Time For This Challenge Again

[DogmaHunter]

That is easy, That which agrees with the Word of the God (that created all things truly scientific) is true science. That which contradicts the true word of God, is neither accurate or true science, but a counterfeit, false science.

In other words: if your beliefs don't agree with reality, then it's reality that is wrong!

uhu.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Not to worry, programs are still in place. Lot's of help for the poor. The liberal media and the activists make it seem like there is mass starvation and homelessness. We have the best cared for poor in the world.

Is that why you also have among the highest number of homeless people in the western world?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Interesting that you say "you became an atheist". God created man in such a way that he believes in God

That is demonstrably false, since people need to be taught about gods and religions before they believe them.

This is why you can always guess the religion of a person with great accuracy, simply by knowing the religion of the parents.

 

[DogmaHunter]

And what if the husband wants the child?

And what if the child would want to live?

And what if I don't want my taxes to support 'elective abortions'?

There are a LOT of things that, if given the choice, I would most definatly not want my taxmoney to be spent on...

But that's the thing about a secular democracy...
It's not just about "me, me, me" of "my beliefs, my beliefs, my beliefs".

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, I was laughing at the idea that anyone actually thinks that poor people in America are looked after.

Looking after the poor is a complicated issue. However no poor people have starved to death and very few have died of exposure for lack of shelter here (many head for warm climes in the winter, California in particular).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Is that why you also have among the highest number of homeless people in the western world?

Not surprising. We have the largest population in the western world, and more coming every day. Many third world immigrants, legal and illegal, enter and become homeless every day. None starves or dies of exposure as in Africa.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

None starves or dies of exposure as in Africa.

Better re-check, or check for the first time, the actual statistics.
Even worse, check the major causes of death, from the AMA and FDA websites.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

And what if the husband wants the child?
And what if the child would want to live?
And what if I don't want my taxes to support 'elective abortions'?

The husband should get the child.
The child should have the chance to live.
The taxes are not in our control - if people knew how they were spent, there would be a revolution beyond anything that happened in the past.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No, I was laughing at the idea that anyone actually thinks that poor people in America are looked after.

Oh, they are, they are looked after - after they die, after they starve, after they commit the crime of sleeping outside (get arrested and offered jail or fema camp),
yes, yes indeed,
the authorities often look after them.....
The churches ? They recite the story of the good samaritan,
while the poor wonder why,
and never may see him.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Better re-check, or check for the first time, the actual statistics.
Even worse, check the major causes of death, from the AMA and FDA websites.

My point is that homeless deaths are not caused by a lack of care by the community but are the result of unfortunate actions and decisions by the victims themselves. Overdosing on heroin is not the fault of the Salvation Army.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

And when John the Baptist was cast into prison and had a lapse of faith, Jesus reaffirmed it by telling John's disciples to go back and tell John ...

Luke 7:22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

Yet when Christians do the same thing today -- appeal to cause-and-effect to reaffirm Jesus' divinity --- they get scoffed at.

I can't tell if you know why or not ..... (just from this post)....
All those things Jesus did/does, are pretty much not allowed here (on the forum, in the usa, in most churches).....

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

My point is that homeless deaths are not caused by a lack of care by the community but are the result of unfortunate actions and decisions by the victims themselves.

Wrong, of course - the blame the victim mentality has never been right.
Yes, there are times a person does himself in,
but there are millions of times they are neglected by the churches, the government, and not just neglected,
but HARMED on purpose by the same who once people looked to for hope and for help

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Wrong, of course - the blame the victim mentality has never been right.
Yes, there are times a person does himself in,
but there are millions of times they are neglected by the churches, the government, and not just neglected,
but HARMED on purpose by the same who once people looked to for hope and for help

As I said in that post, the Salvation Army is not responsible for homeless deaths due to heroin overdosing. In fact the Salvation Army isn't responsible for drug addiction, which is a major cause of homelessness. At the end of day, after careful consideration and study, it is my opinion that indeed the homeless are mostly to blame for their own condition.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Not surprising. We have the largest population in the western world, and more coming every day.

I meant proportionally.
Just like in the US, you have the most gun violence proportionally.
In relative numbers. In percentages.

 

[DogmaHunter]

My point is that homeless deaths are not caused by a lack of care by the community but are the result of unfortunate actions and decisions by the victims themselves.

ow my...............

It seems like you need a serious reality check.
Newsflash: not every homeless person is a drug addict. And not every drug addict is homeless.

Just like not every Mexican immigrant is a drug dealer.

Overdosing on heroin is not the fault of the Salvation Army.

However, denying proper medical treatment because of not being able to afford expensive private insurance, IS the fault of the system.

Not having a strong enough social solidarity program to help those in need also IS a fault of the system.

But for some reason, such socialism and solidarity is seen by "US patriots" as being the root of all evil or something similar. As if it would turn the country into some kind of north korean communistic hellhole.

But honestly, that's the only reason we in Europe don't have such out-of-proportion problems with homeless people etc. Because we have much more government investments in public health care, education, social housing,... You see, we actually care about all our citizens - not just the rich.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Toss out the story Jesus tells then ? The parable of the GOOD Samaritan ?

(not related to immigration - 'the planned' overtaking of the country for over a century)

But blaming the victims at the start, even the drug overdoses are largely

'influenced' if not to blame on the pharmacy industry/ opiates today especially.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I meant proportionally.
Just like in the US, you have the most gun violence proportionally.
In relative numbers. In percentages.

We always lump our problems into one gigantic statistic and then send everyone who doesn't have the problem on a giant guilt trip. Let's have a closer look. There aren't so many homeless that we can't review them on a case by case basis.

 

[DogmaHunter]

As I said in that post, the Salvation Army is not responsible for homeless deaths due to heroin overdosing. In fact the Salvation Army isn't responsible for drug addiction, which is a major cause of homelessness. At the end of day, after careful consideration and study, it is my opinion that indeed the homeless are mostly to blame for their own condition.

Even if that were true (it is not, by the way).... it sounds like you are using that as an excuse to then just abbandon them and let them die in the gutter.

 

[AV1611VET]

I can't tell if you know why or not ..... (just from this post)....
All those things Jesus did/does, are pretty much not allowed here (on the forum, in the usa, in most churches).....

What?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There aren't so many homeless that we can't review them on a case by case basis

In many mid-sized city there are 1200 to 5500 homeless men, women and children;
some 'forced' by circumstances to 'crowd' in together with someone willing to let them stay under their roof for a time.....