Tolerant or Respect

[Arthra]

Hannah wrote:

Anyway it was of the editorial view that we can tolerate a religion but not necessarily respect that religion. Or not necessarily respect parts of that religion.

My comment:

Not having seen the editorial it would seem to me that "tolerance" can be a very negative word... You may "tolerate" someone you dislike intensely or are opposed to....The word derives from Latin "toleratus", past participle of tolerare to endure, put up with...

Additionally, "not" respecting a religion or part of it sounds to me to be very hostile and condescending to others and could condone attacks and in showing "disrespect." So this doesn't impress me one iota.

Unless human life is threatened I think there needs to be a recognition of freedom of belief and respect to other religions.

-Art

 

[Wr4ith]

I respect all religions exept those that charge for spiritual advancement(such as The Church of Scientology.. the believe of Scientologists should be respected though).

I believe that no one knows better than anyone else. No one can KNOW that their view of reality is true. So no one has any right to say anothers view of reality is false.

 

[TricksterWolf]

Hannah wrote:

Anyway it was of the editorial view that we can tolerate a religion but not necessarily respect that religion. Or not necessarily respect parts of that religion.

My comment:

Not having seen the editorial it would seem to me that "tolerance" can be a very negative word... You may "tolerate" someone you dislike intensely or are opposed to....The word derives from Latin "toleratus", past participle of tolerare to endure, put up with...

Additionally, "not" respecting a religion or part of it sounds to me to be very hostile and condescending to others and could condone attacks and in showing "disrespect." So this doesn't impress me one iota.

Unless human life is threatened I think there needs to be a recognition of freedom of belief and respect to other religions.

-Art

There's something called the Riddle Homophobia Scale that is an extremely useful tool in studying views on any core aspect of a person's identity, not just homosexuality. It identifies eight levels, in order: Repulsion, Pity, Tolerance, Acceptance, Support, Admiration, Appreciation, and Nurturance.

The interesting thing is that the first four are called "negative" levels. "Tolerance" implies there's something negative that you're "tolerating", while "Acceptance" implies that there's something you have to learn to "accept"--so these are both still on the negative side, where you don't like or agree with the value.

I think Acceptance is probably the most that can be expected from someone who sees (blank) as corrupt and sinful, which many Christians seem to do with other religions. I think it's the minimal level we should strive to attain. It's interesting to see the number of fundamentalist organizations decrying a "culture of tolerance" toward other religions and personal choices, though. Some people have a personal stake in pushing their flock back toward Repulsion.

Then again, having dealt with Repulsion toward myself in the past, sometimes I'd settle for Pity...

Trickster

 

[TricksterWolf]

I respect all religions exept those that charge for spiritual advancement(such as The Church of Scientology.. the believe of Scientologists should be respected though).

I believe that no one knows better than anyone else. No one can KNOW that their view of reality is true. So no one has any right to say anothers view of reality is false.

There are Scientologists not associated with the C of S that do not charge for "clearing". I have a problem with the price tag on Scientology that the C of S places, as well. If you're therapy, you need to have reasonable prices and do pro bono work for people in need who can't afford your services; if you're a religion, you should help others for free in any case. There's no justification for turning the poor away or inhibiting their advancement through your organization.

Trickster

 

[Cassiopeia]

I have come to understand in my life that there is a difference between respect and being respectful. I will always be respectful in my actions to the individual but I don't always respect what they believe. However, everyone is entitled to their own path, their own beliefs.

My tolerance comes to an end when I see people hurting one another in the name of religion. THEN and only then will I stand to fight with them. However, I will always do my best to be respectful while doing that.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Tolerance is something that is taught from the pulpits- not from God. The scriptures are anti religious and by being INTOLERANT, one earns Gods praise. This is what the problem is. We have become so concerned with hurting someones feelings or stepping on their ego, that we have managed to tolerate all manner of evil.
Clergy have told us that “tolerance” is a “Christian virtue” yet, according to God, intolerance is preferable—even praiseworthy. We chose ignorance over knowing, tolerance over repudiation, accommodation over condemnation, apathy over engagement. We have allowed this to happen by falling asleep on the job( luke warm-vomit). Throughout scripture, we are called to "elegcho". That is the exact opposite of tolerance.

His message is crystal clear. What makes Him happy is dutifully recorded as clear as words allow.
There is ONE God. One message. One plan of redemption. One path to get there, and One Savior. Promoting anything else would be accepting, advancing, and lifting up something other than His Word.

