TO THOSE WHO ARE INVESTIGATING "MORMONISM"

[Alma]

I have discuessed this with a few other mormons, and seem to get the same response "we just havent found it yet" Which, with out current level of technology and knowledge makes this so unlikely to be almost impossible. For there to be NO trace of the mormon-written civilization, no weapon, pot, building, word, writing, language, bone, anything, is impossible.

I think you're making an unjustifiable leap, there bug. It isn't true to claim that there are no bones, buildings, pots, weapons, writing or languages found in this hemisphere, for those have been found in abundance. The only thing that's missing is a correlation between these civilizations and something tied to the Book of Mormon. With the level of archaeological research in and around Jerusalem, there have been similar difficulties tying the text of the Bible to archaeological finds. Only in the relatively recent past have there been any finds substantiating bible characters as authentic history. There has been only one historical inscription of King David - one! And that comes from an area where civilization has a continuity that didn't exist in this hemisphere.

Not only that, but scientists regularly dismiss any evidence that doesn't fit with their pre-conceived ideas about how things occurred. Many horse bones have been found in Central America but they're dismissed as "contaminated" because the scientists already know there were no horses before Columbus. No matter how many they find, they will be dismissed because they already have concluded what they will find.

Consider the fact that tests on Egyptian mummies have consistently shown the presence of both nicotine and cocaine. What happens to the scientists who report this? They are summarily dismissed as incompetent and their evidence is simply ignored. The fact that cocaine and nicotine (products only found in America) appear in the tissues of pre-columbian, Egyptian mummies indicates that there was pre-columbian contact between America and Egypt, but since it doesn't fit into the paradigm of what scientists have already concluded is approved history, the evidence is buried and ignored.

Just try googling on cocaine and mummies and you'll see scientific data that has no connection to Mormonism and you'll see that the facts are simply dismissed with a sniff and a wave of the hand. (no pun intended with the cocaine reference.)

BTW, pre-columbian barley has been located in central America.

Alma

 

[Starcrystal]

Interesting, very much so....

I was going to post....

But the Lord said stay out of it.........

 

[happyinhisgrace]

The LDS church is one fo the wealthiest churches in the World. If archeologist found even one shred to the truth of the claims of BofM locations, cultures, events ect. they would be jumping on the chance to escavate and delve into it. They know that they would be able to get the support of the LDS church for these excavations because of the proof of claim. The fact remains that there is no proof of the BofM and archeoligist are not even remotly interested in proving it's claims or in using it for a guide when doing their searching. The Bible IS used by archeologist as a tool for searching and finding.

This is one of the major reasons I don't take seriously the claims of FARMS and Jeff Lindsey. Also another reason is because everything I have read to this point on those web-sites seems to just be a lot of "it is possible, it could be, it might be, this could mean". There is not solid proof on their site, just guesses. I don't take them seriously for those reasons.

Grace

 

[usetheforce]

From some of the writings i had looked thru, the main focus is trying to disregard as much Biblical scripture as possible

Um, no offense, but where did you get this idea? Because I've spent years studying LDS materials as well as other things, and LDS don't do anything of the sort.
We embrase fully all scripture, Biblical or not, but the Bible is a part of our official cannon, so there isn't one thing whatsoever we "disregard" as to the Bible.
In our normal Church sunday school we study the Bible for two whole years, and other scripture of our cannon a year each.

Your comment is completely inaccurate.

 

[usetheforce]

The LDS church is one fo the wealthiest churches in the World. If archeologist found even one shred to the truth of the claims of BofM locations, cultures, events ect. they would be jumping on the chance to escavate and delve into it. They know that they would be able to get the support of the LDS church for these excavations because of the proof of claim. The fact remains that there is no proof of the BofM and archeoligist are not even remotly interested in proving it's claims or in using it for a guide when doing their searching. The Bible IS used by archeologist as a tool for searching and finding.

This is one of the major reasons I don't take seriously the claims of FARMS and Jeff Lindsey. Also another reason is because everything I have read to this point on those web-sites seems to just be a lot of "it is possible, it could be, it might be, this could mean". There is not solid proof on their site, just guesses. I don't take them seriously for those reasons.

