Tolerant or Respect

[TricksterWolf]

Tolerance is something that is taught from the pulpits- not from God.

Matthew 5:39
But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 5:43-48
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

(Sounds like God promoting tolerance to me.)

Trickster

 

[YahwehisHisname]

I believe Jesus calls for us to die and be born again, for one.

Also, in Acts it is said that everyone who doesn't accept Jesus shall be destroyed. It's even harsher in the Old Testament. In Jeremiah, God says that you're cursed if you hold your sword back from drawing blood. Etc.

You can take just as many passages out of context in the Christian Bible as you can in the Quran. Moderate Muslims have explained to me in the past that "Jihad" does not literally mean "killing unbelievers"; rather, it signifies a spiritual warfare much like what Christians practice.

But I'm not the best-equipped person to defend Islam--I'm just saying I think some people only want to listen to the extremists, not the majority of Muslims who aren't strapping bombs to their chest. There are apologetics in Islam to deal with the passages that seem to promote violence, just as there are in Christianity. Following Islam, for most, is not a path to murder...Christianity in the past has had its episodes of terrorist activity as well.

I think the best way to support change is to support the Muslims who don't believe in killing others, not to call them all evil.

Trickster

Never called a single Muslim evil. Islam is evil to the core however. Sorry trickster, there is no polite way to say it I guess. You have no idea of what you are speaking of. You have never read the quran or Hadith accounts. You have probably never even heard of Al Tabari, or Ibn Ishaq, yet you wish to inform me of what Islam promotes? Not once, for example, is Jihad defined as "spiritual", instead being a full force of weapons, leaving your home, fighting in Allah's cause, every single time, but instead of reading, you believe Muslims who are told it is OK to lie if it makes us easier prey. You better wake up, and wake up fast people. Every time I post information regarding Islam, my posts are deleted, commie style, even though I am simply quoting Islamic scripture. That should scream volumes. I predict this very post will be deleted. As we march like ignorant lemmings to our demise, we are more concerned with arguing at a stupid chat room than cracking a book. Read Prophet of Doom, Islam's terrorist dogma in Muhammed's own words as reported by eyewitnesses, and educate yourself on the most evil, hateful, racist, immoral, violent, ignorant, and destructive doctrine ever bestowed on human kind.

As far as turning the other cheek is concerned, or forgiving those who sin against you, that's all fine and dandy, but those are against you or me, not against Yahuweh. Of these, God scorns tolerance and praises intolerance. I don't see how anyone can miss this message as it is one of the most oft repeated
themes in scripture. You can read what scripture says about tolerance here.
If you actually read these sources, you will no longer have any questions. Read prophet of doom and wait on your analysis until you are complete. There is only one possible conclusion a sane mind can come to if this is done.
It isn't what I want Islam to be either, but we better come to know our enemy, and this is the best source for that,ever written. The prelude, will confirm why this is true. It is free online. No need to reply to this message as this is my last post. I am only concerned with truth and facts, and this place will not tolerate it, so I must leave. Instead of asking for the evidence of my words, they simply erase them because they don't like what they say. Well, here's a newsflash,....I don't like them either, but they are not my words. Everything I have ever said comes directly from Islam's oldest and most trusted sources of Islam. This mindset of political correctness will destroy us. You can take that to the bank. And because this is how we have become, we are susceptible to ignorant lies and half truths, regarding Islam and Yahuweh. You are not alone, and it is not your fault, so don't take this the wrong way. Peace to all of you and may Yahuweh's Spirit be with you and yours forever.

 

[Arthra]

Tolerance is only a beginning. We must attain to the station that 'the stranger may find himself a friend, the enemy a true brother', and this will be the result of universal love.

 

[srev2004]

Tolerance is only a beginning. We must attain to the station that 'the stranger may find himself a friend, the enemy a true brother', and this will be the result of universal love.

I agree I love the Bahai doctrine.

