do.

Because unfortunately, there are a ton of ignorant and narrow-minded people who vote in this country. Part of the reason we need to improve public education in America. We have a gullible and easily mislead populace that is largely unaware of our political system (and how bad it really is) and for the most part, they don't care about it. They'd rather watch Basketball Wives or the VMA's or something like that.

I don't see why some of America is so weird though. I doubt its education is that different from Europe.

Trump is popular because he isn't afraid to say what is really on many American's minds. Real politicians with actual political careers at stake wouldn't dare be so bold because they need to look to the next election. Trump doesn't have this problem and so, he has free reign. After this election is over and he isn't president, he'll just go right back to being Donald Trump, the billionaire. So why should he care what he says or who he offends? It's no hair off his head.

I don't get why people would think that most immigrants are criminals though, etc.

The sad thing is that our media is the way it is by choice. If you present the facts in a clear and objective way, no one pays attention. When you present opinions representative of an audience and take shots at any opposing views...those who agree will tune in time and time again.

Which is strange, because in the UK I think the main news is the BBC, which doesn't take political sides.

Trump's temporary popularity, has more to do that he is bashing all of Washington, than anything else.

People in general, are somewhat fed up with Washington and politicians in general.

But still, liking such a crazy guy it strange to me. I can't help but think bad of such people.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Which is strange, because in the UK I think the main news is the BBC, which doesn't take political sides.

It's an effect of our putting capitalism on a pedestal. T.V. panders to the lowest common denominator...news included. I try to catch the BBC when I want to see something without any US style spin on it.

 

[Paradoxum]

It's an effect of our putting capitalism on a pedestal. T.V. panders to the lowest common denominator...news included. I try to catch the BBC when I want to see something without any US style spin on it.

Ironically government paid (but independent) news can be more objective than market based news.

It's sad how money bring corruption.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Ironically government paid (but independent) news can be more objective than market based news.

It's sad how money bring corruption.

It's like that with a lot of things for us...healthcare for example. The uneducated cling to the idea that everything is better with less government involved...it's a mantra repeated to them so many times (ironically by their government representatives) they don't even question it.

 

[Paradoxum]

It's like that with a lot of things for us...healthcare for example. The uneducated cling to the idea that everything is better with less government involved...it's a mantra repeated to them so many times (ironically by their government representatives) they don't even question it.

I'd think the uneducated are most benefited by the government.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'd think the uneducated are most benefited by the government.

They should be...but maybe you have something of an answer to your thread in my last post.

Trump is seen as an outsider. He's not of the government. He's a "regular guy" who occasionally puts his foot in his mouth like the rest of us. He isn't a product of our political system.

So he's more relatable than the politicians. Forget the fact that he'll get no support from our representatives. Forget the fact that he was born into the upper crust of our society and has a history of squashing anyone poorer than himself with his wealth. He's running as "one of us" and for some reason a large segment of our society thinks this is good.

Personally, I want someone smarter than me...who understands the ins and outs of politics...who's goals are realistic. Trumps' plans are the plans of a child...they're literally infantile. I remember hearing his plan for dealing with ISIS...it's along the lines of "just encircle them and then close the circle". It's pathetic...but it's not far from the ideas of many Americans who have no idea the complexities of such problems. He's given them little thought, and like many Americans who've achieved some success in life, he looks at Washington and thinks he can do better with ease.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I don't see why some of America is so weird though. I doubt its education is that different from Europe.

Well our education is centered mostly around America and largely ignores the rest of the world because when you're exceptional, no one else's opinion really matters. But that's a generalization and many schools have great teachers who really do the best they can with a population that is mostly anti-intellectual. Just look at our movies and tv shows.... Geeks and nerds get beat up and made fun of while the idiot jocks and class clowns are the cool kids. There's is definitely a real stigma against being smart in our society. Probably because most people are pretty stupid compared to the rest of the developed world and they feel threatened by it.

I don't know how education is in Europe but like most things over there, I imagine it is done better than it is here.

But still, liking such a crazy guy it strange to me. I can't help but think bad of such people.

I feel the same way. I really don't see how anybody can take Trump seriously. I see why they agree with him but why on earth would they think that he is in this race for them or even for the country. There is one person Donald Trump cares about and that is Donald Trump. Everyone else comes in third to him.

 

[SinnerInTheHands]

Knowing some people hold different views than you doesn't mean those views aren't ignorant and narrow-minded.

So you don't think Trump is ignorant and narrow-minded?

Nope.

 

[Albion]

I'm referring specifically to ignorant and narrow minded comments some of you seem to believe Trump never said. It's only because you agree with him that you give him a pass on his ignorance.

I think you are too willing to believe whatever the radical press tells you to think was said, as opposed to what actually WAS said.

As for calling everyone "ignorant" all the time, I just take that routine as something that people who feel the need to boost their own egos like and need to do. It doesn't mean anything otherwise.

 

[Albion]

When you don't have much to offer, you gotta start throwing stuff at the walls to see what sticks.

None of your stuff is sticking.

 

[Albion]

Knowing some people hold different views than you doesn't mean those views aren't ignorant and narrow-minded.

More important, people are not "ignorant and narrow-minded" just for disagreeing with someone else's political biases.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Why do so many people support such an ignorant and narrow-minded guy?

