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[jgr]

I am not going to go back and dig the cases up. But you have done this several times.

I challenge you to produce a single instance.

 

[BABerean2]

Your "spiritual Israel" is a fiction COMPLETELY missing from scripture. You cannot quote even one scripture that says any such thing.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.



Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.



Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.


Now we know why you can never supply anything from your books about the New Covenant.
If it reveals the error of your Two Peoples of God doctrine, it does not exist in your mind.

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.



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[Biblewriter]

If you remove the unbelievers (Romans 11) only spiritual (believing) Israel remains.

STILL, it exists ONLY in your INTERPRETATION. NO scripture says it.,

 

[Biblewriter]

I challenge you to produce a single instance.

I am not going to bother. I know you did it.

 

[Dave L]

STILL, it exists ONLY in your INTERPRETATION. NO scripture says it.,

Romans 11 says it.

 

[Biblewriter]

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.



Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.



Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.


Now we know why you can never supply anything from your books about the New Covenant.
If it reveals the error of your Two Peoples of God doctrine, it does not exist in your mind.

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.



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And not a single one of these scriptures even mentions the idea of a "spiritual Israel."

 

[Biblewriter]

Romans 11 says it.

No, Romans 11 ONLY says things YOU INTERPRET to mean that.
But it does say that unbelieving Israel, though "enemies for the sake of the gospel," are still "beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and calling of God are IRREVOCABLE."

 

[Dave L]

No, Romans 11 ONLY says things YOU INTERPRET to mean that.
But it does say that unbelieving Israel, though "enemies for the sake of the gospel," are still "beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and calling of God are IRREVOCABLE."

“For all the promises of God in him [Jesus] are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” 2 Corinthians 1:20 (KJV 1900)

 

[jgr]

I am not going to bother. I know you did it.

Another dispensational delusion.

 

[jgr]

No, Romans 11 ONLY says things YOU INTERPRET to mean that.
But it does say that unbelieving Israel, though "enemies for the sake of the gospel," are still "beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and calling of God are IRREVOCABLE."

The gifts and the calling are terms associated exclusively with those who have put their faith in Christ: His Church.

Upon whom does God bestow His gifts?

Romans 12:6
Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

1 Corinthians 12:1
Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

1 Corinthians 12:4
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:9
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

1 Corinthians 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:12
Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

God's gifts were not, and are not, bestowed upon those of Paul's countrymen according to the flesh who are enemies of the gospel.
They are bestowed exclusively upon God's "all Israel" remnant of His Holy Chosen People: His Church.
To them, and to no others, His gifts are irrevocable.


To whom is God's calling directed?

1 Corinthians 1:26
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

1 Corinthians 7:20
Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

Ephesians 1:18
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

2 Thessalonians 1:11
Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:

2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:


God's calling was not, and is not, directed to those of Paul's countrymen according to the flesh who are enemies of the gospel.
It is directed exclusively to God's "all Israel" remnant of His Holy Chosen People: His Church.
To them, and to no others, His calling is irrevocable.

Under no conditions or circumstances can unbelievers, enemies of the gospel, ever be the recipients of God's gifts and calling.

 

[Biblewriter]

The gifts and the calling are terms associated exclusively with those who have put their faith in Christ: His Church.

Upon whom does God bestow His gifts?

Romans 12:6
Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

1 Corinthians 12:1
Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

1 Corinthians 12:4
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:9
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

1 Corinthians 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:12
Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

God's gifts were not, and are not, bestowed upon those of Paul's countrymen according to the flesh who are enemies of the gospel.
They are bestowed exclusively upon God's "all Israel" remnant of His Holy Chosen People: His Church.
To them, and to no others, His gifts are irrevocable.


To whom is God's calling directed?

1 Corinthians 1:26
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

1 Corinthians 7:20
Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

Ephesians 1:18
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

2 Thessalonians 1:11
Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:

2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:


God's calling was not, and is not, directed to those of Paul's countrymen according to the flesh who are enemies of the gospel.
It is directed exclusively to God's "all Israel" remnant of His Holy Chosen People: His Church.
To them, and to no others, His calling is irrevocable.

Under no conditions or circumstances can unbelievers, enemies of the gospel, ever be the recipients of God's gifts and calling.

Your answer is a blatant denial of what the passage I quoted EXPLICITLY says. For it EXPLICITLY says that those Israelites that “concerning the gospel are enemies” are yet “beloved.” And why? “For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.”

So this passage EXPLICITLY says that these unbelieving Jews still have an irrevocable calling.

 

[jgr]

Your answer is a blatant denial of what the passage I quoted EXPLICITLY says. For it EXPLICITLY says that those Israelites that “concerning the gospel are enemies” are yet “beloved.” And why? “For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.”

So this passage EXPLICITLY says that these unbelieving Jews still have an irrevocable calling.

Your malinterpretation of Romans 11:28 is an EXPLICIT DENIAL of the numerous Scriptures I've cited which clarify the meanings and applications of Paul's declarations.

More dispensational delusions.

 

[Biblewriter]

Your malinterpretation of Romans 11:28 is an EXPLICIT DENIAL of the numerous Scriptures I've cited which clarify the meanings and applications of Paul's declarations.

More dispensational delusions.

I did not give you an INTERPRETATION of this passage. I pointed out what it EXPLICITLY says.

 

[jgr]

I did not give you an INTERPRETATION of this passage. I pointed out what it EXPLICITLY says.

And I pointed out numerous Scriptures which EXPLICITLY INTERPRET Romans 11:28.

 

[Biblewriter]

And I pointed out numerous Scriptures which EXPLICITLY INTERPRET Romans 11:28.

No, not even one of these scriptures even addresses Romans 11:28. They are ALL about a different subject.

 

[jgr]

No, not even one of these scriptures even addresses Romans 11:28. They are ALL about a different subject.

They are all about the gifts and calling (Romans 11:29) which are bestowed irrevocably upon the beloved election of Romans 11:28 -- the Church.

 

[Biblewriter]

They are all about the gifts and calling (Romans 11:29) which are bestowed irrevocably upon the beloved election of Romans 11:28 -- the Church.

Except the beloved election explicitly named in Romans 11:28 is unbelieving Israel. You are trying to change what it EXPLICITLY says.

 

[jgr]

Except the beloved election explicitly named in Romans 11:28 is unbelieving Israel. You are trying to change what it EXPLICITLY says.

There are two different groups of "they"; the enemies of the gospel, and the beloved election.

The Scriptures I've cited make it plain that God's irrevocable gifts and calling are bestowed only upon God's beloved election -- His Church.

Or don't you believe that Scripture interprets Scripture?

 

[Biblewriter]

There are two different groups of "they"; the enemies of the gospel, and the beloved election.

The Scriptures I've cited make it plain that God's irrevocable gifts and calling are bestowed only upon God's beloved election -- His Church.

Or don't you believe that Scripture interprets Scripture?

Certainly scripture interprets scripture. But an interpretation of one scripture is NEVER an excuse to deny the EXPLICIT statement of another scripture. But this is exactly what you are trying to do.

 

[jgr]

Certainly scripture interprets scripture. But an interpretation of one scripture is NEVER an excuse to deny the EXPLICIT statement of another scripture. But this is exactly what you are trying to do.

I've supplied numerous Scriptures that repudiate your malinterpretation.

If you can cite even one other Scripture that even remotely hints that enemies of the gospel are included in the beloved election, please do so.

Awaiting.