Actually, you are mistaken. He didn't say that at all.But Jesus said that no one goes to heaven, except for the One who came from there. John 3:13
if you read the new covenant promised in Jer 31 and match it up with Jesus day indeed we can agree that the old covenant is no more and the new one Jesus made in His blood is established. With this in agreement I can point to the error where you are taking the wrong fork in the road. Jer 31 says the new covenant is replacing the one made with Israel when they were taken from Egypt. The covenant with Abraham for the land was unconditional covenant and the one with Moses was conditional. Jer 31 states in it the Israel will never cease to be a nation in Gods eyes as long as the sun and moon endure. That is followed up by God declaringOnce a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
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Satan is bound when the LORD comes and not bound until after the battle of Armageddon. The two witnesses need to arrive and this one who was the beast needs to have a false prophet rise up along side of him. In every account of the the 2nd coming Jerusalem is being overrun and the then the LORD comes and saves and that is the onset of the kingdom. If Satan is bound why is the world acting as it is? Where is the everlasting righteousness and the rod of iron that Jesus is to rule with? He certainly won't need a rod of iron when the new Jerusalem comes as it will be inhabited only by those who have no more a corrupt nature.I'm post-mil. I am such because the great commission makes no sense but for Christ returning victorious over sin and death, which Revelations clearly teaches. That and it's pretty clear that Satan is bound in Rev. 20 and that 1000 years isn't literal. It merely means a long timer period.
if you read the new covenant promised in Jer 31 and match it up with Jesus day indeed we can agree that the old covenant is no more and the new one Jesus made in His blood is established. With this in agreement I can point to the error where you are taking the wrong fork in the road. Jer 31 says the new covenant is replacing the one made with Israel when they were taken from Egypt. The covenant with Abraham for the land was unconditional covenant and the one with Moses was conditional. Jer 31 states in it the Israel will never cease to be a nation in Gods eyes as long as the sun and moon endure. That is followed up by God declaring
37 Thus says the LORD:
“If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the LORD. The heavens cannot be measured so the LORD is saying He will not cast off Israel for all they have done.
There is no mistake that the LORD in prophecy understood that Israel would reject Jesus and He would be the sacrifice for all mankind. God also knew that 70 AD was around the corner and the it would appear Israel had ceased to be a nation. There is an obvious purpose to placing these statements in this exact place in scripture. This idea that they will still be a nation is followed up by a prophecy of the city Jerusalem being rebuilt again after a time when the dead bodies are all around and it will not be thrown down ever again.
38 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, that the city shall be built for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39 The surveyor’s line shall again extend straight forward over the hill Gareb; then it shall turn toward Goath. 40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the Brook Kidron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, shall be holy to the LORD. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down anymore forever.” The context of this chapter destroys the notion that the church is now Israel in prophecy. The thing you have right is those who are born again are spiritual Israel and at the end of the 1000 years it will truly be only spiritual Israel that enters the new Jerusalem.
If you were correct about the land promise to Israel, the passage below would not be in the Bible.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Paul does not try to disconnect faithful Israel from the Church, in the passage below.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
James did not try to disconnect faithful Israel from the Church in the passage below.
Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
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the Jews certainly did miss out on the promises in that day. there are hundreds of promises remaining to be fulfilled. Ezekiel 36-38 Isaiah 61 many many more show the same nation who missed out and were scattered do indeed receive the promises. Where it is was said you are not my people you shall be called sons of the living God.
This is accomplished at the 2nd coming when the LORD comes and delivers Israel this is described in Dan 7, Zech 14 and Rev. all of them have this deliverance at the 2nd coming and from that time on life continues and Israel is given the new heart promised in many other places.
Dave, are you saying that the pre-trib view is false because it mandates a pre-trib (70th week) timing?It's a false doctrine. But published making it a fact the top dogs propagated it.
Because NT scripture places the rapture on the last day after the resurrection.Dave, are you saying that the pre-trib view is false because it mandates a pre-trib (70th week) timing?
Or because you think a pre-trib (70th week) rapture is not possible at all?
Scripture is clear, ethnicity has nothing to do with who is a child of God. Ephesians 2:11-18, Romans 1:29Your main problem is in determining who Israel is. If God removed the unbelievers from Israel in Romans 11, into whom are those who later accept Christ (believe) reattached to if they are Israel?
So in your view, there will be only one resurrection of the dead?
Including this one? Post Trib, Pre Wrath?There is only one bodily resurrection and judgment of the dead found in John 5:27-30, and 2 Timothy 4:1.
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Including this one? Post Trib, Pre Wrath?
Revelation 11:11 And after the three days and half days, a breath of life out of the God entered in them and they stand upon their feet and great fear falls upon the ones observing them. 12 And they hear a Voice great out of the Heaven saying to them "ascend ye here!" And they ascended into the heaven in the cloud....
Both the wicked and the righteous on the last day in the second resurrection. The first resurrection happens as a result of the New Birth that places believers in Heaven when they die.So in your view, there will be only one resurrection of the dead?
Of those two resurrections, when does the 1Thessalonians4:13-18 resurrection/catching up of the living take place?Both the wicked and the righteous on the last day in the second resurrection. The first resurrection happens as a result of the New Birth that places believers in Heaven when they die.
What about all the other verses in the new testament regarding resurrections and changing of the living? How do those prove only one bodily resurrection?There is only one bodily resurrection and judgment of the dead found in John 5:27-30, and 2 Timothy 4:1.
What about all the other verses in the new testament regarding resurrections and changing of the living? How do those prove only one bodily resurrection?
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