Tell me, would you have also then been an anti-christ, since Christians believed in Biblical scripture for more than a 1000 years with little or any "archeological" evidence, at least to the eyes and ears of most Christians?
Book of Mormon scholarship is in it's infancy, but there is already MUCH evidence some significant, that proves it true.
And no, it's not "maybe" or "could be" scholarship.

If people only knew how much there is.....

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Tell me, would you have also then been an anti-christ, since Christians believed in Biblical scripture for more than a 1000 years with little or any "archeological" evidence, at least to the eyes and ears of most Christians?
Book of Mormon scholarship is in it's infancy, but there is already MUCH evidence some significant, that proves it true.
And no, it's not "maybe" or "could be" scholarship.

If people only knew how much there is.....

Would I have been an "anti-christ"....hhhmmm, I doubt it because God knows exactly what I would have or am before he ever created me in my mothers womb and I is what I is, so I don't know that being born during the time of Christ would have changed that plus if I were meant to have been born at that time, I would have been so really it is a moot argument.

Can you show me any evidence that is not on the "pro-lds" sites to the claims of the book of Mormon being "archologically true" ? LIke I said, the Jeff Linsey and the FARMS sites are nothing more than guesses, they don't provide any actualy proof. Can you steer me to a "non-lds" site that would have the same "evidences" backed up by non-lds recognized archeologist?

Thanks,
Grace

 

[TOmNossor]

Wrigley and All,


I have a great deal of experience with Richard and his site. He is the perfect example of what I have been trying to tell you that you desire to make LDS into.
Richard applied the critical thinking that led him out of the CoJCoLDS to Christianity. He walked away from that. Richard is an atheist.



He possesses one thing those on this site who condemn LDS belief as illogical and unreasonable all lack. When he applies his critical thinking skills to God he does not stop at the beliefs of those he is attacking at the moment. He consistently applies those methods to Christianity and all religion. The result is that no faith survives.



I do not advocate this. I think those of you who failed to intellectually exam Christianity in the same light as Mormonism are doing well to be Christians or theists or whatever, but you are inconsistent where Richard Packham is not.



I do not believe in some illogical fairy tale that is the CoJCoLDS. I have reasons to believe as I do. But when it is all said and done there is a leap of faith required to believe in any of this crazy stuff we call Christianity (or even theism). Richard consistently chose not to make any leap. Those who condemn LDS Christianity as false, illogical, … are inconsistent in your methods (in my opinion). I have thought about this a lot, and I do not have much more to say than this, but it is not a conclusion based on just a little examination of the situation.



I commend those of you who maintain the cognitive dissonance that is required to vehemently condemn the CoJCoLDS and still embrace a religion where the sinless perfect Son of God died for a bunch of sinners. It is far better to believe in this than to walk the path Richard did, but he is at least consistent, and you are not.



Faith is a precious gift. I hope none of you loose it, and I hope none of you damage the precious faith of believing LDS. The logic gap bridged by faith within the CoJCoLDS is much smaller than any logic gap within the rest of Christianity in my opinion, but perhaps this is just a personal thing.



I urge all of you not to worship at the altar of Richard Packham. He is successful, bright, generally honest, and very well read. But if you are a Christian you do not want to learn to think like he has. Cherish your faith and recognize that it is a precious gift from God.



Charity, TOm

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

After all, the Bible covers three major faiths, Christians, Jews, and Muslims.
In contrast, Book of Mormon scholarship is in it's infancy, yet much has been discovered, enough anyway to finaly fully convert me in my early twenty's.

In light of the fact that Islam did not exist until the 8[sup]th[/sup] Century AD, and the last book of the bible written before 100 AD, how on earth can you reach the conclusion that the Muslim faith is covered in the bible? Even if one accepts the claim that the Catholic Church put together the bible in the 4[sup]th[/sup] Century AD (we non-Catholics believe that it simply declared what the church always knew to be true), Islam did not exist until nearly 400 years later!

Not much of an argument for BOM scholarship, it seems that the CoJCoLDS needs to do some bible scholarship first. Or perhaps inform their communicants better.