Because Trump...

...pretty much has the appeal of...

Trump pretty much is Grumpy Cat.

He expresses the frustrations and negativity of his supporters. They keep on saying that "he only speaks the truth!" However, the reality is just that he speaks whatever is on their minds but is not polite enough to express to others. They like him, not because he is careful to research the facts and arrive at true conclusions, but because he expresses their fears.

Trump is a demagogue.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Skaloop]

Ignorant in what way though? Because he doesnt seem too ignorant in finances, and the country could really use a hand in that particular area of things.

This line of defense of Trump bugs me the most. He's not an expert in finance, he's an expert in business. Being a real estate mogul and such does not necessarily equate to the fiscal world of national politics. There's nothing to suggest that Trump would be able to do much in regards to the economy.

 

[Eudaimonist]

This line of defense of Trump bugs me the most. He's not an expert in finance, he's an expert in business. Being a real estate mogul and such does not necessarily equate to the fiscal world of national politics. There's nothing to suggest that Trump would be able to do much in regards to the economy.

Yes, that had bugged me about Ross Perot supporters. Same problem.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Albion]

This line of defense of Trump bugs me the most. He's not an expert in finance, he's an expert in business. Being a real estate mogul and such does not necessarily equate to the fiscal world of national politics. There's nothing to suggest that Trump would be able to do much in regards to the economy.

Whoa. International trade and business acumen are very much at the heart of the problem we're having as a nation. Besides, it's well known that every President surrounds himself with advisors. Do you think that Obama was a born expert on everything, or do you think he had a basic perspective, some knowledge of public affairs...and then filled all his advisory and administrative positions with people who WERE the experts? Same with Trump or Hillary or any of the rest of them.

 

[Fireinfolding]

This line of defense of Trump bugs me the most. He's not an expert in finance, he's an expert in business. Being a real estate mogul and such does not necessarily equate to the fiscal world of national politics. There's nothing to suggest that Trump would be able to do much in regards to the economy.

Its called making "a particular line of defense" for the man (Trump) in asking in what way someone means he is ignorant? And on what specific basis is this ignorance applied to him because it cant be on finances?

Ronald Reagan was an actor but made a great president (at least to a lot of people) and there was nothing much to suggest he could do more then act. In contrast there is plenty to suggest Trump knows something about finances and running businesses. What is to suggest that anyone who has been in and has been groomed into politics knew anything either? Its not like any one of them makes things better, it keeps growing worse under folks who supposedly have wisdom in these matters, they havent demonstrated they know much of anything at all.

And besides, America is a big lump of divided pieces of real estate

 

[Skaloop]

Whoa. International trade and business acumen are very much at the heart of the problem we're having as a nation. Besides, it's well known that every President surrounds himself with advisors. Do you think that Obama was a born expert on everything, or do you think he had a basic perspective, some knowledge of public affairs...and then filled all his advisory and administrative positions with people who WERE the experts? Same with Trump or Hillary or any of the rest of them.

Sure, yeah, advisors are important. I take issue with the idea that because Trump has been successful in his private business that it automatically translates to him being successful in politics. And since international trade and business are only a small portion of political acumen, and Trump has little to offer on other facets of the presidency, I don't see how that should be the determining factor.

 

[Skaloop]

Its called "a particular line of defense" for the man (Trump) in asking in what way another means he is ignorant and on what specific basis is this ignorance applied to him because it cant really be on finances?

Ronald Reagan was an actor but and made a great president (at least to a lot of people) and there was nothing much to suggest he could do more then act. In contrast there is plenty to suggest Trump knows something about finances and running businesses. Whats to suggest anyone that has been in having been groomed into politics knew anything either? Its not like any one of them makes it better, it keeps growing worse under folks who supposedly have wisdom in these matters, they havent demonstrated they know much of anything at all.

And besides, America is a big lump of divided pieces of real estate

A country is not a business. The federal budget is not just a matter of finance.

 

[Fireinfolding]

A country is not a business. The federal budget is not just a matter of finance.

Who said the UNITED STATES is a corporation in this particular conversation?

An ACTOR could do a better job (having no other experience) then another bought and sold politician.

In the area of business and budgeting is where the plus is (as we approach the point of no return)

Its nothing like repeating the insanity. What is so bad about repeating going outside of that norm again as was done with Reagan? But this time with someone who knows less about how to act, perhaps just as much about politics but a heck of a lot more about the finance end of things (where we are ready to topple).

For sake of argument, and its not genuine because I seriously dont believe Trump can help the U.S anyway because it would mean I actually believe the presidents have any power in that position anymore beyond a certain allowable point.

Presidents arent alone as was pointed out they have a team of advisers and who better to sift through and weigh out those things presented? To me it just makes sense to have some of the strongest in the area we are the weakest (in respects to an economy at all) and put someone in that place of things before another great depression.

 

[Reep]

It's like that with a lot of things for us...healthcare for example. The uneducated cling to the idea that everything is better with less government involved...it's a mantra repeated to them so many times (ironically by their government representatives) they don't even question it.

Of course because clearly you must be educated to have the government dictate and run everything :/ Curse those uneducated people for not wanting the government involved in their day-to-day lives.