Tithe

[Melodi]

The husband & wife are christian, the husband is slipping and both work, the husband no longer feels it necessary to tithe but the wife does. The wife is looking for scripture that gives here direction in what she should do? She is still tithing because that is one of God commands, but she is also aware that she needs to be submissive to her husband.

 

[bliz]

She should look to I Samuel 25 where she will read about Abigail. Abigail knew her husband's wishes on a particular matter, but made a decision to do what she thought was best. Several days later her husband was struck dead and Abigail was praised for her actions.

We are all instructed to obey God rather than man, and that includes husbands, when their wishes conflict with God's commands. Just as children are to obey their parents, unless their parents are telling them to go against God's laws. God's commands must come first.

 

[desi]

She should look to I Samuel 25 where she will read about Abigail. Abigail knew her husband's wishes on a particular matter, but made a decision to do what she thought was best. Several days later her husband was struck dead and Abigail was praised for her actions.

She saved her husband's life by disobeying him, in doing so she honored him.

We are all instructed to obey God rather than man, and that includes husbands, when their wishes conflict with God's commands. Just as children are to obey their parents, unless their parents are telling them to go against God's laws. God's commands must come first.

When God's commands are to obey your husband as your master the choice is clear. When the master is in danger of being killed, it takes an act of courage and love to disobey their master to save his life. Do you have such courage and love in mind?

 

[Melodi]

She saved her husband's life by disobeying him, in doing so she honored him.


When God's commands are to obey your husband as your master the choice is clear. When the master is in danger of being killed, it takes an act of courage and love to disobey their master to save his life. Do you have such courage and love in mind?

1 Samuel 25 is awesome, do you know of scripture in the new New Testiment, that supports the same?

 

[desi]

1 Samuel 25 is awesome, do you know of scripture in the new New Testiment, that supports the same?

I don't. 1 Samuel 25 seems to be a unique case except for Ezra who used a Godly sort of guile to similar ends.

 

[bliz]

I do not have a NT reference that shows a woman disregarding her husband's will to do what was right.

But there are examples of women doing what God called them to do without a reference to discussing the matter with their husbands and without their husbands direction. OT - we have Hannah taking either a 5 year old bull or 5 bulls - either way, a tremendous offering, to sacrifice them in thanks for her Son Samuel. When the angel approaches Mary about the Son of God coming to live in her body, she does not consult her father or Joseph, she directly answers that she is willing.

In the day of final judgement, we will all stand by ourselves before God. Husbands and wives do not stand as a team. When God asks a wife to account for her actions, she cannot point to her husband and say "I did what he told me to do." The issue is, did she do what God told her to do.

I do not envision that if a husband and wife are both seeking God's face that this will happen often in a marriage, if at all. On the other hand, husbands are not suddennly released from the effects of The Fall on the day they marry. But if this kind of conflict does happen, it is a no brainer. We must obey God rather than man. Note: God. Not the church, not our parents, not our best friends.

 

[desi]

I do not have a NT reference that shows a woman disregarding her husband's will to do what was right.

But there are examples of women doing what God called them to do without a reference to discussing the matter with their husbands and without their husbands direction. OT - we have Hannah taking either a 5 year old bull or 5 bulls - either way, a tremendous offering, to sacrifice them in thanks for her Son Samuel. When the angel approaches Mary about the Son of God coming to live in her body, she does not consult her father or Joseph, she directly answers that she is willing.

In the day of final judgement, we will all stand by ourselves before God. Husbands and wives do not stand as a team. When God asks a wife to account for her actions, she cannot point to her husband and say "I did what he told me to do." The issue is, did she do what God told her to do.

I do not envision that if a husband and wife are both seeking God's face that this will happen often in a marriage, if at all. On the other hand, husbands are not suddennly released from the effects of The Fall on the day they marry. But if this kind of conflict does happen, it is a no brainer. We must obey God rather than man. Note: God. Not the church, not our parents, not our best friends.

Should God ask you why you did not honor your husband with obediance as the Bible requires what will you say?

 

[Whitestone]

Col 3:18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

I take this exerpt as to wives should submit to their husbands as long as their husband is not asking them to do anything contrary to the Lord.

If your husband wishes not to tithe let him he will have to answer to God for his actions. If your husband ask you not to tithe, I say ask him where in scripture did Jesus make us exempt from tithing, but that is just me.

Personal note, as long as my wife and I have tithed regularly we have been blessed with our finances. We are not rich but there never seems to be stress of making sure ends meet.

Whitestone

 

[desi]

Col 3:18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

I take this exerpt as to wives should submit to their husbands as long as their husband is not asking them to do anything contrary to the Lord.

This verse means it is fitting in the Lord for wives to submit to their husbands.

 

[bliz]

Desi -

Are you saying that the command for wifes to submit to their husbands trumps all other commands?

God has told us that stealing is wrong. If my husband tells me to steal, what should I do?

 

[KleinerApfel]

I agree you are responsible before God for your own actions, but also you need to make any disagreements with your spouse as peaceful as possible, and be sure to only pursue those things that matter most.