Regards,

CDL

 

[Der Alte]

I think you're making an unjustifiable leap, there bug. It isn't true to claim that there are no bones, buildings, pots, weapons, writing or languages found in this hemisphere, for those have been found in abundance. The only thing that's missing is a correlation between these civilizations and something tied to the Book of Mormon. With the level of archaeological research in and around Jerusalem, there have been similar difficulties tying the text of the Bible to archaeological finds. Only in the relatively recent past have there been any finds substantiating bible characters as authentic history. There has been only one historical inscription of King David - one! And that comes from an area where civilization has a continuity that didn't exist in this hemisphere.

Not only that, but scientists regularly dismiss any evidence that doesn't fit with their pre-conceived ideas about how things occurred. Many horse bones have been found in Central America but they're dismissed as "contaminated" because the scientists already know there were no horses before Columbus. No matter how many they find, they will be dismissed because they already have concluded what they will find.

Consider the fact that tests on Egyptian mummies have consistently shown the presence of both nicotine and cocaine. What happens to the scientists who report this? They are summarily dismissed as incompetent and their evidence is simply ignored. The fact that cocaine and nicotine (products only found in America) appear in the tissues of pre-columbian, Egyptian mummies indicates that there was pre-columbian contact between America and Egypt, but since it doesn't fit into the paradigm of what scientists have already concluded is approved history, the evidence is buried and ignored.

Just try googling on cocaine and mummies and you'll see scientific data that has no connection to Mormonism and you'll see that the facts are simply dismissed with a sniff and a wave of the hand. (no pun intended with the cocaine reference.)

BTW, pre-columbian barley has been located in central America.

Alma

You are the one making the claims about all the findings being blown off by science. Why don't you provide the proof? Quote a little bit of the source here, and provide a link so we can read more of the details and context. Anybody can say "There's lots of proof just go look for it." One quote from a reliable source will do more than pages of posts from you.

 

[Katya]

Usetheforce-

How typically Mormon. You dont event try to offer any kind of proof to back up your claim, just ignore what is said, and keep chanting the mantra--"joseph smith is right" If you have any shred of proof then by all means post it. I became a Christian based on research and evidence, do you have anything useful to say?

Did faith have nothing to do with you becoming a christian?

 

[usetheforce]

In light of the fact that Islam did not exist until the 8[sup]th[/sup] Century AD, and the last book of the bible written before 100 AD, how on earth can you reach the conclusion that the Muslim faith is covered in the bible? Even if one accepts the claim that the Catholic Church put together the bible in the 4[sup]th[/sup] Century AD (we non-Catholics believe that it simply declared what the church always knew to be true), Islam did not exist until nearly 400 years later!

Not much of an argument for BOM scholarship, it seems that the CoJCoLDS needs to do some bible scholarship first. Or perhaps inform their communicants better.

Regards,

CDL

Because Islam uses the First Five Books of the Bible in their faith, so they do scholarship which is related to their faith.
My words were not what you thought they meant.

LDS come from all walks of life. The Church's mission is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, it leaves "scholarship" to the scholars, which happen to include many LDS.
What you may not know is that per-capita, more scientists as well as many other intellectual and professional fields come out of Utah than any other state.
LDS are a highly intelligent and capable group of people.....

 

[Wrigley]

Um, no offense, but where did you get this idea? Because I've spent years studying LDS materials as well as other things, and LDS don't do anything of the sort.
We embrase fully all scripture, Biblical or not, but the Bible is a part of our official cannon, so there isn't one thing whatsoever we "disregard" as to the Bible.
In our normal Church sunday school we study the Bible for two whole years, and other scripture of our cannon a year each.

Your comment is completely inaccurate.

Does that mean you go without studying the Bible for 3 years? That could be one of the biggest problems with the mormon church.

 

[Der Alte]

Because Islam uses the First Five Books of the Bible in their faith, so they do scholarship which is related to their faith.
My words were not what you thought they meant.

I'm sorry you are very badly informed. Islam does not use the first five books of the Bible, very much like LDS, they claim that the entire Bible has been corrupted and mistranslated. Christian missionaries have to smuggle Arabic Bibles into the countries they are serving in because it is against the law to bring them in.