 

[TricksterWolf]

Never called a single Muslim evil. Islam is evil to the core however. Sorry trickster, there is no polite way to say it I guess. You have no idea of what you are speaking of. You have never read the quran or Hadith accounts. You have probably never even heard of Al Tabari, or Ibn Ishaq, yet you wish to inform me of what Islam promotes? Not once, for example, is Jihad defined as "spiritual", instead being a full force of weapons, leaving your home, fighting in Allah's cause, every single time, but instead of reading, you believe Muslims who are told it is OK to lie if it makes us easier prey. You better wake up, and wake up fast people. Every time I post information regarding Islam, my posts are deleted, commie style, even though I am simply quoting Islamic scripture. That should scream volumes. I predict this very post will be deleted. As we march like ignorant lemmings to our demise, we are more concerned with arguing at a stupid chat room than cracking a book. Read Prophet of Doom, Islam's terrorist dogma in Muhammed's own words as reported by eyewitnesses, and educate yourself on the most evil, hateful, racist, immoral, violent, ignorant, and destructive doctrine ever bestowed on human kind.

As far as turning the other cheek is concerned, or forgiving those who sin against you, that's all fine and dandy, but those are against you or me, not against Yahuweh. Of these, God scorns tolerance and praises intolerance. I don't see how anyone can miss this message as it is one of the most oft repeated
themes in scripture. You can read what scripture says about tolerance here.
If you actually read these sources, you will no longer have any questions. Read prophet of doom and wait on your analysis until you are complete. There is only one possible conclusion a sane mind can come to if this is done.
It isn't what I want Islam to be either, but we better come to know our enemy, and this is the best source for that,ever written. The prelude, will confirm why this is true. It is free online. No need to reply to this message as this is my last post. I am only concerned with truth and facts, and this place will not tolerate it, so I must leave. Instead of asking for the evidence of my words, they simply erase them because they don't like what they say. Well, here's a newsflash,....I don't like them either, but they are not my words. Everything I have ever said comes directly from Islam's oldest and most trusted sources of Islam. This mindset of political correctness will destroy us. You can take that to the bank. And because this is how we have become, we are susceptible to ignorant lies and half truths, regarding Islam and Yahuweh. You are not alone, and it is not your fault, so don't take this the wrong way. Peace to all of you and may Yahuweh's Spirit be with you and yours forever.

"It's not my fault" for what? Believing that Islam isn't essentially evil? I hope that is my fault, actually.

There are a lot of objectionable things in the Bible that could be used to say that Christianity is inherently evil. It says to stone your kids to death if they disobey you, to take slaves and concubines, and to refuse to hand a woman any object during her period, even by the end of a long stick.

All I know is that there exists a mainstream Islam that does not embrace the literal interpretation of Jihad, that advocates peace and nonviolence, and that has a large following around the world. These people are the ones that people like bin Laden fear the most. I have Muslim friends who believe in nonviolence, and they're moral and upright people. Every time you say "Islam is evil" you're simply adding fuel to the religious fire. I feel that those of us willing to find common ground instead of picking through religious texts to call one another liars and fools are doing the greater good.

Trickster

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

All I know is that there exists a mainstream Islam that does not embrace the literal interpretation of Jihad, that advocates peace and nonviolence, and that has a large following around the world. These people are the ones that people like bin Laden fear the most. I have Muslim friends who believe in nonviolence, and they're moral and upright people. Every time you say "Islam is evil" you're simply adding fuel to the religious fire. I feel that those of us willing to find common ground instead of picking through religious texts to call one another liars and fools are doing the greater good.

Trickster

The problem is each religion uses 2 different "Books" [with the Jews and Messianic Jews using the Talmud/Torah].

One believes Jesus is Lord the other believes Muhammad is the last great Prophet to mankind.

All in all we both believe in the same LORD GOD creator in the Book of Genesis.

I will not join "Islam" because of their failure to see the fulfillment of the OT/OC prophecies in the Lord Jesus [and a on a minor note, calling the Apostle Paul a liar and deceiver] Other than that, I just pray our religions can worship in peace without hatred and violence against the other. Thoughts?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

(Young) Deuteronomy 4:29 `And--ye have sought from thence J@hovah thy 'elohiym, and hast found, when thou seekest Him with all thy heart, and with all thy soul,

(Young) Matthew 17:5 While he is yet speaking, lo, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and lo, a voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son, --the Beloved, in whom I did delight; hear Him.'