Had the messengers of God been tolerant in the past, we would all be without His light.
Since when is it compassionate to tolerant evil?
No, people, we are not called to be tolerant. We are to be informed first, and then engage the deceivers with extreme harshness and testing. We are to expose their errors in humiliating fashion. exposing and revealing that which is wrong, disprove the errant idea in a way that shames the false teachers; detect error, demonstrate what is false and manifest the evidence so as to repudiate and condemn, judge and find fault; rebuke, admonish, chastise, and correct. Look up the meaning for yourself.

This is vividly portrayed in 2 Timothy 4:2 but as I mentioned earlier, scripture is riddled with this simple truth. Here are a few more
Matthew 18:15; John 3:20; 16:8; Ephesians 5:11; 1 Timothy 5:20; 2 Timothy 4:2; Titus 1:9; Hebrews 12:5; James 2:9; Jude 15; Revelation 3:19; John 8:9; and Jude 22-3.

Elegcho is even the essence of the third commandment. Had the Church left it the way God wrote it with His own finger, maybe we would all know what it says.

“You shall not nasa (lift up, accept, advance, bear, tolerate, respect, regard, yield to, or pardon) the shem (position, individual nature, designation, honor, authority, character, mark, fame, name, prominence, reputation, and report) of Yahuweh your elohiym (Supreme and Mighty One, Deity) in a destructive, evil, beguiling, false, ruinous, idolatrous, harmful, devastating, desolating , wasteful, immoral, deceptive, or dishonest) way. For Yahuweh will not naqah (cleanse him, bare him, exonerate him, acquit him, hold him blameless, or leave him unpunished) who nasa (lifts up, accepts, advances, bears, tolerates, or pardons) His shem (position, individual nature, designation, honor, authority, character, mark, fame, name, prominence, reputation, and report) being used in shav (a destructive, evil, devastating, desolate, wasteful, beguiling, immoral, idolatrous, false, deceptive, or dishonest) way.”

 

[Wr4ith]

There is ONE God. One message. One plan of redemption. One path to get there, and One Savior. Promoting anything else would be accepting, advancing, and lifting up something other than His Word.

The problem with that statement is that you have absolutely no conclusive proof whatsoever and it is only true to you(and offcourse many others). That does not mean it is universally set because you cannot proof it is. So unless you can PROOF that your 'one path' is truely the only path you have no right saying that you should be intollerant of other people's religions.

Now here's the funny part, do you think I'm being intollerant towards YahwehisHisname?


Yes, I am fully aware I am contradicting myself by acting like this. But I feel that you should always be tolerant and respectfull of other people's religions. Wich I am. I will never say a christian or a catholic or a Muslim is worshipping the wrong god and I would never break contact with someone just becausese they chose another path .... and this is coming from an Occultist .

 

[YahwehisHisname]

There are many ways to verify it. His prophesy is a certain way to test Him. Do the same to other "gods" and they fall short almost instantly. The Hebrew scriptures is the only credible creation account because there was only one witness at creation. Yahuweh's word is testable. Every thing, scene, place and person depicted in scripture is grounded in history, science and archeology. Yahuweh is brilliant and has never been proven wrong. The Scripture Yahuweh inspired remains the world’s only rational candidate for divine writ. According to His word, There is ONE God. One message. One plan of redemption. One path to get there, and One Savior.

 

[Wr4ith]

There are many ways to verify it. His prophesy is a certain way to test Him. Do the same to other "gods" and they fall short almost instantly. The Hebrew scriptures is the only credible creation account because there was only one witness at creation. Yahuweh's word is testable. Every thing, scene, place and person depicted in scripture is grounded in history, science and archeology. Yahuweh is brilliant and has never been proven wrong. The Scripture Yahuweh inspired remains the world’s only rational candidate for divine writ. According to His word, There is ONE God. One message. One plan of redemption. One path to get there, and One Savior.

I don't think you understood what I told you.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

I don't think you understood what I told you.

You said there is no proof of Yahuweh, right? I disagree. I would never drop my brain at the door and blindly have faith in anything, let alone my salvation. Next, you said that "I have no right saying that you should be intolerant of other people's religions".
Well, that is what scripture says, and I gave a dozen verses to back it up. Plus, it is the essence of the third commandment. Since I serve Yahuweh and that is what His scriptures say, I'll go with what He says. Tolerating error has cost mankind BILLIONS of souls. The Boss doesn't care too much for it.

 

[Wr4ith]

You said there is no proof of Yahuweh, right? I disagree. I would never drop my brain at the door and blindly have faith in anything, let alone my salvation. Next, you said that "I have no right saying that you should be intolerant of other people's religions".
Well, that is what scripture says, and I gave a dozen verses to back it up. Plus, it is the essence of the third commandment. Since I serve Yahuweh and that is what His scriptures say, I'll go with what He says. Tolerating error has cost mankind BILLIONS of souls. The Boss doesn't care too much for it.

