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To tithe, or not to tithe?

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by TruelightUK, Jun 10, 2002.

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  1. franklin

    franklin Sexed up atheism = Pantheism

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    Lambs, It wasn't my idea, it came from the scripture and the tithe was a form of sacrifice....
    Think before you accuse someone of not knowing what they are talking about! Yes I agree about tithes for the temple.


    Ok, no problem as to what you are saying the point that is trying to be made here is all this came under the carnel commandments that was under the OC just as I have stated in my previous posts in this thread, just go back and read what I said. Also read what I just wrote to Ms belle .
     
  2. jimigold

    jimigold Jimi for short

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    I don't tithe very well. I do give a collection into the church but i don't give 10%. BTW is it 10% monthly/weekly/yearly or what?

    I'm gonna start giving 10% from now on on second thoughts!
    That's *presses buttons on calculator* £5 a month. So £1.25 a week!

    I really love this forum. It has really inspired me and the love that eminates from it. :sigh: thanks guys.
     
  3. ZiSunka

    ZiSunka It means 'yellow dog'

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    You are very mistaken franklin! If someone you know is teaching that tithing is carnal, obsolete and a scarifice, they need to study the whole thing more.

    Please go directly to a good Bible college and get the real meaning of tithe. It had nothing to do with sacrifice, is not carnal and was blessed by Jesus in Matthew 23:23: "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone."

    Study the whole issue, not just one man's book on the idea.

    If you can't study for yourself, if you have to read someone else's take on tithing, First Fruits Living by Lynn Miller is excellent. He did a very thorough study on the whole topic and lived it before he wrote his book.
     
  4. Auntie

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    Hi Franklin:wave:

    I use crosswalk.com for scriptures to post. I find the scriptures I want and copy and paste them into the reply box. You will like the crosswalk site, because they have all the translations and even the works of Josephus and the Greek.:) (I think I am giving aid to the "enemy" here.:D just teasing you.:) )

    Anyway, here is a link to where I copied and pasted Hebrews 7:
    http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineSt...d=Hebrews+7&section=2&version=nlt&language=en

    And this link is the "Bible Study Tools" main page:
    http://bible.crosswalk.com/

    I studied Hebrews chapter 6 thru chapter 13, so that took some time and thought, but copying and pasting the scriptures doesn't take that long. It helps if you have at least 2 windows open, one window being the christianforums.com site and the other window being the crosswalk site. I love the way modern technology can be used to glorify God!:)

    There are tools at the top of the reply box, but I've never taken the time to learn to use them. If I want to add color, I just type color=blue at the beginning of a sentence, and /color at the end of the sentence. Of course you have to type the brackets in: [ ] It's the same for most everything, to underline: type u at the beginning and type /u at the end of what you want to underline, remembering to use the brackets. If you find a post that has a lot of things in it that you would like to use, click the quote button and study the words/letters in the brackets.

    As for the tithing subject, I'm going to do a lot more study before I come to a final conclusion. I have always believed tithing is the will of God, so I would have to do a lot of studying and praying before I could be convinced otherwise. The Holy Spirit within me gives me the desire to support the church, whether that is a tithe or giving from my heart. I believe we are to provide for the church in the same way we are to provide for our aging parents.
     
  5. Julie

    Julie ONLY JESUS CHRIST SAVES

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    Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
     
  6. TruelightUK

    TruelightUK Tilter at religious windmills

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    That's one word for it!

    Actually 'Shepherdship' (where all members were under the 'covering' of a group leader/elder to whom they were accountable for all decisions in life - to varying degrees, but generally needing prophetic confirmation before making major choices such as where to live, who to marry etc.) as such is now very much a discredited movement, with most churches which used to deliberately adopt such practices having officially renounced it. However, in reality, many still practice similar 'control' techniques, but without the outward label or formal structure. As Coastie says, definitely a tendency to be given a wide berth! Generally, though, pressure to tithe tends not to be quite so dogmatically imposed as in my example - more on the level of implied 'curses' for non-compliance -v- 'blessings' for conformity.

    Certainly, as most contributors to this thread agree, the Biblical (NT) emphasis is very much on the 'grace of giving' - coming as a willing, generous expression of God's nature and spirit within us, rather than as a result of any legalistic obligation.
    (More on this and similar abusive practices at my "cultpages" - http://www.geocities.com/truelightmin )

    Anthony
     
  7. pcmixoye

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    Hey all: Great posts they have given me much food for thought.
    I had a thought the other day as I was meditating on the First mention of Tithing, Gen. 14 and the Last mention Heb. 7. Both are basically the same story. Abraham giving tithe to Melchizedek King of Salem. Hebrews 7 Is the Holy Spirit interpretation of the story in Genesis.
    The Idea is the doing away of levitical obligation.
    But my thought was this:
    In each Abraham is, by giving the Tithe to Melchizedek, acknowledging His place and position. From this I can accept the Idea of a tithe being the acknowledgment of the place Jesus owns in our lives as New Creation Beings.
    However this still dosn't release us from the command of Jesus: Give... As my wife says: "It's a lot easer to write a check than it is to sacrifice your life."

    God Bless Pete
     
  8. Gerry

    Gerry Jesus Paid It All

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    So short! So So true and accurate, and spot on! So Spirit led and anointed!

    Amen!
     
  9. eldermike

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    There is more about money in the Bible than almost any other subject. Money is a master. The discipline of Tithing was established as a necessary means of doing the will of God. Today doing the will of God still requires money. If Jesus did away with tithing then explain to me how we do the will of God without money. Also the lack of scripture is not scripture. You cannot serve two masters, you will love one and hate the other. You will defend one and attack the other.