(Young) Matthew 22:37 And Jesus said to him, `Thou shalt love the Lord/J@hovah thy God//qeon/'elohiym with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding--

 

[TricksterWolf]

I will not join "Islam" because of their failure to see the fulfillment of the OT/OC prophecies in the Lord Jesus [and a on a minor note, calling the Apostle Paul a liar and deceiver] Other than that, I just pray our religions can worship in peace without hatred and violence against the other. Thoughts?

I'm not a Muslim either, and I think what you offer is about as much as I would want from anyone.

All I'm saying is I know that Islam isn't necessarily evil because there are a lot of otherwise good people who practice and follow it in a nonviolent way.

Trickster

 

[Cassiopeia]

It is a sad thing that a person can not just say they prefer not to be a part of a specific religion because they feel it's practices don't call to them. Rather on this forum, people want to demonize other religions.

In the years I have know people that are Muslim, I have not met one who wasn't loving, compassionate and respectful. By and large, with the exception of fantatical friges...the Islamic people are some of the most dedicated to peace and faithful people I have met.

It is unfair that they are the target of such ignorance that is perpuatrated against them on this forum.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
I will not join "Islam" because of their failure to see the fulfillment of the OT/OC prophecies in the Lord Jesus [and a on a minor note, calling the Apostle Paul a liar and deceiver] Other than that, I just pray our religions can worship in peace without hatred and violence against the other. Thoughts?

I'm not a Muslim either, and I think what you offer is about as much as I would want from anyone.

All I'm saying is I know that Islam isn't necessarily evil because there are a lot of otherwise good people who practice and follow it in a nonviolent way.

Trickster

For the record, I have never [or recall anyway] called any religion violent or wicked or even idoloatrous.

My faith is in the Lord Jesus of the Bible and God His Father of the Bible but when another religion calls one of Jesus's chosen, the Apostle Paul, a "liar and deceiver", I will defend both him and the Lord Jesus, just as other religions defend their religion and Prophets.

Other than that, I am at peace with all that will accept my peace.


http://www.christianforums.com/t3735875-muslims-and-christians-view-of-return-of-jesus.html

 

[TricksterWolf]

It is a sad thing that a person can not just say they prefer not to be a part of a specific religion because they feel it's practices don't call to them. Rather on this forum, people want to demonize other religions.

In the years I have know people that are Muslim, I have not met one who wasn't loving, compassionate and respectful. By and large, with the exception of fantatical friges...the Islamic people are some of the most dedicated to peace and faithful people I have met.

It is unfair that they are the target of such ignorance that is perpuatrated against them on this forum.

It frightens me, but it is eye-opening. I had no idea before coming to this forum that so many Christians felt this way about Islam.

Trickster

 

[Skillganon]

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[Exegete12]

The Muslims I know personally are kind and generous hearted. Just people like you and me, wanting to earn a decent living, and above all stay in peace with all people.

 

[srev2004]

Muslim's in India are amoung the most peaceful people I know. But there are quite a few bad apples from other countries though.

 

[TricksterWolf]

It frightens me, but it is eye-opening. I had no idea before coming to this forum that so many Christians felt this way about Islam.

Trickster

Most (but not all) of the Muslims I know are from Turkey, and they're very moderate in their views. Much more than any other group at the college I graduated from, the Muslims there sponsor interfaith dialogues and other meetings between various faiths with the goal being tolerance and understanding of one another.

Trickster

 

[SquareC]

It frightens me, but it is eye-opening. I had no idea before coming to this forum that so many Christians felt this way about Islam.

Trickster

Before I came here, I thought Christians thought we Pagans were the bad guys..... I do think that September 11th had a great deal to do with what appears to me to be an upsurge of anti-Muslim sentiment. I could be wrong in that, maybe I was just out of touch before.

 

[logan760]

Whatever I learnt about Hinduism in my childhood says that there is only one god, different faiths call him by different names and all of them lead us to the same god.
That's as far as my knowledge of religion goes. Fortunately, it absolves me of any guilt or fear for respecting or tolerating other religions.