Sorry, I forgot to put myself in your point of view. I can understand why don't tolerate other religions. I don't like the idea but I can understand.

 

[Cassiopeia]

You said there is no proof of Yahuweh, right? I disagree. I would never drop my brain at the door and blindly have faith in anything, let alone my salvation. Next, you said that "I have no right saying that you should be intolerant of other people's religions".
Well, that is what scripture says, and I gave a dozen verses to back it up. Plus, it is the essence of the third commandment. Since I serve Yahuweh and that is what His scriptures say, I'll go with what He says. Tolerating error has cost mankind BILLIONS of souls. The Boss doesn't care too much for it.

It isn't that I dont believe in a diety..but could you show me the proof you are talking about?

 

[Wr4ith]

It isn't that I dont believe in a diety..but could you show me the proof you are talking about?

Hm... he'll only quote scriptures no doubt. Wich is only true to those who believe it is true.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

It isn't that I dont believe in a diety..but could you show me the proof you are talking about?

Sure, you got a year?
If you are serious, ......I will PM you when I get a chance.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Sorry, I forgot to put myself in your point of view. I can understand why don't tolerate other religions. I don't like the idea but I can understand.

You have no idea of my position or point of view. Perhaps you should just ask.
Worship a cat for all I care. The problem comes in when religions slander, and defame Yahuweh, the God who inspired the Bible. That shouldn't be tolerated, according to scripture. It corrupts and damns. Oh yeah, I don't care too much for a religion that calls for my death either.

 

[Wr4ith]

You have no idea of my position or point of view. Perhaps you should just ask.
Worship a cat for all I care. The problem comes in when religions slander, and defame Yahuweh, the God who inspired the Bible. That shouldn't be tolerated, according to scripture. It corrupts and damns. Oh yeah, I don't care too much for a religion that calls for my death either.

EDIT: okay, I have attempted to write a reply several times from scratch now. And I just got to the point where I just feel that talking to you will get me nowhere. Thank you for reminding me why I dont' like humanity.

 

[Cassiopeia]

Sure, you got a year?
If you are serious, ......I will PM you when I get a chance.

why send me a PM? It isn't like you are going to get into trouble for promoting Christianity. My point is this...there is no actual "proof". We have things we are willing to accept as truthful..such as holy text and different things but then again those are the writings of man..but if you have real proof...post it so all of us can read it and let it enrich our lives.

 

[YahwehisHisname]

Hm... he'll only quote scriptures no doubt. Wich is only true to those who believe it is true.

Hmm, are there any Christians who believed in the scriptures before coming to know them? How silly would that be. I never believed in a God, until a few years back so He had to convince me. He proves He is worthy of trust by prophesy. Can anyone other than God predict His own crucifixion1000 yrs before it happened and 500 yrs before the gruesome practice was invented? Let me know next time someone brings the dead back to life after a few days. Who can conquer death by predicting his resurrection. On and on it goes. You pick the one that stirs you the most. There are hundreds of fulfilled prophesies, and none failed. Care to figure the odds of just one of these happening by chance? It ironically takes a leap of faith to reject Him once you are willing to come to know Him. I have learned that one can only point someone in the right direction. Everything else is up to them personally. If you are willing, the truth is jaw dropping.

 

[OdwinOddball]

Hmm, are there any Christians who believed in the scriptures before coming to know them? How silly would that be. I never believed in a God, until a few years back so He had to convince me. He proves He is worthy of trust by prophesy. Can anyone other than God predict His own crucifixion1000 yrs before it happened and 500 yrs before the gruesome practice was invented? Let me know next time someone brings the dead back to life after a few days. Who can conquer death by predicting his resurrection. On and on it goes. You pick the one that stirs you the most. There are hundreds of fulfilled prophesies, and none failed. Care to figure the odds of just one of these happening by chance? It ironically takes a leap of faith to reject Him once you are willing to come to know Him. I have learned that one can only point someone in the right direction. Everything else is up to them personally. If you are willing, the truth is jaw dropping.

Prophecies that are only mentioned and then "fullfilled" in the same book that makes them, are not worth much of anything as evidence, and certainly cannot be shown to be valid as prophecy. We have no way of knowing if they were written after the fact.

I have a book. It says that I will earn a million dollars. Later on it goes onto desribe how I won that million dollars and lived happily ever after.

My little book has just as much evidence behind it as your Bible.

 

[OdwinOddball]

As to the OP. In America we certainly should respect a persons right to follow what ever religion they choose, and their right to excerise their religious believes and practices as long as they do not impinge on anothers rights.

However, at no time are we required, or should we be required, to respect the belief itself.

For much of the world, this holds true aswell.