The first question is:

Is tithing actually a New testament command?

I believe that it was an OT command, and we are now to give freely and joyfully whatever things God places in our hearts.

To give your from your own income should be no problem, but if your wage is important to the family income and your husband is resentful of you giving so much, maybe God would be satisfied with less for the time being in order to preserve the marital relationship?

Really this problem is secondary to your husband's drifting away from God though isn't it? That is the thing to work and pray for.

God bless, Susana

 

[desi]

Desi -

Are you saying that the command for wifes to submit to their husbands trumps all other commands?

It doesn't trump them, it is on par with them.

God has told us that stealing is wrong. If my husband tells me to steal, what should I do?

Find out why your husband wants you to steal and try to find another way to get what he wants as stealing in your husband's name would dishonor him and you.

 

[bliz]

Your answer is a cop out.

Bottom line: if God says to do A and a husband says to do B, which is the wife to do?

 

[Melodi]

Desi -

Are you saying that the command for wifes to submit to their husbands trumps all other commands?

God has told us that stealing is wrong. If my husband tells me to steal, what should I do?

Stealing is an immoral act against another. There is no Love involved in stealing and we are to be Christ like..are we not?

Tithing is to be conducted out of Love and honor for our lord.
I want to thank you for all of your assistance in this matter. I have been researching for 7 days and with the 1 Sammual 25, reference you have
supplied helped greatly.

I found what my heart is on unevenly yoked and tithing nad here it is:

We all know God tells us to tithe 10% of our earnings + some...
The Lord also tells us in 1 Peter 3:1 - Wives be submissive to your husbands so that if any of them do not believe the word they may be won over by the behavior of thier wives.
Wives are to be a quite & gentle spirit, it does not mean we have to say nothing of never express who we are, it just means we do not to provoke our husbands to anger unnecessarily. (1 Corithians 7:16) - You wives must remember that your husbands might be converted because of you.
(1 Corinthians 7:14) -For the Christian wife brings holiness to the family.

Remember, when God brings two togther in marriage they become one and so do their earnings. If the husband is head of the household and does not agree with tithing, then we have to look at the wonderful scripture of (1 Sammmel 25), The message here is: The wife can find other means in which she can contribute to the house of the Lord, and pray for the Holy Spirit to convict her husband.The lord will deal with her husband as for only the Lord knows his heart. This is all done in LOVE to glorify the Lord. Life is longsuffering and we have to hang in there for one day we will ALL individully stand before the throne on judgement day and I do want to hear Good say Good & Faithful servant.

Take Care and God Bless..

 

[Whitestone]

Great post Melodi, and I am glad you found the answers you were looking for.

 

[desi]

Your answer is a cop out.

Bottom line: if God says to do A and a husband says to do B, which is the wife to do?

Both

 

[inHisgrip]

I agree with the Lord is my banner on this one.
If the giving is not coming from the heart, don't give.
See if you and your husband can agree on an amount that is good for both of you.
In Him

 

[Abiel]

Your answer is a cop out.

Bottom line: if God says to do A and a husband says to do B, which is the wife to do?

i am a christian tither married to a non-christian. i tithe what is mine. The income which comes into the marriage isn't mine- it's ours. It's not mine to tithe. But I have money of my own, we both do (pocket money, if you like) From this i tithe and more besides. Sometimes God leads me to give all that is mine, knowing that i am provided for.

Unless you have separate finances, i dont see how you can tithe family money against your husbands wishes.

 

[Jenna]

Here is my way of looking at things. Of course you are always free to take it or leave it, as you will.

If a woman is submitting to her husband, and he says not to take a portion of their household fund, then to do so is to not only disobey, but to steal. There is no honor in stealing. If a woman has her own personal money and chooses to tithe with that, then she is doing a good service and being self-sacrificing. If there is no way for a woman to tithe without taking from her husband what he does not wish to give, then as the head of the home, he is responsible for the lack of a tithe. However, if a woman's heart is convicted to give, then there are many, many areas and ways that she can give of herself that don't involve taking from her husband. A devotion of time and engergy go a long way in saving costs to the church body, and are just as needed and valued as writing out a check. In that manner, a woman could do what she feels called to without going behind her husband's back and creating strife in their marriage.

 

[Abiel]

Here is my way of looking at things. Of course you are always free to take it or leave it, as you will.

If a woman is submitting to her husband, and he says not to take a portion of their household fund, then to do so is to not only disobey, but to steal. There is no honor in stealing. If a woman has her own personal money and chooses to tithe with that, then she is doing a good service and being self-sacrificing. If there is no way for a woman to tithe without taking from her husband what he does not wish to give, then as the head of the home, he is responsible for the lack of a tithe. However, if a woman's heart is convicted to give, then there are many, many areas and ways that she can give of herself that don't involve taking from her husband. A devotion of time and engergy go a long way in saving costs to the church body, and are just as needed and valued as writing out a check. In that manner, a woman could do what she feels called to without going behind her husband's back and creating strife in their marriage.

well said! and put much better than i did. there is so much work to do, plenty of opportunities to serve