To Drink or not to Drink--That is the Question!!

[honorthesabbath]

A friend of mine likes to use this verse to show you can make the Bible say just about anything you want it to if you take it out of context and/or only use one verse:

The Bible verse that supports cigarette smoking (name brand only mind you):

Genesis 24:64 - And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel.

I thought it was cute.

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some nice person bought me a bike too Laine--but for some reason--I cannot get it to "equip"!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TrustAndObey]

Someone BOUGHT you a bike? Awesome!

Go to the "Armor" button up there and then click on "Equip special armor". Then go down to the "transportation" category. It will be listed in there and you'll have to equip it.

PaleHorse and I both want a REAL bike, but sheesh, they're really expensive. We're saving our loot.

 

[statrei]

Let's see ... Matt. 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children. (KJV)

Likewise Luke 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! (KJV)

I knew it. That winebibbing King James.

 

[statrei]

When you look at all the texts from the Bible that talk of wine being bad for you then this text cannot mean that God endorses the use of alcoholic drinks.

Actually, Cliff, the text he posted carries a great deal of weight because it states what the God felt was permissible to do with the tithe. That is moving into classified territory.

 

[statrei]

Genesis 24:64 - And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel.

I thought it was cute.

I bet you it's that King James again.

 

[honorthesabbath]

This is from the Clear Word......

Tithing

^"Remember that in addition to the Lord's tithe you are to set aside for yourselves a tenth of all that your fields produce. This second tithe is to be used for the cost of your attendance and religious activities at the festivals of the Lord. "When the time comes for these festivals, go to the place of worship that the Lord has chosen for Himself and praise Him for what He

has done for you. Be happy in His presence as you eat from your tenth of the grain, grapes, olives and meat of the firstborn animals from your flocks and herds. If you do this, you will learn to love and respect the Lord your God and appreciate what He has done for you.

^"If you live too far from the place of worship that the Lord has chosen for Himself, and you can't take along a second tithe of all the animals and goods the Lord has blessed you with, ^then sell them, take the money and go to the place of worship the Lord has chosen for Himself. ^When you get there, buy what you want to eat and drink, whether it's beef, lamb, wine,

or anything else that the Lord approves. Take your family and sit down with them to eat and drink with your heart full of gratitude for what the Lord has done for you. Enjoy yourselves and fellowship with your brothers and sisters from other parts of the country and be happy in the presence of the Lord your God. "Don't forget that the Levites who live in your cities didn't

get an inheritance like you did.

This essentially says the exact same thing as the NKJV!!!

 

[smooze]

a woman at our church gave her tith although it meant being short that month. Her daughter sent her enough money to pay her mortgage right after that, GOD is so Faithful .Praise HIM. No this lady isn't RICH but from the glory of GOD she stands to inherit the greatest gift from GOD . Eternal life with our father.AMEN

 

[honorthesabbath]

Someone BOUGHT you a bike? Awesome!

Go to the "Armor" button up there and then click on "Equip special armor". Then go down to the "transportation" category. It will be listed in there and you'll have to equip it.

PaleHorse and I both want a REAL bike, but sheesh, they're really expensive. We're saving our loot.

I have tried 4 times to do just as you said and it refuses to "equip". The bike IS in the "give" category and it even shows if I wanted to "return" it. But when I go into the special/sports category--it's not there. Isn't that weird??!!!

 

[smooze]

what does this have to do with drinking. are you too drunk to "equip" it? oh im just kidding LOL

 

[SassySDA]

I sure wouldn't want to be a translator that deliberately mistranslated scripture on Judgment Day! (Sorry, that's off topic, but it just hit me).

I looked up the original word and it is yayin. Yayin could mean wine (non-alcoholic), banquetting, or winebibber.

Regardless, as I stated before, you can't be a "one verse one-der". It does make more sense that the verse would be referring to non-alcoholic wine (grape juice) since it's talking about the Levites.

hmmmmmm, wonder where I heard that before.

And thanks to the person who quoted it correctly....I was trying like mad to find this verse, and I couldn't find ANYTHING even close to God telling us to go buy liquor, lol.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Something just hit me...the verse, the way it's translated, says (paraphrasing) "you can buy wine if that is what your soul lusteth after." If your soul is lusting after alcohol then that would mean you're already addicted. Someone that has never had alcohol cannot have a craving for it, right? I would say that by the time you've hit the "crave" stage, you're hooked.

The bible is very clear that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God, so that verse cannot be talking about alcoholic wine!