Several of the O.T. prophets are mentioned in the Quran such as Noah, Moses, Solomon but Islam claims that anything unprophet like, for example David comitting adultery, Solomon worshipping pagan idols, is blasphemy. According to them all the O.T. prophets were perfect, sinless. Unlike you I have studied Islam.

 

[usetheforce]

Does that mean you go without studying the Bible for 3 years? That could be one of the biggest problems with the mormon church.

Ummm, duh no.... All scripture is used during our classes, as well as the Words of the Prophets.
Plus, we all have our own private scripture study in which we study what we wish.
Also, I just realized I made a boobo, the D&C and the Pearl of Great Price are studied in the same year during the rotation.

 

[usetheforce]

I'm sorry you are very badly informed. Islam does not use the first five books of the Bible, very much like LDS, they claim that the entire Bible has been corrupted and mistranslated. Christian missionaries have to smuggle Arabic Bibles into the countries they are serving in because it is against the law to bring them in.

Several of the O.T. prophets are mentioned in the Quran such as Noah, Moses, Solomon but Islam claims that anything unprophet like, for example David comitting adultery, Solomon worshipping pagan idols, is blasphemy. According to them all the O.T. prophets were perfect, sinless. Unlike you I have studied Islam.

Hello, sorry, but I said it slighly incorrect, but you are definately wrong however. You don't know as much about Islam as you think.

There are other holy writings of Islam, but they are superceded by the Koran.
The other works are:
- Torah - the First Five books of Moses
- Injeel - the message that Jesus gave, written down, but no longer exists. The writings have been altered by scholars. Whatever agrees with the Koran is true.
- Zaboor - the Psalms

The first Five Books of Moses are in the Bible, thus Muslims DO use some Biblical scripture.

 

[Rescued One]

Um, no offense, but where did you get this idea? Because I've spent years studying LDS materials as well as other things, and LDS don't do anything of the sort.
We embrase fully all scripture, Biblical or not, but the Bible is a part of our official cannon, so there isn't one thing whatsoever we "disregard" as to the Bible.
In our normal Church sunday school we study the Bible for two whole years, and other scripture of our cannon a year each.

Your comment is completely inaccurate.

Ephesians 2:8,9:

For by agrace are ye bsaved through cfaith; and that not of yourselves: it is a dgift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should aboast.

8a Alma 22: 14(13-14); 42: 14(10-25); D&C 20: 30(29-34). TO Grace.

b TO Salvation; Salvation, Plan of.

c TO Faith.

d TO God, Gifts of.

9a TO Boasting.

KJV published by THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS, 1984

Now what do the LDS come up with after reading the Bible?

"I have more to boast about than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I."- Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 408-409 (1844)

God made Aaron to be the mouth piece for the children of Israel, and he will make me be God to you in his stead and if you don’t like it, you must lump it."

-Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 363
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"I am going on in my progress for eternal life. It is not only necessary that you should be baptized for your dead, but you will have to go through all the ordinances for them, the same as you have gone through to save yourselves. There will be 144,000 saviors on Mount Zion, and with them an innumerable host that no man can number." -Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 366

 

[Der Alte]

Hello, sorry, but I said it slighly incorrect, but you are definately wrong however. You don't know as much about Islam as you think.

There are other holy writings of Islam, but they are superceded by the Koran.
The other works are:
- Torah - the First Five books of Moses
- Injeel - the message that Jesus gave, written down, but no longer exists. The writings have been altered by scholars. Whatever agrees with the Koran is true.
- Zaboor - the Psalms

The first Five Books of Moses are in the Bible, thus Muslims DO use some Biblical scripture.

No proof, no evidence, just knee jerk repetition of what some false teacher has told you. There is not one single verse from either testament in the Quran. To Islam, the entire Jewish and Christian Bible, Old Testament and New Testament, is corrupt and as I said it is against Sharia-Islamic law to take, send, or carry a Bible into any Islamic country.

