Titles

[Redwolf]

Who gave these titles to the pope?

• "Most Divine of all Heads."
• "Holy Father of Fathers."
• "Pontiff Supreme Over Prelates."
• "Overseer of the Christian Religion."
• "Pastor of Pastors."
• "Christ by Unction."
• "Abraham by Patriachate."
• "Melchisedec in Order."
• "Moses in Authority."
• "Samuel in the Judicial Office."
• "High Priest, Supreme Bishop."
• "Heir to the Apostles; Peter in Power."
• "Key-bearer of the Kingdom of Heaven."
• "Pontiff Appointed with Plenitude of Power."
• "Vicar of Christ."
• "Vicar of the Son of God."
• "Sovereign Priest."
• "Head of all the Holy Churches."
• "Chief of the Universal Church."
• "Bishop of Bishops."
• "Ruler of the House of the Lord."
• "Apostolic Lord and Father of Fathers."
• "Chief Pastor and Teacher."
• "Physician of Souls."
• "Rock against which the proud gates of hell prevail not."
• "Infallible Pope."
• "Head of All the Holy Priests of God"
• "Chief bridge maker"

Is it me, or is this excessive?

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] "The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God...[/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] "The Pope alone is called most holy...[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] "Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of hell.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] "Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] "So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope....[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] "...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.

Is this possible? I hope our Catholic friends can shed some light on these perplexities. What on earth could prompt a man to call himself God? I don't understand it. He's just a man.

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[Tonks]

I think that he needs a few more. Your post doesn't scroll a full page yet.

 

[EricTheRed]

hmmmm, yes you need a full page before you can say the Pope is the antichrist...sorry feel free to try again

 

[CaDan]

The Internet Pontifical Title Generator. Duh.

 

[woobadooba]

I think that he needs a few more. Your post doesn't scroll a full page yet.

But he does have a valid point.

Even when Jesus Himself walked the earth He wasn't given as many titles.

 

[CaDan]

But he does have a valid point.

Even when Jesus Himself walked the earth He wasn't given as many titles.

Well, once you have the big I AM, the others are sort of superfluous.

It's like, who cares if Superman can made a really good Martini? He's Superman!

 

[woobadooba]

Well, once you have the big I AM, the others are sort of superfluous.

It's like, who cares if Superman can made a really good Martini? He's Superman!

What I think is so amazing about Jesus is that He is all powerful, and yet He is also the meekest of the meek.

If only we would be like this...

 

[Dragons87]

Is the Pope ever called my Brother?

 

[CaDan]

Is the Pope ever called my Brother?

"I am John, your brother"

Good Pope John XXIII

 

[lmnop9876]

what need was there for this thread?

 

[woobadooba]

what need was there for this thread?

Maybe the point of it is to question why so much holy emphasis is placed on the Pope and so little on Jesus.

What do you think?

 

[sempervirens]

Maybe the point of it is to question why so much holy emphasis is placed on the Pope and so little on Jesus.

Non-catholics seem to focus on the Pope more than catholics do - honest. We mention him once in our liturgy, towards the end of the eucharistic prayer:

"Lord, may this sacrifice, which has made our peace with you, advance the peace and salvation of all the world. Strengthen in faith and love your pilgrim Church on earth; your servant, Pope N., our bishop N., and all the bishops, with the clergy and the entire people your Son has gained for you. Father, hear the prayers of the family you have gathered here before you. In mercy and love unite all your children wherever they may be."

I think all that list shows is how long 2,000 years really is - the title I think of him as is "Servant of the Servants of God" - which Paul VI adopted after Vatican II. Also its tough to imagine someone more radically Christocentric than Benedict XVI.

 

[woobadooba]

Non-catholics seem to focus on the Pope more than catholics do

You are probably right. lol

 

[ThreeAM]

You missed one "Sweet Christ on Earth"

 

[CaDan]

And
"The King of the Delta Blues".

 

[Redwolf]

hmmmm, yes you need a full page before you can say the Pope is the antichrist...sorry feel free to try again

You may actually have something there.

2 Thessalonians 2:4 says,"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

Still, you did not say how you feel about all this hoopla ...........not even a hiccup over this 'god on earth' thingie.

I might as well call you the same thing, being just a man.

 

[lionroar0]

You may actually have something there.

2 Thessalonians 2:4 says,"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

Still, you did not say how you feel about all this hoopla ...........not even a hiccup over this 'god on earth' thingie.

I might as well call you the same thing, being just a man.

Wait you forgot that the anti-christ is supposed to die and comeback top life.

Peace

 

[Redwolf]

"I am John, your brother"

Good Pope John XXIII

This is always such interesting stuff.
Criticism

Sedevacantist and Conclavist groups on the right of the Catholic Church have been some of Pope John's most outspoken critics. Some groups have even made unsubstantiated claims that John was a Freemason, and as such, allegedly could not be a valid Pope since Catholics were forbidden at that time from joining Freemasonry under pain of excommunication. On that basis one group, the Montana-based true Catholic Church elected one of its priests as pope in the 1990s, claiming that there had been no valid pope since Pope Pius XII died in 1958.
Some also make the claim that John's choice of regnal name marked him as an antipope, as the name John had lain unused since Antipope John XXIII used it in the 14th century (other Popes have similarly used names taken by anti-popes, for example Benedict XIV).
Many who subscribe to the teachings of Our Lady of Fatima also believe that Pope John deliberately withheld secret prophetic information revealed by an apparition of the Virgin Mary. [1] This is perhaps the basis for internet reports in the late 1990s about the supposed discovery of Pope John's diary where he received prophetic insight into the future, including the return of Jesus in New York in 2000. [2]
Although Pope John did have a diary there is no evidence in it to suggest that he received apocalyptic visions of the future. [3]

You gotta look up the first John XXIII. It's a gas!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_XXIII#Criticism

 

[Redwolf]

what need was there for this thread?

persistent curiosity insisting

 

[Redwolf]

You missed one "Sweet Christ on Earth"

Catherine of Siena