    I know preachers that preach money sermons, but it's not for money, it's for separating people from the master called money. I have heard people come away from such preaching saying the same things I have read on this thread.

    Churches have given over the things they were called to do because folks serve money and not God. The government now poorly replaces the work of the church because people use a lack of scripture as scripture.

    You cannot serve two masters. How much of your money is yours? If a lack of scripture is scripture then tell me what the Bible says is yours? Forget what it doesn't say about how much is God's, how much is yours?



    Blessings
     
  10. LouisBooth

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    "Booth, and where did you get this information from? "

    the bible.....ever read it ;) I'd start in 1 and 2 cor. try chapter 9 in 1st cor..you'll find it enlightening. YOu should pay those that work in the ministry. Let me direct one particular verse to you.."If we have sown spiritual sed among you, it is too much if we reap a material harvest from you? If others have this right of support from you, shoudn't we have it all the more?"

    Ministers have a right to be paid from their church. Just like I said. Tithing is something you SHOULD do according to God. Any other questions I can answer for you franklin?


    "The only thing fasting does for me is it makes me very hungry! "

    Then you're not obeying God in that area either ;) Christ says 'WHEN you fast' not if you fast. Its a spiritual required disipline for a mature christians :) See your bible for details ;) let me know if ya need me to point ya to the address.
     
  11. Back To The Future

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    We have not tithed for over 20 years and God has met all of our needs. I could tell you many stories.

    Instead we have kept an envelope marked help others in a box in the cabinet. My adult children do the same.

    We use this money, to make meals for people, pay a bill, give Christmas presents to the shelters, where ever there is a need. My kids love doing this, and it warms my heart that they have continued with this tradition. :clap:
    Nancy
     
  12. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    "We have not tithed for over 20 years and God has met all of our needs. "

    Hmm...so you're denying your church staff their right to be paid? I think giving to the needy is a correct thing to do, but not with that tithe.
     
  13. franklin

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    Give it break Booth! Who are to judge how Nancy gives from her heart anyway? And where is it in the NT where we have to go to a church building and worship and pay people salaries? Like I said in a previous post, back up your statements with scripture and show us something with a little more substance then your own words!
     
  14. Gerry

    Gerry Jesus Paid It All

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    Yes, you will find here a Family. NOT a perfect one, but a Family. And Family memeber do love each other even though like all families this one will have disputes and fights and some will "run away from home" and others will be cast out and banned for some misdeed: Yeah, just like in real life. But in the end they all love each other.

    I am glad that once, one of the Family members here loved me enough to invite me to become one of them. Now I too love all these people. Even the ones I can agree with nothing on. lol!
     
  15. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    "Who are to judge how Nancy gives from her heart anyway? "

    Just using the bible to show her what's right :) something you don't do very often from what I've read....

    "And where is it in the NT where we have to go to a church building and worship and pay people salaries? "

    *sigh* like I said in a previous post, read 1 cor chapter 9 but then again you never read what I tell you ...
     
  16. Back To The Future

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    Maybe it was just our experiance with church. Haven't been to one in a long time.(That doesn't mean we haven't gotten together with those who share our beliefs)
    We never knew where the money was going. Plus I also feel that tithing was just not Biblical.
    Some of the churches we have been to, the family's were eating out of food pantry's., deep in debt all because they would give 10% every week or month. Just didn't make sense to me :p

    Also, And I know this is not everyone that lives like this. But in a Big Church in the town I live in , they built a million dollar bell tower with the tithe money. Is that so sad. People starving in this area and they build a bell tower. When my kidswere small and who are adults now saw that, they said, "Mommy, all that money to build that bell tower would feed a lot of people right?" Out of the mouths of babes.
    Nancy
     
  17. WayneH

    WayneH Washed in His Blood

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    Hi Nancy..... I must say this - you should have been more attentive - EVERY Church should be accountable ot its members and let them know where th emoney is going.. My church has a business meeting once a month - which includes giving an account of the finances.. Where every dime goes... Which by the way is voted on by the Membership.... I totally agree with you - out of the mouthes of babes.. Churches are for the community and that means for financial means also.. OUr church has a benefinance fund - We help pay rent - gas - food and other bills when we know about them..

    Of course if people didn't give from the heart - the church wouldn't have the money to share to those in need.. I personally do not think a person MUST give a certain amount - but they should give according to their ability... if in abundance they should give in abundance.. in meager living then give meger.... its between a person and God.. if God wishes a person to tithe MORE - then he will provide.......
     
  18. Droobie

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    Hebrews 4:14
    Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.

    Hebrews 7:8
    In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.


    In the OT the tithes went to the then high priest of the Levitical priesthood. Today, Christ is our high priest and our tithes go toward His will and purpose in the world today.

    God instructed His people to take the first fruits of their increase to the high priest of their day, and confess over it. Jesus is the high priest over the church today. We are to bring our tithe and our confession of Faith to Him!
     
  19. franklin

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    That's just my point booth! You didn't use the Bible as the final authority, just like all your other posts! you remind me of the preachers who use the scare tactics and guilt trips to have people fork over their hard earned cash! There is nothing in scripture that supports someone making a living and charging a price to hear God's word! You want my scripture referrences, go back & re-read my posts in this forum! Nancy gave a beautiful testimony of the overflow of her heart for helping those in need! That was a great example of what our Lord was referring to about giving!
     
  20. Mandy

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    Is it more important to give a tenth or to give cheerfully, faithfully, and as is purposed in our hearts?
     
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