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...Is it wrong that we put the money into what the church needs instead of tithing it directly to the Pastor? ... ...Are we wrong? At what point do we stop being blind and start holding those in position accountable?...

I have understood from the Bible that:

- Giving money is voluntary
While you kept it, didn't it remain your own? After it was sold, wasn't it in your power? How is it that you have conceived this thing in your heart? You haven't lied to men, but to God."
Acts 5:4

- It was meant to be shared for those who are in need, not for the leaders.
As it is written, "He who gathered much had nothing left over, and he who gathered little had no lack."
2 Cor. 8:15
Did I take advantage of you by anyone of them whom I have sent to you?
2 Cor. 12:17

- Leaders who wants your money
In covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words: whose sentence now from of old doesn't linger, and their destruction will not slumber.
2 Peter 2:3
“…If he asks for money, he is a false prophet… … But whoever says in the Spirit, Give me money, or something else, you shall not listen to him. But if he tells you to give for others' sake who are in need, let no one judge him.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html
 
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The tithe, Paul said that there was of necessity a change in the Law concerning the priesthood of the Levites, it is now the priesthood after the order of Melchizedek aka Christ and the tithe is to be given to those ministers of Christ. I would think that after much prayer for guidance on what to do God will show you. In the mean time trust God to take care of His own money which is the tithe. You're not giving it to a man you are giving it to God.
 
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Firstly, God bless you and your honest and genuine efforts to serve our Savior. Secondly, you have done right to put your effort in where it's most needed.

There is no Christian requirement to 'tithe' but merely to give according to your ability. The other issue is that giving isn't just about money. One thing that is far more valuable than money is your time. It's a finite resource which should be spent wisely and in the service of God.

Your Pastor sounds like a lazy individual and perhaps he should be 'tithing' his time more! It may also be an interesting excersise to put a financial value to your physical work and perhaps charge your time out at craftsman's rates. say $50 per hour and next time someone challenges you wave the bill under their nose.
 
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At no time were first-century Christians commanded to pay tithes. The primary purpose of the tithing arrangement under the Law had been to support Israel’s temple and priesthood; consequently the obligation to pay tithes ceased when that Mosaic Law covenant came to an end as fulfilled, through Christ’s death on the torture stake.-Ephesians 2:15; Colossians 2:13, 14.

As Christians, they were encouraged to give support to the Christian ministry both by their own ministerial activity and by material contributions. Instead of giving fixed, specified amounts to defray congregational expenses, they were to contribute “according to what a person has,” giving “as he has resolved in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” (2 Corinthians 8:12; 9:7) Note that original apostles were not financially compensated; and, the apostle Paul set an example in seeking to avoid bringing an undue financial burden on the congregation.-Acts 18:3; 1 Thessalonians 2:9.
 
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I am grateful to be a part of a local church which has very little in the way of financial needs so that most of the offerings go to missionaries and we are encouraged to use our resources as God directs, not according to some legalistic formula which we can use to salve our conscience.

That said, yesterday we sang a peculiar hymn, "Have I Done My Best for Jesus?" The implication of the hymn was that we must "do our best" to please God. The reality is, of course, that "our best" is filthy rags in God's sight and we can never possibly please God in our own efforts. He loves us despite who we are (sinners) rather than what we do.
 
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Hello. Does your church have a plurality of elders and deacons? A treasurer? A renumeration committee? More accountability might be worth looking into. God Bless

Yes we have elders and deacons and a treasurer. There is no remuneration committee probably because we are actually quite small and not a lot of funds are collected.
 
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Yes we have elders and deacons and a treasurer. There is no remuneration committee probably because we are actually quite small and not a lot of funds are collected.

Hello friend, thanks for your reply. That would be my advice then. A renumeration committee, the treasurer, the secretary, deacons, elders and several members appointed by the congregation, to the amount of about seven. They independent of the pastor and all others to set a fair wage for church staff in accordance with the income. And as the pastor likes 10% tithing so much, a tenth of his wage to be deducted and used to pay for the things around the church that the members require.

Having one man in charge like a little god is not the NT way, IMO. A plurality of elders and deacons appointed by the congregation, that's the way.

God Bless
 
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I have a much simpler solution. Ditch the pastor and the remuneration committee. It makes everything much better and easier. Our members don't have any special things they require around the church, so most of the money collected goes to missionaries and others outside the church.
 
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I know this is a late reply, but...
As a Catholic, my Church never preaches tithing, and my average parish in my diocese gets about 5K per week. Our pastors make $30K a year, and the rest is for utilities, upkeep and a tax to the diocese, basically.
We operate on the premise that it's all God, and He provides us this stipend. We should give some to the Church, the poor, and so on (to live the corporal works of mercy), and should share our talent with the church (to live the spiritual works of mercy). It's all His.
If the pastor's message is good, he'd draw more people regardless of the conditions of chairs and sound system and so on. That stuff is kinda irrelevant, though nice to have. (We just bought equipment for doing video presentations to our confirmation classes, but have done without for years).

So if you act as if it's all his, and you're the steward of the talent, do what your conscience tells you. Pray about it, and go for it.
 
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That's good then, but somehow I don't think it will help the brother in the OP. God Bless
 
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