1 Corinthians 6:10 - Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

ABSOLUTELY!! Don't you just love it when the Holy Spirit whispers--"look at that text again"!!!! And then ball-peens your knoggin--and you wake and SEE what you had been over-looking??????? Praise God for the guidance from above!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SassySDA]

ABSOLUTELY!! Don't you just love it when the Holy Spirit whispers--"look at that text again"!!!! And then ball-peens your knoggin--and you wake and SEE what you had been over-looking??????? Praise God for the guidance from above!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I sure do love that, lol.

It's those moments with my Savior and The Word that get me EVERY time.

The most important thing is that we keep seeking and we keep looking.

 

[statrei]

Yeah, I sure do love that, lol.

It's those moments with my Savior and The Word that get me EVERY time.

The most important thing is that we keep seeking and we keep looking.

Do you really need a text from the Bible to tell you not to abuse alcohol? Don't say you don't use it at all. You'd be surprised where you can find it. What text is there to tell you not to use meth? Modern day brewing does not compare to brewing in ancient days. There was no 50 proof drinks in those days.

 

[honorthesabbath]

I have tried 4 times to do just as you said and it refuses to "equip". The bike IS in the "give" category and it even shows if I wanted to "return" it. But when I go into the special/sports category--it's not there. Isn't that weird??!!!

As you can tell--I found out what I was doing wrong!! rofl--So I got my bike!!!!

YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[honorthesabbath]

Where's the "double negative" police when you need them????????????????

 

[happywiththelord]

I dont know if i am behind the times on answering this, but I have been gone from the computer almost all day and I am trying to get caught up on things.


Deu 14:22-27 You shall truly tithe all the increase of your seed that the field brings forth year by year. (23) And you shall eat before Jehovah your God in the place which He shall choose to place His name there, the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the first-born of your herds and of your flocks, so that you may learn to fear Jehovah your God always. (24) And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry it, or if the place is too far from you, which Jehovah your God shall choose to set His name there, when Jehovah your God has blessed you, (25) then you shall turn it into silver and bind up the silver in your hand, and shall go to the place which Jehovah your God shall choose. (26) And you shall pay that silver for whatever your soul desires, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatever your soul desires. And you shall eat there before Jehovah your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household (27) and the Levite within your gates, you shall not forsake him, for he has no part nor inheritance with you.




The context of this verse i sneeded to clarify the thought of the writer. It is apparent from verse 22 that he is talking about the use of the second tithe. "Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase." the frist tithe had already been specifically allotted to th eLevites (Numbers 18:21,24). Some of this second tithe was to be given to the strangers and the widows (Deuteronomy 14:29, 26,12-15).

In verse 23, God told the israelities to journey to the place He would designate and present the tithe to Him there-no doubt, at the tabernacle. In verses 24 and 25, they were permitted to change the corn, cattle, etc., into the equivalent cash if the way was too long to travel with produce and herds.

In verse 26, God gave instruction for the money to be turned back into an offering for Him after reaching the holy place. But instead of prescribing the exact offering, He told them they could present whatever they desired. Some have been confused by God's listing strong drink among the other offerings that they were permitted. But please notice that this wine was not to be drunk-it was to be poured out as an offering before the Lord. God described the act in Numbers 28:7, "In the holy place shalt thou cause the strong wine to be poured unto the Lord for a drink offering."

Take note that all the items suggested by God for the money to be invested in were offerings to Him. Some have stumbled over the wording, "whatsoever they soul lusteth after" and "whatsoever they soul desireth." Remember that God is talking to his faithful people who are tithing. He assumes that they are not going to desire evil things as an offering to Him. The Psalmist said, "Delight thyself also in the Lord: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart." Psalm 37:4. For God's people, those desires would be their own choice of acceptable offerings and gifts to present to their Lord.

Just so i give credit where credit is due, i got that from a little booklet from an author named Joe Crews. But i think it should help answer this question.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Very Good Happy!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TrustAndObey]

It's also interesting to note that the verse says "ye shall eat there before Jehovah...." It never says a word about ingesting the strong drink.

 

[StormyOne]

Why would God give permission for the COI to buy wine or strong drink and then they not drink it?

 

[Cliff2]

Why would God give permission for the COI to buy wine or strong drink and then they not drink it?

I do not know what the answer is but I do not that God does not change. God has said so many times in the Bible that strong drink is to be avoided so this time as well it is to be avoided.

It could be that there is something missing that we have not seen and something that has been added.

Take Mark 7:18,19

There are words that have been added that is not in the original. How do we know that it is not the same here.

18And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? (KJV)

18"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? 19For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.") (NIV)

The extra that has been put there by the translators gives the text a new meaning that was never there.

I am not saying that is what has happened here but when a difficulty arises let's look beyond the apparent problems and look at the big picture.