Time For This Challenge Again

[AnotherAtheist]

Evolution doesn't happen in labs.

But, it does.

E. coli long-term evolution experiment - Wikipedia

Experimental evolution - Wikipedia

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in the lab

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/11/161129152743.htm

 

[HitchSlap]

But, it does.

E. coli long-term evolution experiment - Wikipedia

Experimental evolution - Wikipedia

Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in the lab

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/11/161129152743.htm

I’m aware. However my response was specifically to the creationist canard that if something is not repeatable in a lab, then it must not be science.

ETA: specifically human evolution

(Yes, creationists actually make this claim)

 

[AnotherAtheist]

I’m aware. However my response was specifically to the creationist canard that if something is not repeatable in a lab, then it must not be science.

ETA: specifically human evolution

(Yes, creationists actually make this claim)

I see your point.

Of course, tests for genetic similarity (as an example) are repeatable in a lab, but I've seen requests for the entire evolution of humans from 'monkeys' to be done.

 

[bhsmte]

You can't be serious. Why else are you guys here?

I am here for the entertainment. I dont care what someone believes. Now, watching people trying to support their belief, is where the entertinment value comes in.

 

[HitchSlap]

I see your point.

Of course, tests for genetic similarity (as an example) are repeatable in a lab, but I've seen requests for the entire evolution of humans from 'monkeys' to be done.

Thus, my response.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I am here for the entertainment. I dont care what someone believes. Now, watching people trying to support their belief, is where the entertinment value comes in.

Very little in life can be supported to the satisfaction of another.

"One man's meat is another man's poison."

 

[Greg Merrill]

And why should we care what the bible, or any other book, says?

Why? Because people will be ETERNALLY judged by God according to that book! That is why. That book is God's Word, which He had men write down. It is not a book by man, that is untrustworthy, having contradictions and errors as men want to argue regarding certain translations. That is an old and ongoing subject, but not the topic of this thread. One can disagree, not believe, but when all is said and done, people will still be judged according to "God's book, the Bible."

 

[bhsmte]

Why? Because people will be ETERNALLY judged by God according to that book! That is why. That book is God's Word, which He had men write down. It is not a book by man, that is untrustworthy, having contradictions and errors as men want to argue regarding certain translations. That is an old and ongoing subject, but not the topic of this thread. One can disagree, not believe, but when all is said and done, people will still be judged according to "God's book, the Bible."

Your opinion is noted.

 

[Greg Merrill]

Because if you don't, then Creationists have nothing at all and our debate grinds to a halt.

Without the Bible, it is true, Creationists, Christians have nothing to debate when it comes to the subject of creation. That is a "no-brainer." Truth is "We do have a Bible, whose "author" is God, Who used human authors under His perfect control, to pen original manuscripts that were the perfect Word of God, without error or contraction, trustworthy, and the text by which every individual will be judged.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Evolution doesn't happen in labs.

Where is evolution observed?

 

[TheFriendlyAtheist]

"Where do they do this?" Really? Dude, your on a Christian website. The vast majority of atheists here spend countless hours trying to prove God doesn't exist.

My statement still stands.

So if the Atheist truly believes God doesn't exist why do a lot of them spend so much time trying to prove he doesn't exist? If you truly believe something doesn't exist it would only be logical to not waste a moment of time trying to disprove it, since it does not exist.

A couple of reasons. One reason is tat we live in a democracy with a majority of Christians. If we want to be able to criticize that method of coming to sound policy it helps to know what their methodology is and what they believe. Another reason is that atheists are often stereotyped in very negative ways that don't get refuted enough, particularly when it comes to morals. We get preached to and judged constantly for not believing and it's nice to be able to respond intelligently. For some they feel religion has hurt them in their life and they want to prevent others from getting hurt. And lastly philosophy is fun. It's fun to discuss these things with people, particularly those who disagree.

 

[Greg Merrill]

And if you look more closely, you'll notice that your beliefs do not hold up.
You're some 160 years behind.

Christian beliefs, if according to the Word of God (The Bible) to hold up, and hold up quite well. It is the one that rejects the Word of God that will reject Creationism. There is tons of evidence verifying both Creationism and the Word of God. It is the "evidence" that the evolutionist submits to support their position that keeps proving to be so unworthy, and only worthy of rejection.

 

[Greg Merrill]

No scientist does that.

