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Loaded quesstions are “honest” now, are they?
I'll bet you didn't think they were loaded when you were experiencing them, did you?

(Or did you experience them?)
 
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I don't consider arguments from incredulity to provoke thought, but rather I consider you've stopped trying to improve your understanding.
You may have more success being direct.

I only argue creation over evolution based (mainly) on incredulity. Everything else I use evidence or common sense.
 
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I know you think that, but the intention of your posts, is pretty transparent.

My intention is to be helpful, and I hope that is quite transparent.
 
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I only argue creation over evolution based (mainly) on incredulity. Everything else I use evidence or common sense.
Unfortunately for you, most of us here understand ToE, and aren’t as impressed with your incredulity as you are.
 
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That's my point... they're not difficult to anyone who understands ToE. You only serve to muddy the waters.

All I ask for is the mathematical odds of evolution ever happening. That shouldn't be too difficult. Haven't many scientists, among them Carl Sagan, stated that "against all odds, evolution did happen." I just want to know what those odds were.

If those odds go past the realm of possibility, then there you have it.
 
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All I ask for is the mathematical odds of evolution ever happening.
Pretty good, I'd say, since life exists, and over the last 158 years we've figured out how.
That shouldn't be too difficult.
It's not.
Haven't many scientists, among them Carl Sagan, stated that "against all odds, evolution did happen." I just want to know what those odds were.
We may never know what those odds are. We'd have to know how large our universe is, and how many planets hospitable to life evolving exist.
If those odds go past the realm of possibility, then there you have it.
It's moot to discuss the odds of something happening when we know it's happened once, already. In fact, using Bayesian inference of prior probabilities, there's a possible chance it's happened somewhere else in the universe.
 
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Haven't many scientists, among them Carl Sagan, stated that "against all odds, evolution did happen." I just want to know what those odds were.
It's hard to know what he meant without any context.

I'm curious to know where Carl Sagan said that, and/or where 'many scientists' said that. Citation?
 
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All I ask for is the mathematical odds of evolution ever happening.
QV please:

SOURCE
 
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This Harold Morowitz?

He also said this:

“Energy can create order,” Dr. Olds said, “and life, if anything, is order.”

and this:

"In 1983, he testified in McLean v. Arkansas, a case that successfully challenged a state law mandating the teaching of “creation science” in Arkansas public schools. Professor Morowitz described creation science as “somewhat deceptive” and said its proponents “play rather fast and loose with the use of the second law of thermodynamics to indicate that the natural origin of life would not be possible.”
 
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Hmmm ...

I wonder if he got a parking ticket too!

That would certainly invalidate his estimate of probability, wouldn't it!?
 
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