 

[français]

Christianity has nothing against any other religions. Although we have an obligation as Christians to get people to join our great religion, if you don't, the Bible doesn't say to do anything to the people.

If Christians ever persecuted other non Christians.. They will not have one verse from the Bible that justifies it.

Muslims have lots of versus that say to not tolerate other religions, but at the same time it has versus that says to tolerate others.. So no one knows about Islam, when 70% of the versus say don't take Chrsitians or Jews as your friends, disown your non muslim families, and kill any non muslim wherever you see them, and others say be respectful of them and use their Holy Books as well.. So who knows.

Hindu is VERY tolerant of other religions. may God Bless the Hindu's!

Buddhists of course also are very tolerant.

Bahai's have to be one of the most tolerant.

Judaism is very tolerant. As a Jew, you're not even supposed to get people to convert, but have them come to you. Which probably explains why Judaism isn't growing all that much.

Basically, I would say most religions are very tolerant of others.. However, Islam doesn't seem to be.

 

[arunma]

Hindu is VERY tolerant of other religions. may God Bless the Hindu's!

In my experience, Hinduism is quite far from tolerant. One problem with Hinduism is that it doesn't have any definitive belief system, so a Hindu can use it to justify whatever he desires (including what you might call "intolerance" towards Christianity).

I too wish for God to bless Hindus: by opening them to the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, so that they might abandon their false deities. It is highly important for us to understand that salvation is not possible by practicing Hinduism.

Judaism is very tolerant. As a Jew, you're not even supposed to get people to convert, but have them come to you. Which probably explains why Judaism isn't growing all that much.

Judaism really has the same problem as Hinduism: it is tolerant until a Jew wishes to become a Christian. Jewishness is said to be a national identity, but it would appear that becoming a Christian is the one thing that a Jew can do to cease being a Jew. Many Jews I've met consider it blasphemous to even say or write the name of Jesus, instead using "J," "J-man," or the most virulent, "You Know Who." I'm not saying that any religious group is under any obligation to be tolerant. But is this what you would call a tolerant religion?

 

[TricksterWolf]

In my experience, Hinduism is quite far from tolerant. One problem with Hinduism is that it doesn't have any definitive belief system, so a Hindu can use it to justify whatever he desires (including what you might call "intolerance" towards Christianity).

I too wish for God to bless Hindus: by opening them to the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, so that they might abandon their false deities. It is highly important for us to understand that salvation is not possible by practicing Hinduism.



Judaism really has the same problem as Hinduism: it is tolerant until a Jew wishes to become a Christian. Jewishness is said to be a national identity, but it would appear that becoming a Christian is the one thing that a Jew can do to cease being a Jew. Many Jews I've met consider it blasphemous to even say or write the name of Jesus, instead using "J," "J-man," or the most virulent, "You Know Who." I'm not saying that any religious group is under any obligation to be tolerant. But is this what you would call a tolerant religion?

What do you think tolerance means, exactly? Because in the same breath you seem to be complaining that other religions aren't being tolerant...in a most judgmental and intolerant fashion.

Religions and beliefs aren't tolerant or intolerant. People are.

Trickster

 

[arunma]

What do you think tolerance means, exactly? Because in the same breath you seem to be complaining that other religions aren't being tolerant...in a most judgmental and intolerant fashion.

Religions and beliefs aren't tolerant or intolerant. People are.

I'm sorry that I didn't provide enough information in my last post. By no means am I complaining that other religions are intolerant, for indeed I am intolerant by my own admission. My complaint is that the two religions I mentioned falsely claim to be tolerant. My objection isn't to the intolerance, but to the denial thereof.

Now, having said that I am intolerant, you may be somewhat surprised. So to avoid any misconception, please allow me to give you my definition of tolerance. When I say that I am intolerant, I do not mean to say that I seek to prevent people from practicing whatever religion they choose, nor do I say that I harbor any hatred for people of different religious beliefs. What I mean to say when I am intolerant is that I do not believe non-Christian religions hold any truth, and I do not believe that salvation is possible through the practice of non-Christian religions.