Instead, scientists don't rule god "in", for the simple fact that god shows up nowhere.

Things without detectable manifestation, impact or influence in natural phenomena are not included as any kind of a factor.

On the contrary, scientists have been taught not to try to figure God into their evaluations or conclusions. Also, God and His work is highly detectable in natural phenomenon, whether some people see it or not. Many scientists in history have attested to the detectable manifestation of God in His creation. Some scientists in history have even made discoveries of God's work after reading in the Bible what God has had written down. For instance Matthew Maury's discovery of currents in the ocean after reading Psalms 8:8's reference to the "paths of the seas." Columbus is said to have had faith to sail beyond the supposed flat earth's horizon, having read of the "circle of the earth" in Isaiah 40:22. Of course skeptics will always stay up late at night dreaming up rebuttals to try to prop up their own rejection of God's Word in order to maintain their own bias and disbelief in it.

 

[TheFriendlyAtheist]

Oh and most atheists don't take the position that "God absolutely does not exist" we more often take the position that "I'm not convinced God exists." It's a subtle difference but it is important. It's like a court case, we don't prove guilt or innocence we judge between guilty and not guilty. That means a jury of atheists would find God has not been proven to exist (guilty of existence) so we would have to rule innocent (not guilty of existing). The burden of proof has not been met.

It's impossible to prove something doesn't exist because the only possible evidence of something not existing is an absence of evidence. So we will probably never be able to prove God doesn't exist but we can make a case that he is no more real than Zeus or Osiris.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And if you look more closely, you'll notice that your beliefs do not hold up.
You're some 160 years behind.

All of my beliefs 'hold up'. They are timeless.

 

[bhsmte]

On the contrary, scientists have been taught not to try to figure God into their evaluations or conclusions. Also, God and His work is highly detectable in natural phenomenon, whether some people see it or not. Many scientists in history have attested to the detectable manifestation of God in His creation. Some scientists in history have even made discoveries of God's work after reading in the Bible what God has had written down. For instance Matthew Maury's discovery of currents in the ocean after reading Psalms 8:8's reference to the "paths of the seas." Columbus is said to have had faith to sail beyond the supposed flat earth's horizon, having read of the "circle of the earth" in Isaiah 40:22. Of course skeptics will always stay up late at night dreaming up rebuttals to try to prop up their own rejection of God's Word in order to maintain their own bias and disbelief in it.

You must be reading different science than I do.

 

[bhsmte]

All of my beliefs 'hold up'. They are timeless.

And, if you really believe that deep down, then hey, more power to you.

 

[TheFriendlyAtheist]

On the contrary, scientists have been taught not to try to figure God into their evaluations or conclusions. Also, God and His work is highly detectable in natural phenomenon, whether some people see it or not. Many scientists in history have attested to the detectable manifestation of God in His creation. Some scientists in history have even made discoveries of God's work after reading in the Bible what God has had written down. For instance Matthew Maury's discovery of currents in the ocean after reading Psalms 8:8's reference to the "paths of the seas." Columbus is said to have had faith to sail beyond the supposed flat earth's horizon, having read of the "circle of the earth" in Isaiah 40:22. Of course skeptics will always stay up late at night dreaming up rebuttals to try to prop up their own rejection of God's Word in order to maintain their own bias and disbelief in it.

Scientists do there experiments with the assumption that there will be no divine influence in that experiment. If they did it would cause them to doubt their observations and results. Whether or not a scientist believes in God (which many do) is irrelevant to their work in the lab.

 

[HitchSlap]

Where is evolution observed?

In our DNA.

 

[HitchSlap]

On the contrary, scientists have been taught not to try to figure God into their evaluations or conclusions. Also, God and His work is highly detectable in natural phenomenon, whether some people see it or not. Many scientists in history have attested to the detectable manifestation of God in His creation. Some scientists in history have even made discoveries of God's work after reading in the Bible what God has had written down. For instance Matthew Maury's discovery of currents in the ocean after reading Psalms 8:8's reference to the "paths of the seas." Columbus is said to have had faith to sail beyond the supposed flat earth's horizon, having read of the "circle of the earth" in Isaiah 40:22. Of course skeptics will always stay up late at night dreaming up rebuttals to try to prop up their own rejection of God's Word in order to maintain their own bias and disbelief in it.

I'm guessing you think the 'god constant' is goddidit.

Amiright?