Click on Amnesty International and see how many Christians are imprisoned on a regular basis for simply being Christians. If a Christian gives a Bible to a Muslim that is considered proselyting and is punishable by death. Here is some factual information on Islam and the Bible. Read it or don't but all your information is false. Note the last article, Muslims do not want the Bible and the Quran together, they want to replace the Bible with the Quran.

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After giving some shocking examples of how even leaders within the church gave evidence of inaccurate knowledge of the Scriptures, Dr. Sweetman continues:

What is important, and to our mind a tragedy, is that the translation of the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments had to wait till more than a century at least after the experience of Muhammad on Mount Hira. The first was perhaps a translation from the Latin made in Spain by John of Seville in the early 8th century.....The earliest translation of the New Testament I have ever read and handled is one made in the 11th century by a Christian of Baghdad, a piece of work marked by devotion and ability. But oh! the pity of this long delay.

Since the Arabian Prophet did not have access to the original writings of the Old and New Testaments, he could not bring to his people the gospel of the Book, nor proclaim to them the Messiah of the Book. Thus, according to Sweetman, "the apocryphal Christ emerged in the consciousness of Muhammad and not the Christ of the canonical Scriptures." The consequences of this tragedy still live with us today, and we cannot ignore their existence. Let me again turn to the masterly work of Dr. Sweetman:

Now, after a lapse of time in which the Christian Scriptures have remained still unknown to them, Muslims came from a newly-fixed point of view to the Old and New Testament, placed in their hands by tardy Christians. It is at first a source of gratification to them, for the Quran commends the earlier Scripture.

But when they come to examine the newly discovered book they find it does not agree at all with that to which they have gradually become accustomed. "This Gospel tells how Jesus really died and so it cannot be the INJIL which Muhammad commended. That was a revelation which God gave to Jesus, a book which marked his prophethood; but this consists of several books by disciples called Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and so they conclude that these writings are not the original Gospel but that the Jews and the Christians have corrupted the primitive revelation.

http://www.safeplace.net/members/mer/BAI-II.1.html

Views of the Bible

The Quran distinguishes between idol-worshipers and ethical monotheists who followed the Bible; the latter are called "the People of the Book": holders and followers of a written revelation. Most prominent among these were the Jews and Christians. The Quran teaches that in their original and correct form, all these books taught the essential same doctrine as taught in the Quran.

According to the Quran, to Moses, the "Tawrat" (Torah) had been revealed; to King David, the "Zubur" (Psalms); and to Jesus, the "Injil" (Evangelium). The Torah, the Psalms, and the "Gospel" represented for the author the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments. Some of the Quran seems to address a group where both Jews and Christians must have melted together into one.

Muhammad claimed to be heir to the Biblical prophets. Muhammad believed that what he taught was the same as that in the Tawrat, the Zubur, and the Injil. Objective Jews and Christians, he felt, would recognize that he was exactly such a prophet as those who had come before, and that he fulfilled all the conditions called for in the Books.

Lost books of the Bible

The Quran contains references to certain pages being delivered to the biblical patriarch Abraham; but what eventually became of them it does not say.

Doctrine of the corruption of the text

In the Quran, Allah charges the Jewish people with "falsehood" (Sura 3:71), distortion (4:46), and of being "corrupters of Scripture."

Some parts of the Quran attribute differences between Muslims and non-Muslims to tahref-ma'any, a "corruption of the meaning" of the words. In this view, the Hebrew Bible and New Testament are true, but Jews and Christians misunderstood the meaning of their own Scripture, and thus need the Quran to clearly understand the will of God. However, other parts of the Quran state that Jews and Christians used deliberately altered versions of their scripture, and had altered the word of God. This belief was developed further in medieval Islamic polemics, and is a mainstream part of both Sunni and Shi'a Islam today. This is known as the doctrine of tahref-lafzy, "the corruption of the text".

Views of the Bible

The Quran distinguishes between idol-worshipers and ethical monotheists who followed the Bible; the latter are called "the People of the Book": holders and followers of a written revelation. Most prominent among these were the Jews and Christians. The Quran teaches that in their original and correct form, all these books taught the essential same doctrine as taught in the Quran.

