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[CaDan]

Red Wolf: I want to be absolutely clear here.

Is it your claim that Roman Catholics worship the Pope in the same manner as you worship God?

No prevarications, no pictures, no quotes from obscure publications.

Simply answer the question.

 

[linssue55]

You pronounce the pope as god, yet you claim you do not worship him. God's are worshipped, are they not, and they do, indeed, require adoration?

The Catholic church declares that you must bow before and display acts of worship unto a MAN called Pope. The very

words of these Popes are such that they proclaim themselves "God on earth" for all Catholic to adore...
"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself" -Catholic National July 1895.

The priest above? He looks worshipful.


"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" -Pope Leo XIII

The title "Lord God the Pope" is found within a gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4

But, the Bible says that Jesus is the head ...... Has He abdicated?

"And ye are complete in him (Jesus), which is the head of all principality and power:" Colossians 2:10 "And he (Christ) is the head of the body, the church..." Colossians 1:18

So, you guys say that all you do is venerate the pope. Actually, it's no different from worship.

One entry found for venerate.
Entry Word: venerate
Function: verb
Text: to offer honor or respect to (someone) as a divine power <a proper setting in which to venerate God> -- see [SIZE=-1]WORSHIP [/SIZE]1

Where do you come up with this stuff? It's great......it really proves the point. Keep up the good work.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

So, you agree with all this pope is god stuff? Don't you wonder about how the REAL GOD might feel about that? May be He thinks that's blasphemy?

This in response to my statement
As much as I disagree with Rome on important issues, and as much as I object to pontiff maximus in the same manner that I object to papal primacy, I am not convinced or even persuaded that Roman popes take such titles 'to themselves.'
Doesn't look like I even agree in papal primacy, let alone 'pope as God'- whatever that means.

 

[Redwolf]

well Paul does say to the Corinthians that they may have ten thousand teachers but only he has begotten them in Jesus Christ and that they are to imitate him.

That is so true. But, what about him does he want them to imitate?
Swilling beer in the cantina or finding comfort from the harlots on Fifth Avenue?
Most likely that is not what he had in mind.

 

[CaDan]

Where do you come up with this stuff? It's great......it really proves the point. Keep up the good work.

Oh, right here:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Roman Catholicism/catholic_idols.htm

Lots of ramblings quoted out of context.

It's fun!

 

[Oblio]

Where do you come up with this stuff? It's great......it really proves the point. Keep up the good work.

My guess is from the heretics over at TMBTSNBN

 

[Redwolf]

i was responding to this:



so after the Apostles died was the Church supposed to have no visible leaders?

None guilty of scriptural infractions.

 

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Really brave there.

 

[linssue55]

You said:




Sure, that can happen, but if your post is being reported just because someone is upset that you made a post that disagrees with their philosopy or theology, you will not be contacted and the report will be denied. The fact that you were contacted means that you were not clearly within the rules, for if you were the report would have been denied without any further action.

This is what happened.

Now let's get back to the question of the OP, for this is Hyjacking the thread. Thank you.

 

[Oblio]

Now let's get back to the question of the OP, for this is Hyjacking the thread. Thank you.

Saith the one who made the bold claim of being reported all the time

As you wish ...

 

[Redwolf]

why do you say REAL GOD as if there is a fake God?

All kinds of fakes.
Pope would be fake, and legions of others.
No?

 

[CaDan]

Now let's get back to the question of the OP, for this is Hyjacking the thread. Thank you.

We're taking this thread to Rome!

Oblio, wave that Super Soaker around a bit.

 

[linssue55]

Oh, right here:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/catholic_idols.htm

Lots of ramblings quoted out of context.

It's fun!

Thanks! Loads of stuff on there.

 

[CaDan]

Thanks! Loads of stuff on there.

If you're into that MySpace kinda thing, I guess.

 

[Redwolf]

i think very few of hte Popes have delusions of grandeur despite what your Protestantism demands you think.

Here's a bit of a different angle for you.

"And so from this rotten source of indifferentism flows that absurd and erroneous opinion, or rather insanity, that liberty of conscience must be claimed and defended for anyone." (Pope Gregory XVI) "For surely you know, Venerable Brothers, not a few are found who, applying the impious and absurd principles of naturalism, as they call it, to civil society, dare to teach that the "best plan for public society and civil progress absolutely requires that human society be established and governed with no regard to religion, as if it did not exist, or at least, without making distinction between the true and the false religions." (Pope Pius IX)
"And also, contrary to the teaching of Sacred Scripture, of the Church, and of the most holy Fathers, they do not hesitate to assert that the best condition of society is the one in which there is no acknowledgment by the government of the duty of restraining, by established penalties, offenders of the Catholic religion, except insofar as the public peace demands." (Pope Pius IX)


How do you like them apples?
Well, if his claim of godhood didn't bother you, neither will this.

 

[CaDan]

Deus Caritas Est.

Good reading.

And will you answer the question I posed earlier?

 

[jckstraw72]

You pronounce the pope as god, yet you claim you do not worship him. God's are worshipped, are they not, and they do, indeed, require adoration?

are you intentionally rude or just woefully ignorant of Catholicism?
1, IM NOT EVEN CATHOLIC
2. NO CATHOLIC CALLS THE POPE GOD NOR DO THEY WORSHIP HIM. YOU ARE 100% WRONG!!

 

[Redwolf]

1 Cor 2:15

"The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment."

To discern the good from the evil.

Heb 5:14
"But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil."

A relationship with Christ is not Borg. It is one on one.
Membership in the RCC and you are saved. Egads, no!

 

[jckstraw72]

How do you like them apples?
Well, if his claim of godhood didn't bother you, neither will this.

1. the Pope has never claimed to be God. You should take a lesson in manners. Spreading false information would probably be discouraged
2. that quote had nothing to do with anything. How dare the Pope fight aganist a secularized society!!

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

1. EG White is not the subject of the OP and so it is OT to bring her into the discussion.

Nor was premillenialism, yet you responded to that without any objection. Perhaps you object because this involves you?

2. EG White NEVER refered to herself as a prophetess. I challenge you to PM me with a quote from her where she refered to herself as a prophetess.

Semantics. She claimed to be receiving visions from God, but didn't want to be called a prophetess. She did refer to herself as 'the Lord's messenger" which is exactly what prophetes means (speak forth)
Chiefly she wished not to be called a prophet because she believed her work included "much more than
the word 'prophet' signifies" (E.G. White Selected Messages 1:32)
Of course, my comment was an allusion to a certain scripture, rather than a comment on what Ms White referred to herself as.

3. I would also point out that EG White lived a very humble and modest lifestyle as opposed to the lavish lifestyle of the Papacy.

Since you are discussing her, I would point out that she said that the world would end in 1843.

James you are about as acurate here as you were on the calendar post.

Nice lil zinger. Needless to say, I graciously accepted corrective input.
In this instance, Neither of us are wrong: I was tongue-in-cheek, and you are playing at semantics.

Now please, don't let me get in the way of the savaging of Rome.
Proceed.