According to the Quran, to Moses, the "Tawrat" (Torah) had been revealed; to King David, the "Zubur" (Psalms); and to Jesus, the "Injil" (Evangelium). The Torah, the Psalms, and the "Gospel" represented for the author the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments. Some of the Quran seems to address a group where both Jews and Christians must have melted together into one.

Muhammad claimed to be heir to the Biblical prophets. Muhammad believed that what he taught was the same as that in the Tawrat, the Zubur, and the Injil. Objective Jews and Christians, he felt, would recognize that he was exactly such a prophet as those who had come before, and that he fulfilled all the conditions called for in the Books.
Lost books of the Bible

The Quran contains references to certain pages being delivered to the biblical patriarch Abraham; but what eventually became of them it does not say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_in_Islam

'The British Government has to be stopped,' said Bakri. 'Blair knows that he is wrong. And he will pay for it. We will remodel this country in an Islamic image.' Waiting until his followers stopped giggling at the vision of an Islamic state of Great Britain, Bakri continued: 'We will replace the Bible with the Koran.'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/islam/story/0,1442,587375,00.html
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[funguy]

Good stuff.

Oh Yeah. Looks impressive and it's meant to,

however its purpose is just meant to confuse. It's just charges. It's meant to try and keep you busy investigating every spurious or easily misunderstood thing anybody has ever written. It's meant to fill your head with darkness. The truth is simple and if you are a sincere seeker of the truth, when you find it, the pieces will fall into place easily--you won't have to get out the big shoehorn to try an make it all fit together.

If you are reading this and you are investigating the LDS church, see if it doesn't make sense to be aware of i.e. ask yourself this:

Where do you find the most light(spiritually speaking of course)?

I also look at the leadership of the LDS church and compare it with anything else and ask myself "who has the highest credibility", but that's just me.

It's your decision. Don't let other people make it for you.

be good

 

[Rescued One]

Oh Yeah. Looks impressive and it's meant to,

however its purpose is just meant to confuse. It's just charges. It's meant to try and keep you busy investigating every spurious or easily misunderstood thing anybody has ever written. It's meant to fill your head with darkness. The truth is simple and if you are a sincere seeker of the truth, when you find it, the pieces will fall into place easily--you won't have to get out the big shoehorn to try an make it all fit together.

If you are reading this and you are investigating the LDS church, see if it doesn't make sense to be aware of i.e. ask yourself this:

Where do you find the most light(spiritually speaking of course)?

I also look at the leadership of the LDS church and compare it with anything else and ask myself "who has the highest credibility", but that's just me.

It's your decision. Don't let other people make it for you.

be good

The most light and truth are found in Jesus Christ. People should be seeking the Savior instead of a man-made organization. Which church saves??? None!

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


John 14
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 11
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Proverbs 3
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

John 10
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Acts 4
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 8
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 8
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

John 1
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

John 6
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

 

[funguy]

The most light and truth are found in Jesus Christ. People should be seeking the Savior instead of a man-made organization. Which church saves??? None!
ETC.

I am confused about what your point is. I thought it was that no church saves. Are these scriptures put here in support of your point? If so, I don't see this. I would think it would more likely support the stance of the LDS church.

I see the church as a great tool the Lord has seen fit to bless us with to help prepare us all for eternal life. I praised God when I found out about the LDS church. You see, I was a Christian then and have been my whole life. Despite not wanting to, as I saw it, give up some pet sins, the thing that occurred to me was that I had to be honest with myself i.e. as I saw it, I owed it to myself, as a Christian, to really check out the LDS church if there was a chance that it could be what it claimed to be i.e. the organization personally restored to the Earth by the Lord for the preparation of the Earth for his second coming.

In that case, it wouldn't be a "man-made organization" unless you consider Christ to be equivalent to "man".

People talk about their religion which to me that means what you believe in. For me that means that what I believe in has to be believable and make sense. In the LDS church, the pieces increasingly fit together and actually make sense. I don't see that anywhere else to that extent and more.

By the way, I thought it was by and through the atonement of the Saviour that we are able to have and have hope in gaining salvation?